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* Ok, I added levitation... does anyone mind if I list [[electronic data transception]] since Hana and Drucker are related and both had the ability?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:08, 5 February 2008 (EST)
* Ok, I added levitation... does anyone mind if I list [[electronic data transception]] since Hana and Drucker are related and both had the ability?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:08, 5 February 2008 (EST)
**Makes sense. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:17, 5 February 2008 (EST)
**Makes sense. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:17, 5 February 2008 (EST)
== Synthetic evolved humans ==
With the concept of synthetic abilities, how exactly should humans who got their abilities with the formula be considered in this page? If they have children who have abilities on their own without the formula, they should be noticed, but if they got if from the formula while having a parent with abilities, should they be noted? Nathan is Angela's son, he has a synthetic ability, so it's not really an example of heredity, but Micah is the son of a mother with a synthetic ability and a father with a natural ability (as far as we know). Everyone getting my point? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 17:16, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Revision as of 16:16, 18 October 2008

This article needs some help. First, it's nowhere near standard format, and has no category (nor does it fit well in any of the existing ones). Second, it should, following naming conventions, be "Second generation heroes". Third, we try to avoid using the word "Heroes" to describe people from the show because it's loaded, morally speaking.

I would suggest we make it into "List of second generation evolved humans", put it in Category:Lists, and expand it to include a list of ID'd second gens. Thoughts?--Hardvice (talk) 01:43, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Feel free to change it. I didn't know how exactly to format it and was at a loss for a synonym for people with powers. I was just trying to get the thought out due to the revelation of Janice Parkman's pregnancy and the impact that may have on a new generation of evolved humans. Sorry about that!! Disney42 01:46, 30 January 2007 (EST)

  • No problem. It's a great idea for an article (especially since Claire and Micah are confirmed second gen evolved humans). It just needs some work, and it's probably best to solicit some ideas for how to clean it up, so I thought I'd ask.--Hardvice (talk) 01:48, 30 January 2007 (EST)
  • Molly Walker was also a Second Generation metahuman.--Yoshie (talk) 10:33, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • I would be very careful about purporting that just because somebody is the child of an evolved human, that they are evolved themselves. The term "evolved" denotes that the change has already taken place — we have been using the definition that they have already exhibited powers. It's fine to mention Molly or the Petrelli boys as kids of an evolved human, but I would just caution against making the jump between 2nd generation and evolved. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2007 (EST)
      • True. According to genetics, only 50% of the children of a metahuman will be metahuman. The other 50% will be carriers but not exhibit any abilities. In Molly's case though, we know her to have been a metahuman because of how badly Sylar wanted her - persuing her all the way to the hospital and nearly getting himself killed in the process. --Yoshie (talk) 11:36, 30 January 2007 (EST)
        • While it's almosty certainly the case, it's not confirmed. She hasn't been shown on the list, she hasn't been shown on the map, and she hasn't shown any powers. All we know is Sylar wanted her ... we don't even know why, though it's almost certainly because she has powers. But then, why not just kill her in the FBI Headquarters? A brain is easier to take with you than a struggling child. It's possible he took the whole child because he needed the whole child, and therefore had another reason for taking her. Too little is known at this time to say with any certainty that she is or isn't evolved.--Hardvice (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2007 (EST)
        • Where does this word "metahuman" come from? I'm not sure it's the best word. Is this the normal usage for it?--E rowe 11:46, 30 January 2007 (EST)
          • "Metahuman" is the word DC Comics has used to describe their "super humans" for quite a while. According to Wikipedia: a "metahuman" is any human being with what are commonly described as "super powers". The justification for this alternate phrase is that "super" implies a value judgment—is super-strength somehow "better" than normal strength? Moreover, it implies that the ability is an enhanced version of a normal human ability—by which definition, telekinesis (for example), which is not possessed by normal humans, is not a superpower. These powers are referred to as metahuman abilities. The more common term for meta human is superhuman. :) You decide. --Yoshie 12:43, 30 January 2007 (EST)
        • I agree Molly is most likely an evolved human. Still not confirmed. I believe she is, but there's absolutely no proof. Maybe Sylar was going after her because he believed she might be (50% chance, right?), or because she, um, well, witnessed him murdering her parents? ... It's also poor genetics to say that a child has a 50% chance of taking on a parent's traits. If it's a recessive gene, it's only 25%. And we don't know that this is a "gene" that is hereditary.... These are great theories, but none are validated. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:07, 30 January 2007 (EST)
  • I've got a strong hunch that Peter and Nathan are second generation. But that's still just a hunch. I think there was a clue or two, but nothing that warrants putting it anywhere besides the theories section. Interesting point a bout Molly.--E rowe 11:44, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • Which could prove interesting if Nathan turns out to be Claire's birth father, as it would make her a 3rd generation.--Yoshie 12:50, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Article title

My suggestion would be "Power heredity" or something similar. --Ted C 10:25, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Much better title - good job. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:32, 30 January 2007 (EST)
Yes, many thanks! I just had a mind freeze when trying to name the article. Sorry again!! Disney42 20:54, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Lead Image

A lead image here would be great so we can add this to the portal. Any ideas? Here are a few I can think of, none of which really fit that well:

  • A shot of DL, Micah, and Niki (probably from Fallout or Six Months Ago)
  • A shot of Claire and Meredith on the phone (The Fix)
  • Something genetic. (A Mendel box with Niki, DL, and Micah is probably too cheesy, huh?)--Hardvice (talk) 16:22, 30 January 2007 (EST)
    • Oh, if only somebody could photoshop the three using their powers together. It would be such an Incredibles moment. .... Just the 3 of them - I think there's a shot of the fam in Fallout, after Jessica/DL's fight, & before NIki turns herself in. But maybe there are better ones? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:10, 30 January 2007 (EST)
  • This is going to sound corny, but how about the RNA symbol since RNA has to do with genetics, which in turn has to do with heredity? Disney42 20:56, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Reformatting

I've attempted to merge random notes that had been added to the bottom of this article into the prose of the article itself, based on the organization structure that already existed in the article. I'm not sure if that makes it easier to read or more convoluted, but the notes were good examples of what the rest of the article tried to convey so they belonged together. If anyone disagrees with my attempts to salvage the page please feel free to do something better with it. - ZachsMind 21:40, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

  • That's all well and good, and it looks great, but information from interviews should not be included within the body of an article because interviews are not canon sources. See Help:Sources and Help:Perspective.--Hardvice (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
  • I don't know why the page was in need of salvaging in the first place since it generally seemed fine to me (though I hadn't read through it for a few weeks, I'm sure). I haven't read through all the changes and don't care to at the moment (no offense meant, I'm just not in the mood). However, any theorizing on this page, particularly about one Hispanic being possibly related to another Hispanic, should be removed completely. I appreciate the removal of any possibly racist remarks, of course--but the issue is that the page should be reporting what actually occurs on the show and how heredity really works, not how it could work, should work, or might work. Bottom line, if we don't know they're related, we should guess about it, and certainly shouldn't extend theoretical thinking to generate more speculation. It looks like the theory in sheep's clothing was removed. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:52, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Yeah, I rewrote that particular section before realizing that it was, no matter how worded, entirely a theory. Someone just beat me to the punch in deleting it. -- Paronine 22:16, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Reading through it, it looks OK, apart from a few perspective and person problems. I'm also not sure what was wrong with the old one, but it does read more smoothly.--Hardvice (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I cleaned up the perspective, moved the interview comments back to Notes (it's not a canon source and breaks perspective). I also removed the note about Niki and Hal because it's not relevant to power heredity--obviously non-evolved parents can have evolved children (that's why they're evolved), so power heredity does not mean that all evolved humans have evolved parents (otherwise, ultimately, Adam & Eve/Lucy Leakey would be evolved humans, right?). Some parts of the article still seem a bit speculative. I'll give it another pass when my cat's not trying to walk on the keyboard.--Hardvice (talk) 23:34, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
      • I also removed a ton of items from the "Examples of inheritance". Being the child of a member of the group of twelve is not an "example of inheritance" because the group isn't confirmed to be all evolved humans. Nothing is known about Elle's father, so she doesn't belong on a list of "examples of inheritance". If the section is retitled, some of these can be added back (Nathan and Peter are evolved siblings, but siblings don't inherit anything from one another because they aren't descended from one another).--Hardvice (talk) 23:43, 26 October 2007 (EDT)

Levitation

It should be noted somewhere that levitation is, along with telepathy, the only power to be passed along a family line. I would do it, but I'm in a hurry right now. --Hero!(talk)(contribs) 18:15, 5 February 2008 (EST)

Synthetic evolved humans

With the concept of synthetic abilities, how exactly should humans who got their abilities with the formula be considered in this page? If they have children who have abilities on their own without the formula, they should be noticed, but if they got if from the formula while having a parent with abilities, should they be noted? Nathan is Angela's son, he has a synthetic ability, so it's not really an example of heredity, but Micah is the son of a mother with a synthetic ability and a father with a natural ability (as far as we know). Everyone getting my point? Intuitive Empath 17:16, 18 October 2008 (EDT)