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So...
I like the way the plot's moving forward, glad Bryan Fuller is back. I'm just overall feeling a good vibe about the rest of this season. How about you all? Dracomaster4 22:07, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Agree. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
How did Sylar move so fast?
When he went from the backseat of Danko's car to the rooftop he did that alot faster than his current list of abilities indicate. --Snow Leapord 22:31, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I'm guessing that's part of telekinesis, but I agree, it does seem rather rapid. Dracomaster4 22:32, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Well the next appearance of Sylar after the car incident happened after a fade out--obviously indicating the start of a new scene. --Formless 22:35, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- He's done it before with telekinesis. I believe it was One Giant Leap. But my gut feeling says that it was just for dramatic effect... they weren't implying or discouraging the theory that he has a new power of some sort. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 22:36, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- He can use telekinesis on himself? Wouldn't that be overlapping with levitation and flying? --Formless 22:39, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Well, it's unconfirmed.....perhaps something to go on the ability homology page, though? --Crazylicious 22:42, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Yeah, he's implied many times he can make himself hover. I doubt its as sophisticated as levitation, but he's been able to do a bunch of impressive things seemingly thanks to telekinesis, including resist gunfire and avoid making footsteps. --PeterDawson 22:44, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- In response to the "overlapping" to bring in examples from... Jean Gray, Telekinesis is a VERY powerful and versatile ability that can be used for many things... such as flight. Pyrotics 22:46, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- No way, this was entirely to quick to be TK...in One Giant Leap i can understand that he could use it to propel himself upward away from Parkamn, but there wasn't even a car door close...it has to be something new...(unless Sylar is now using his TK to disassemble his molecules only to resturcture them on top of the building...but that'd be to complicated)--Anthony Gooch 23:06, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- No more complicated imo than supercharging super speed to travel through time. --Snow Leapord 23:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- lol, well unless Tim confirms that a TK user can disassemble their molecular structure...i doubt it--Anthony Gooch 23:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- No more complicated imo than supercharging super speed to travel through time. --Snow Leapord 23:10, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- No way, this was entirely to quick to be TK...in One Giant Leap i can understand that he could use it to propel himself upward away from Parkamn, but there wasn't even a car door close...it has to be something new...(unless Sylar is now using his TK to disassemble his molecules only to resturcture them on top of the building...but that'd be to complicated)--Anthony Gooch 23:06, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- He can use telekinesis on himself? Wouldn't that be overlapping with levitation and flying? --Formless 22:39, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I'm placing a bet on Danko having some sort of vision instead of Sylar actually getting in the car.--Ikkian 23:12, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Are you thinking that Sylar may have a new mental ability?--Anthony Gooch 23:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- My thought was that maybe he somehow got to Rachel Mills. I'm sure that this thought will be dismissed through the iStory. --TitanOT 23:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I'm thinking this was supposed to be TK, and that the shortened timespan was due to editing.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:22, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^ This --Action Figure 23:33, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I'm just gonna count it as one of Sylar's many inexplainable feats....lol btw, Check this out!--Anthony Gooch 23:30, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- My thought was that maybe he somehow got to Rachel Mills. I'm sure that this thought will be dismissed through the iStory. --TitanOT 23:17, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Are you thinking that Sylar may have a new mental ability?--Anthony Gooch 23:16, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I posed this question to BTE - we'll see if they answer it next week... --Jrrenola 09:52, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I described this incident in the Notes section, which seems to be the best place, since we don't yet know what really happened. --Ted C 10:14, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- TK? Surely not, i mean he didnt even make a sound getting out of the car, and then propells himself through the air? thats a tad ubsurd, my guess is that it is some other ability he aquired off-screen, similar to teleportation or illusion maybe --Lolwut 13:45, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Shape Shifting acquisition
Did Sylar do so through empathy like he did with Elle?
When Sylar heard/saw that James Martin was shot he acted as if he was scarred that James was dead. This implies that he can't acquire abilities if they are already passed on, but when he removes top of their skull removed that kills them before he can examine the brain. Claire would be an exception due to her ability. So why would he be scarred if James is dead? --Snow Leapord 23:21, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I think Sylar did TK the guy to get to the guy's brain, but then he used another ability to heal the wound (regenerating it with his own blood would be my guess).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:25, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- I think he removed the brain through the mouth or something similar so he didn't make the head wound.--WarGrowlmon18 23:27, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^ This. Just like with Robert Keep in the deleted scenes, to get impenetrable skin. --Action Figure 23:34, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
- Did anyone else figure out that the guy had shape shifting before it was revealed? Because I did, I suspected when the guy vomited, I don't know why but that seemed really odd that this trained person would puke. But it was confirmed (for me) when the guy started talking about how Danko's speech was inspirational, almost in a sly taunting way. And I kept saying "he's a shape-shifter" all up to when Danko opened the box. Of course if there was any spoilers, then perhaps it was a sub conscious thing (though I try to stay away from them). So I'd like to think I knew because I'm intelligent rather than a hidden memory that slightly surfaced then and there. Dman dustin 00:22, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^ I lol'd. I would agree with the brain-through-the-face possibilty, worked with robert keep. --Lolwut 13:43, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Dustin, just no, because you had some sort of "theory" doesn't make you intelligent. --Arkillion 14:14, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- So I guess that makes Detectives stupid, right. Wow, I'm relieved and here I thought you had to be intelligent to be a detective. --Dman dustin 16:53, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Dustin, just no, because you had some sort of "theory" doesn't make you intelligent. --Arkillion 14:14, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^ I lol'd. I would agree with the brain-through-the-face possibilty, worked with robert keep. --Lolwut 13:43, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Obvious reference to se7en
Did anyone else notice? --Acolyt3 02:46, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Yeah i lol'd when Danko said "what's in the box"...i thought, no! the writes wouldn't take a page from seven...they just want us to think that there is gonna be a head in that box...and then it was, and i was like "Ha!"
Sylar's Rapid Cell Regeneration?
What did Sylar say about RCR? That he needs something (a knife) to be stuck in his head and a bullet to the brain to die? I thought only a bullet to the brain was needed to kill someone with RCR... Arthur died after being shot and he never had an obstruction in his head.. --Peter 07:33, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- He said that the spot needed to be hit was microscopic and Danko said he was a good shot. I think sticking something there afterwards was just to make sure. I think the bullet destroyed that particular spot of Arthur's brain as it went all the way through so there was no need to stick something in.--WarGrowlmon18 11:27, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Clarie's drinking game
Okay, so this really bugged me while I was watching. How is it Claire doesn't get drunk but Adam Monroe can be the town drunk? --Markistoopimp 11:29, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- That was before he developed his power. He seemed to get it after that eclipse in the past given how shocked he was by his healing. I didn't really see him get drunk after that.--WarGrowlmon18 11:35, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Adam took Hiro to a bar for a 'mean martini' or something which probably shows the liver could be damaged over time? Or he just likes the taste, meh. --Arkillion 14:14, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I don't have any problem with how the scenes turned out, however when Claire made the comment about the tissue regeneration working on her liver, too, I replied in a snarky way, "That's not how intoxication works." :) I suppose a good question is how they drugged Claire when transporting her earlier in the volume when at a high level drugs like those function in the same way as alcohol (interfering with the normal neurochemical transmission and reception). I think a wizard did it. (Admin 18:28, 31 March 2009 (EDT))
Sypnosis, anyone?
Hey is anyone working on a sypnosis or should I? TracyStraussFan 17:57, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Knock yourself out. Anyone can edit. :) Hopwas2007 18:11, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I started yesterday very late night... in a very sleepy mood ...I continued until sleep overcame me. So, now it's morning and though I would like to continue editing, I've got to go to school. --Janrodrigo 00:26, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
New actors/characters
Love the Music
Not quite sure when the decision to add all this great classic rock music to Heroes was made, but i couldn't be happier about it. Love how its used, love that its not played out crap that you hear on every commercial nowadays. I mean Steppenwolf, Fleetwood Mac, and now the Animals, couldnt be better. Anyone else get the reference that the two most animalistic people of this volume are listening to an Animals song? Anyway, keep up the good work, cant wait til Sylars walking down the road to Drivers Seat by Sniff and the Tears, or Spill the Wine by War. And just because....I was born and have lived in West Baltimore my whole life, and Sylar cannot do a decent West Baltimore accent, that was more like West Texas or West Virginia, but its a delicate bastardization of the English language to master. --HandsOffMyPeter 19:33, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
crap
IceGhost78 i believe this is so far the worst episode of volume 4, sylar was out of character, and it feels like every episode has the same crap coming from claire "how could you do (something)? there's always a choice! *crying*." Peter and angela was the only good thing, this episode was very bad bad writing music is being overused, that "to be continued thing" just seemed out of place, and as someone mentioned the writer stole a story from a show with a head being in the box
- I thought it was a great episode. It wasn't really terribly exciting, but I think they got some much needed character development out of the way in this episode. I rather liked it. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 20:52, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^i concur with TM--Anthony Gooch 20:59, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I agree with IceGhost. This episode was terrible and the writing was unoriginal and not very well thought out. Even for a television show where the watcher is supposed to suspend belief; it did a terrible job explaining why the shape-shifter would decide to simply take over somebody's life (the guy who shook hands with Danko) and actually go to his work and unnecessarily risk his life by shaking hands with Danko. Then he would just pretend life is fine and go back to the bar he seems to go every night ...AS THE MAN WHO IS HUNTING HIM. Then, to top it off, the shape-shifter decides to copy some guy, Sylar, and actually walk out of the bar with Danko thinking everything would be fine. Don't get me started on how he probably never met Sylar and he has no idea what he sounds like or how he talks. I was willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt by waiting until the Graphic Novel came out because it may try to elaborate but it didn't. In fact, I feel the graphic novel was a waste of time because it decided to be clever and give a touching back-story to how the agents were killed. Plus, why would Danko actually allow Sylar to have such a powerful power just so his men could get a 'win'. I'll just have to wait and see what happens from here; I'm sure Danko has a few surprises of his own. --Halfxwitted 21:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Sorry, I think this was a terrific episode. It was well paced, had some great action and suspense, and introduced a really cool new power. I thought the acting was great. As with some of the best Heroes episodes, it balanced action and drama. The stories were clear, and I was really caught up by the characters. I'd gladly take more episodes like this one. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I disagree with the pacing. I've only seen it once but I felt that everything seemed to move too slowly with Claire/Nathan and Peter/Angela. Even some of the Sylar/Danko scenes/conversations seemed unnecessarily long. Most scenes felt as if they should have just been condensed. And no disrespect but I laughed when I read "and introduced a really cool new power" because the power was barely introduced. It just randomly showed up and was taken a few scenes later by Sylar. There was no back-story given and no explanation as to why the shape-shifter acted the way he did which I chalk up to lazy writing. I also feel cheated as a fan when I couldn't figure out how Sylar 'teleported' in/out of the car and how he took the power without ripping open his skull. If the writers are just going to do whatever they want and then use excuses like "we tried to explain it but it was cut" then they are going to keep losing fans. It's only a matter of time before the hardcore fans such as myself say "enough is enough". --Halfxwitted 23:53, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Sorry, I think this was a terrific episode. It was well paced, had some great action and suspense, and introduced a really cool new power. I thought the acting was great. As with some of the best Heroes episodes, it balanced action and drama. The stories were clear, and I was really caught up by the characters. I'd gladly take more episodes like this one. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- I agree with IceGhost. This episode was terrible and the writing was unoriginal and not very well thought out. Even for a television show where the watcher is supposed to suspend belief; it did a terrible job explaining why the shape-shifter would decide to simply take over somebody's life (the guy who shook hands with Danko) and actually go to his work and unnecessarily risk his life by shaking hands with Danko. Then he would just pretend life is fine and go back to the bar he seems to go every night ...AS THE MAN WHO IS HUNTING HIM. Then, to top it off, the shape-shifter decides to copy some guy, Sylar, and actually walk out of the bar with Danko thinking everything would be fine. Don't get me started on how he probably never met Sylar and he has no idea what he sounds like or how he talks. I was willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt by waiting until the Graphic Novel came out because it may try to elaborate but it didn't. In fact, I feel the graphic novel was a waste of time because it decided to be clever and give a touching back-story to how the agents were killed. Plus, why would Danko actually allow Sylar to have such a powerful power just so his men could get a 'win'. I'll just have to wait and see what happens from here; I'm sure Danko has a few surprises of his own. --Halfxwitted 21:48, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- ^i concur with TM--Anthony Gooch 20:59, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
Shape-shifter keeping his form?
I am curious as to how the shape-shifter still kept his Sylar form when he was killed. Remembering back to the whole Candice incident; she turned back to normal once Sylar killed her. Why would this be any different?--Halfxwitted 23:56, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
- Candice wasn't a Shape shifter. She was an illusionist. What she made you see wasn't real. What Martin made you see was in fact his body transformed.--Riddler 00:01, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
- I just am under the impression that the brain controls the ability and once the brain has been damaged (or in this case, a knife into the back of it) then the ability stops working. Remember when Peter turned invisible in season 1 and was stabbed in the back of the head with glass, he turn un-invisible. This may closer resemble the circumstances as opposed to the Candice one. --Halfxwitted 00:41, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
- Well i thought of it like this....for his body to change it needs the ability, once he died his body no longer could use this ability, once his body could no longer use the ability it couldn't change back....it's like crossing back and forth on a bridge, then one day your bridge falls...well, now you're stuck...lol, did this make any sense?--Anthony Gooch 00:56, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
- Hmm. Yea, it makes sense. And actually, it probably is the best answer. But if that's the case then the question becomes why did Peter transform from invisible to visible when it happened to him?.--Halfxwitted 01:04, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
- I think it's great that they gave us this little nugget of information. Candice's ability and Peter's ability are not the models for James Martin's ability. When he shapeshifts, it stays until he wills it to change. Even in death, he remains looking like the person he was when he died. He doesn't revert. Very cool. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:05, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
- I just am under the impression that the brain controls the ability and once the brain has been damaged (or in this case, a knife into the back of it) then the ability stops working. Remember when Peter turned invisible in season 1 and was stabbed in the back of the head with glass, he turn un-invisible. This may closer resemble the circumstances as opposed to the Candice one. --Halfxwitted 00:41, 1 April 2009 (EDT)
Has anyone?
Got a link to a working video of this episode? I can't use NBC or Hulu though. If anyone can help, thanks.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 00:23, 1 April 2009 (EDT)