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***Well, I like the ability but I dont like Peter having this ability.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 18:25, 9 February 2010 (EST)
***Well, I like the ability but I dont like Peter having this ability.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 18:25, 9 February 2010 (EST)
****I prefer this ability to Peter's old one by far. Empathic Mimicry is an entirely overpowered ability that always turns the wielder into a living god. The only question is how long this process will take. I never want to see such a character darken my TV screen again, which puts me in direct opposition to most fans who seemed to love the fact that Peter could slap anyone except Sylar around without trouble. This power, by contrast, has done wonders for Peter's character as he's been forced to use his head more, and has no danger of making the wielder too strong. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 18:32, 9 February 2010 (EST)
****I prefer this ability to Peter's old one by far. Empathic Mimicry is an entirely overpowered ability that always turns the wielder into a living god. The only question is how long this process will take. I never want to see such a character darken my TV screen again, which puts me in direct opposition to most fans who seemed to love the fact that Peter could slap anyone except Sylar around without trouble. This power, by contrast, has done wonders for Peter's character as he's been forced to use his head more, and has no danger of making the wielder too strong. [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 18:32, 9 February 2010 (EST)
*I actually do like this power as it forces him to think tactically, he can't just walk in and dominate (like another [[Sylar|certain someone]]). However, I think he should get some type of limited EM back, where he has to know the person for a good amount of time, rather then a few seconds before he begins to use their power. Heck, I'd even take a lame explanation like "When Nathan died, Peter's heart was permanently broken, and he'll never make such quick empathic connections again. ''Ever''."--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 19:20, 9 February 2010 (EST)

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine ability replication's name.
Peter replicates the abilities of others.
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Peter's Empathy?

Did it seem like peter connected with samuel, or am I crazy?Fourletterfame 10:30, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Peter replicating from Emma

It wasn't quite clear when he did it, it was either when he saved her from that bus or when he kept grabbing her on the sidewalk. They seem to have discared the sound effects and visual effects associated with this ability this season.--WarGrowlmon18 13:01, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

    • I'm positive I heard a sound effect when he kept pestering her on the sidewalk to see if she was ok.Gamerelite1 14:47, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Rewatched episode, there was no sound but they zoomed in on his hands touching her sidearm, so that was the point where he took her ability -- (WaterRatj) 08:15, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Special Effects

The special effects used to be yellow or gold-ish, but when Peter took Hiro's ability, it was a blue type effect. --mc_hammark 07:54, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Ability special effects have been changed in the past, most glaring example being Candice's illusions. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:54, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • When did Candice's special effects change? --mc_hammark 15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Near the end of season one, the first effect was a ripple one that happened both on her and her surroundings, but they changed it to this morph effect with a bright light, it was sucky compared to the first one. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:44, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Lost Control

Anyone else starting to think Peter can't control this ability, like when he touched Emma he accidentally replicated her power. It could explainwhy he didn't just teleport Jeremy. --Fr0z3nB0nes 17:54, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Most accepted theory is that he replicated it because he could connect with her, kinda like an echo of his original ability. He's still limited to touch, but he doesn't need to actively replicate the ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:59, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Although we do have to question why he didn't just teleport him to heal hiro. Some of you may say it would have impacted on Noah's storyline about helping Jeremy but he could have just as easily recruited him to his new company. I'm sure he could have found him a home and a healer would be useful to the company. BTW, doesn't Jeremy's hair kinda make him look like a young linderman.... and the same power(ish) too. Ability heredity anyone? --mc_hammark 18:14, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I thought that myself, someone said in the episode's talk page that Jeremy might kill Peter because he was too nervous, but I don't think that would happen, Jeremy saw that he could heal, and Noah touched him without being killed (though he touched Jeremy's shirt, not his actual skin). Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Because if peter teleported jeremy, then the plot line of hiro dying would be over.Gamerelite1 15:29, 22 October 2009 (EDT)


Shouldn't we have an examples page now? I noticed there are 12 images there now, instead of the usual 8 we have for ability pages.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 20:28, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

Aura absorption

Many fans think Peter's ability will evolve into Arthur's. Why not into Linda's? Physical contact, the glow, the source loses its power... Thoughts? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • And take people's auras and lives along with it? I don't think he'd do that. Plus, Linda kinda had a hunger herself. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:48, 1 November 2009 (EST)
    • Personally I wouldn't like Peter become like Arthur or Linda, it's the fans' obsession with Peter's power development what interests me. Green.gif AltesUTC CH


Shouldn't Draph be added to the list of users of this ability?--Spexile 17:08, 3 November 2009 (EST)

  • Hellno--Yoshi n1 17:07, 3 November 2009 (EST)
    • Actually, he needs to be. He was in the istory. Although his limits are different to Peter's. I'd wait for the creator to explain it. He is on the wiki. --mc_hammark 17:09, 3 November 2009 (EST)
      • Its just not like, fair. There is a whole story how peter got this ability and then some Draph guy comes and he just seems to haves this ability? --Yoshi n1 17:21, 3 November 2009 (EST)
        • Well, he was originally created on Survival, so odds are, the creator just copied Peter's ability. By the way, don't forget your signature.--Spexile 17:17, 3 November 2009 (EST)
          • Chances are there are many people out there with abilities like this. If you get annoyed because characters come in and have the same ability as other characters we've been following then you'll end up hating a lot of the characters. --mc_hammark 17:18, 3 November 2009 (EST)
            • Yeah i know it was bullshit. But Draph gots an Assignment Tracker file and why isnt he in the page for all the people who have an assignment tracker case? --Yoshi n1 17:21, 3 November 2009 (EST)
              • That doesn't really count. All that counts is what the producers and that choose to show. It's like if Milo Ventimiglia chose to use Hiro Nakamura as a character in his comics. It wouldn't be cannon in the real world. That assignment tracker is fan made and doesn't count unless they add it to the assignment tracker page. --mc_hammark 17:22, 3 November 2009 (EST)
                • How could it be fanmade? this was on the heroes : survival site "If a member of HeroesWiki: Go to User:draphoenix to see the assignment tracker of Senna" And lets first start with making Claircognizance,Phoenix Mimicry ,Energy Manipulation and Telephasing AND BTW.. SYLAR GOT CLAIRCOGNIZANCE?? its on the assignment tracker file--Yoshi n1 17:27, 3 November 2009 (EST)
  • It's fan made, it cant be taken as cannon - Jenx222 | U / T / C 17:31, 3 November 2009 (EST)
    • Im sorry but i don't really get it, if its on the Heroes survival OFFICIAL site how could it be a fan made?
      • Heroes:Survival is an on-line game where you make your own characters up, it doesn't mean they are part of the actual heroes storyline, also the assignment tracker is on the wiki not the official site, it was made by a fan as was the character - Jenx222 | U / T / C 17:53, 3 November 2009 (EST)
        • Did this guy actually appear in the iStory, or is he just a character on Heroes: Survivial? If he hasn't appeared in an iStory chapter yet, then he doesn't need a mainspace page. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 17:56, 3 November 2009 (EST)
          • But, if the character is used by the iStory writers, they sort of become canon, despite being fan-created. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:58, 3 November 2009 (EST)
            • Okay, so I guess he does appear. I don't read the iStory (I hate it personally. It just creates useless characters and powers) so I didn't know. I don't think we should create all of the powers he has unless we see him use them. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:00, 3 November 2009 (EST)
              • Just checked it, he does actually appear, but I don't think we should create pages for all those abilities yet, they seem a little "out there", it's this sort of stuff that ruins heroes for me - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:06, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Oh $@#&! THAT I never expected: some random guy appears with the same ability as Peter, who acquired it under very special circumstances. Meh... Didn't Draph absorb this ability from his brother? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Special in-uterus circumstance it seems, but it wasn't acquired, it was given, it appears. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:33, 4 November 2009 (EST)
    • And what's the difference? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • So far, all we've seen is abilities being duplicated without the holder losing them, or else the ability being stolen against one's wishes. From what I could tell, in this case, the holder of the ability willingly passed on the ability to another person. I'm not 100% sure that's what happened, but it seems to be. For more info, you should ask the guy who made the character. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:55, 4 November 2009 (EST)
        • But we at least should add that Draph's brother also had this ability before he died, and Draph didn't initially have it. Right? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • Fine by me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:28, 4 November 2009 (EST)
            • Draph's Ability Replication is just as different from Peter's as Knox's strength is different from Niki's and Ando's ability is different from that Hawkins. Ability Replication was a source of guilt and pain for Draph. So, similar to others, he goes through his personal demons so he doesn't become overpowered. Moreover, there are other mimics out there in the heroes canon universe. Claude is disheartened that Peter was an empath. He knew of others and so did others. AS for ripping off peter, his Matt Parkman rip of Prof X? Well, yea. Thing is, almost nothing in this archtype is origonal anymore. And if it is origonal, people hate it for taking that leaps, look at Enhanced Synthesiza. Draphoenix 10:52, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  • Sorry but, what the hell ? So what, holding MORE THAN ONE POWER makes the thing a totally different power ! I mean, it's just another ability that can mimic, but since Peter was supposed to be THE hero and will be stuck with the crappy "one ability at a time" power, I don't think it's fair to put Draph there, saying it's more advanced ! Peter is not "not advanced", he just can't do more with it. (Because they already don't know how to handle him with one power, and because the budget was cut severely) It changes the whole concept of the power. Robert Forster said he could take powers away if he was willing to, implying he could let people with it. So it's as close as power absorption then ability replication. I mean, come on, now, that just makes Peter seem even more lame, as if it was possible. There is enough Sylar to remember us Peter is not as powerful as he should be, but if some random guy involved in a crappy story got the same ability, only mastering it 100 times better, that just makes Peter the weakest hero ever... I'm personally against. Till it is not proven Peter's power can hold several powers (mastered or not), I don't think they should be considered as being the same power. And, Draph's one looks pretty passive. So what, he just copy people passively and storing all the abilities ? It's closer to empathic mimicry then ! I mean, create another ability which involves mimicry but I don't think it's fair to give him Peter's new one. And what the hell is that story anyway, with all those powers taking away and stuff... >_< Please, don't do that to Peter, he doesn't deserve that. As far as "empaths" are few in the Heroes universe, we haven't seen much of them, apart from Peter and Sylar's papas. An probably won't, ever, since even only two was already too much for the shown and Peter is the lamest empath ever, so I think they'll stick to Sylar... And that : "According to Draph's Heroes Survival Account, Draph can hold on to a maximum of five abilities. A hindering factor of Draph's ability is that each of the five abilities must have a different elemental attribute given to them. "

How can this be considered as Ability replication ? I mean now it has to be 5 different elemental powers, and only 5 ?! They'll never do that on the show, come on, it's not Peter's power... Moreover, it has been hinted (while not confirmed) that all those mimics/empaths have the same core ability, that they access in different ways, according to their personality (before Peter's injection with the formula). So whatever happens, Draph CAN'T have Peter's power, since we have "power absorption" "empathic mimicry" etc..., they are considered as different powers, matching their owners. Draph must have his own mimic ability (let's not even talk about the elemental limit huh ?).

            • Its Ability replication because it is the same type of acquisition, touching. Not aura, not full absorption, not understanding their ability. Draphoenix 22:30, 10 November 2009 (EST)

Really empathic mimicry?

  • I'm not suggesting this be published as fact right now, but there have been hints that this ability is really just empathic mimicry (eg - Edgar claiming he has met "an empath"). We know that abiities change over time, and while they usually expand, there is no real reason why they couldn't be limited instead by this "evolution." I accept that (since we have Arthur (even though he's a liar) telling Peter he lost his power for good and the way in which Peter reobtained an ability (the serum)), we have to assume it's a new ability for now, but I really think they are moving toward it being the same ability he has always had (and have left hints to that effect). Of course, it's been a little while since I've seen the previous seasons, so I might be forgetting something, but until someone can come up with/remind me of something that proves this cannot be EM, I'm sticking to my guns.  ;) --Stevehim 12:25, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • Nothing suggests an ability can evolve in a way that restricts its effects. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:33, 13 November 2009 (EST)
      • I think what he means is that Ability Replication could evolve into Empathic mimicry, a topic that has been debated to death already -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 12:59, 13 November 2009 (EST)
        • Nothing suggests an ability absolutely cannot evolve in a way that restricts its effects either, and ability evolution and how it works is far from clear. And I disagree that that "nothing suggests" an ability cannot be restricted via evolution. Off the top of my head (obviously, you can launch counterarguments to all of these points, but I do think that all of them together certainly at least suggests that an ability may be able to be limited as it evolves):
          1. One could make the argument that Maya's control over her power was part of it's evolution, and thus it was a direct restriction of the effects of said ability.
          2. Also, one could make an argument for Jeremy's ability doing this, depending on perspective. On the one hand, one could say his ability evolved to include giving AND taking life. On the other, one could argue it was restricted during the period when he could no longer heal things (likely due to his deteriorating mental state) but only kill them.
          3. We have also seen characters able to use their abilities and then unable to (often due to mental blocks and the such), even though they still retained their power, and so that could be argued to be part of the abilities evolution (ie - the person needs to adapt to having the ability to use it).
          4. We also have Tracy, who can apparently no longer use the solid form (ice) of her ability, though it is debatable whether or not water trumps ice  ;).
          5. Finally, we have Hiro and Arnold, both of whom have had their abilities limited over time with no outside catalyst (like the formula).
          • I was actually suggesting it wasn't ability replication at all, and that a remnant of Peter's ability remained even beyond Arthur's absorption of it, and has re-manifested (due to the formula) in a currently restricted way (it seems pretty convenient that he'd gain such a similar ability, even going with the whole idea of a genetic makeup being predisposed toward a certain ability). It has indeed been debated to death, but, afaik, not since new info (ie - Peter being directly called an 'empath,' albeit from a poor source) has come to light. In any case, I was just putting this here now in case we get more definitive evidence that it is the same as his original power (and that the formula just "got it going again"), and am still not suggesting we reopen the official debate or change anything on the site. --Stevehim 01:02, 15 November 2009 (EST)
            • In my opinion, Edgar calling Peter an "Empath" was probably just due to the nature of replicating abilities. It's possible that Peter (other than useless Draph) is the first and only example of this particular tactile mimicry, and Edgar simply assumed that he had empathic mimicry. Being associated with the carnival, and a wide variety of different abilities, not to mention the current theory that Joseph himself was a mimic, Edgar probably recognized the effects of that ability from previous experience, and recounted it to Samuel as Empathic Mimicry. I could be mistaken, but it's really the only conclusion that makes sense. In essence Peter is still a mimic, it's only the method that's changed. Assuming that it's a unique ability, to an observer unfamiliar with it, it would look, just like empathic mimicry. Fourletterfame 01:26, 15 November 2009 (EST)
              • Maya getting more control over her ability is an evolution, but not a restrictive form. She has more control, but she was still able to affect everyone in her range, she didn't lose that ability when she gained control. Jeremy being able to kill only is a psychological effect, not a biological restriction. Same with people who were afraid of using their abilities, they can do it, they just don't want to because they're scared. Nothing suggests Tracy was ever able to become solid ice, she froze because she was wet and used the ice part of her power, she's still able to freeze things, as shown when she attacked Noah and Edgar. Hiro and Arnold have nothing to do with the catalyst. Hiro became sick because he started doing something with his ability that he wasn't supposed to, taking people to his "frozen time" perspective. We know nothing about Arnold, he could have simply developed cancer because of his old age. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:22, 15 November 2009 (EST)
                • As I said, you can launch counterarguments to all of the examples presented. however, those are more subjective than "fact," and counter-counterarguments can be made as well.
  1. If you assert that Maya's control over her power was an evolution that was not restrictive, than when she loses control that would be the restrictive form, and she does lose control prior to gaining it, at least momentarily (and almost kills crazy-Mohinder before he convinces her not to).
  2. Jeremy's "switch" was most likely a psychological effect, and this has happened to others as well. However, to say that there was no biological shift along with it is presuming (as is saying there is a biological shift with it), and thus inconclusive. The biology/physiology of these abilities has never, to my knowledge, been made clear. We have a random comment about codons in Season 1 with regards to Sylar, some very vague comments by Mohinder connecting it to adrenaline later, and an aside by Angela about Nathan being "predisposed" toward gaining an artificial power, and that is about all we know about the biology side, afaik. That hardly lets us know what is going on, and is not remotely enough information to make conclusions about how the psychological/biological effects play into the powers evolving. And "power evolution" can be argued to be psychological as well, in any case. Peter's control over his initial ability was far more psychological than biological in S1 (the evidence suggests), if you consider his control an evolution of his powers (though obviously that was not restrictive).
  3. I'm not sure what you mean about Tracy. You say nothing suggests she could become solid and then state she froze by using the ice part of her is the solid phase of water. However, I did forget that she still uses her power to freeze, so I withdraw that particular example.
  4. When are we told what aspect of his power made Hiro sick? I have only seen each episode once, so may have missed it, but I don't recall that being stated at all. Nor do I recall it being stated that any aspect of his ability was an "improper" use of power. I'm also not sure what you mean by "the catalyst." Are you talking about this? If so, what does that have to do with the evolution of abilities? That was just what allowed the formula to bond to human DNA, not what determines powers evolving (and it had a lot to do with Hiro, as he was the catalyst until Arthur stole it from him  ;)). As for Arnold, it is all speculation at this point, but we do know that his his body was unable to stand the strain of using the ability to teleport Charlie, and that is why he died...not because of cancer (iirc....Samuel told this to Hiro directly...whether Samuel is lying is another matter...). I think it was also stated a few times that the strain of using the power is what put Arnold in his current condition, but I'd have to go back and check for specific examples on that front. --Stevehim 04:29, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                  • What I meant about Tracy is that she didn't become solid ice, she became ice because she used the cold/ice part of her ability while soaking wet. Masi Oka revealed the source of Hiro's cancer, though I can't remember where exactly, other users might be able to tell you that. We don't usually take everything actors say about their character as fact, but the lack of any other statement leaves that as the only explanation, so until any other official source says it, Hiro couldn't control his ability properly and developed a cancer because he didn't freeze in time alone, he started bringing people with him, when he freezes time while touching someone, they don't freeze in time, they stay in the same reference as Hiro. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:07, 16 November 2009 (EST)
                        • Interesting. I was unaware of Masi's comments, and would be interested to read them, but I will certainly take your word for it. I can't think of a specific example offhand, but that just feels like it contradicts what we've seen in the show so far. If I have tme (which is rare these days, unfortunately), I'll have to go back and look at future Hiro and Peter and the present dfay Season 1's and see if they ever did that back then. --Stevehim 15:10, 16 November 2009 (EST)

Upcoming corrections needed

The article states: "Peter can currently only hold one ability at a time, losing access to his previous ability once he absorbs a new one."
Then, a bit later: "It is unclear if his ability is dependent on his hands, or what would happen if he came into contact with someone with multiple abilities, like Sylar or even someone with a passive ability like Claire Bennet, or if he can replicate multiple abilities at once by touching two evolved humans simultaneously."
We have now seen Peter come into contact with someone with several abilities. I would, however, suggest that we wait another week or two to see exactly what occurred (whether Peter now has all of Sylar's abilities, or has to actively choose which single one he wants when using his power....though it is very likely the former, as the latter has inherent problems). --Stevehim 06:53, 23 November 2009 (EST)

  • I can guarantee Peter has currently only one ability : Flight.--Kleith 07:48, 23 November 2009 (EST)
    • How can you guarantee that? --Stevehim 22:18, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • He doesn't have another ability he discarded healing.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:22, 23 November 2009 (EST)
      • Well in Thanksgiving, Sylar pinned Peter down with Telekinesis, if Peter had other abilities, he might have escaped from Sylar's 'grip.' Granted maybe Peter didn't know, but he didn't even try to see if had other powers. Although I do believe he did try and struggle but he failed. --Dman dustin 22:26, 23 November 2009 (EST)

The amount of abilities Peter can have

It looks like he can currently only have one even if he replicates from Sylar, but he seems to be able to control which one he gets. He clearly wanted flight and got that one from him. Its still not clear if he took shape shifting on purpose or not or if he just activated his replication and took what he could get that time. I think that time he took what he could get because, as I've said earlier, who would want shape shifting in a battle??? He discarded that one pretty quick too so I doubt he'd gotten more than that the first time either considering the range of abilities Sylar had. This time he took flight to keep up with Sylar as Nathan and discarded it as it didn't fit with what he needed. That was pretty damn smart of him to take mental manipulation to face Sylar. I think he purposly had that ability deactivated when Sylar attacked him so that he could catch Sylar by surprise with him thinking he was just going to drug him again, which did work. I think though he and Nathan should have used the chance to kill Sylar once and for all while they had mental manipulation and Nathan's control on their side. He's also clearly a better physical fighter than in earlier seasons too given his fights with Edgar and Sylar.--WarGrowlmon18 15:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)

  • Basically, I think Peter can choose what ability he takes from a multiple-powered individual, but only if he knows exactly what he's looking for. As you point out, Shape-shifting is not the ideal combat power. Out of Sylar's absorbed powers at that time, Disintegration would be (as it is the only ability in play that could bypass his regeneration). Logically then, if Peter could pick from any of Sylar's powers, he'd have taken that and killed him on the spot. Since he didn't, I infer that he couldn't, as it makes no logical sense for him not to- we know that he can choose an ability because of Brother's Keeper. Out of the powers Peter knew Sylar had, Shape-shifting or Regeneration were the only logical choices as Sylar would heal from any damage inflicted by the offensive powers. Claire's power wouldn't actually help him deal with Sylar, so he picked Shape-shifting to trick him later. Later, he knew Sylar could fly, so he chose to steal that power to track him. Swm 13:36, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • The first time just isn't clear enough. Why would he want to try and trick him later when he's battling him now??? Sylar can be hurt, he just can't be killed. I can think of ways that something like telekinesis could be used against him and electrical manipulation can clearly hurt him given It's Coming. All he had to do was just knock him out. Regenerators can be knocked out, they recover eventually, but that doesn't stop them from getting hurt enough to get knocked out say if Peter used telekinesis to overturn the piano on his head.--WarGrowlmon18 14:01, 2 December 2009 (EST)
      • The way I see it, the plan from even before Pete and Nathan went in was to take Shapeshifting. They knew they couldn't take him in a fight. They weren't trying to fight him, just to get Peter close enough to take Shapeshifting. --EkimCF 19:27, 2 December 2009 (EST)
    • We don't know that disintegration would bypass regeneration, do we? --Stevehim 20:11, 2 December 2009 (EST)
      • I concur with EkimCF. The plan was always for them to get shapeshifting, I think. Why else would they go charging in there knowing the best they could do would be to knock him out? As soon as he woke up again they'd be screwed. While you are correct about the possible damage that can be done to him through offensive powers, it would be suicide to take them. Example: Peter takes lightning and shocks Sylar. He regenerates from the burns, like he did with Elle, and splits open his throat with TK. Not the best idea. I'm pretty sure Disintegration would bypass regeneration, as there's nothing left to regenerate- the brain, body, everything would be destroyed. There's also an orange flash that can be seen right at the end of the scene where Claire's eye is at the door, meaning Peter's power. By then, they'd probably realised they'd lost that skirmish, and so moved to the other plan using shape-shifting. Swm 06:44, 5 December 2009 (EST)
        • If their plan was just to let Peter take shape shifting, why would Nathan risk his life? Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:52, 5 December 2009 (EST)
          • It's worst than that, they didn't know there was a syringe able to take Sylar down that Noah was bringing with him ! (And they had no phone so he clearly didn't call them) So even if this could have been their plan, there is no way it could have worked since the timing was way too short ! Then, Peter and Nathan states they want to "cut that son of a bitch in two", Nathan said Peter could do whatever Sylar could do. Excuse me but that absolutely doesn't sound as "Peter can take another form too" but more "my brother can be Sylar's equal". Why would they charge on him otherwise ? It was obvious they were gonna fail. Nathan flew Sylar out because he was killing Peter. Peter went immediately for Nathan so that proves it wasn't planned, it's only HRG that stopped him and that's when the "other plan" took place. I think Peter took shapeshifting because as said above, other powers, while being more powerful, would have ended up useless... Or maybe Peter only got one shot to grab a power and didn't really had the time to take whatever he wanted. It doesn't make sense otherwise since Peter almost got killed in that fight ! (And Nathan did die!) They could have easily ask Hiro or Peter could have taken his power and cut Sylar's head, I don't know... Moreover, Sylar moved his KILL spot, but a deep injury into the brain MUST turn him off, like Claire and Peter. The brain can't work if obstructed by an object of some sort, if deep enough.--Kleith 07:12, 5 December 2009 (EST)
            • If Peter can choose, why didn't he simply take Telekinesis and decapitate Sylar? He could have done that with one quick swipe of the finger and Sylar wouldn't be able to come back from that at all! Plus, if Nathan distracted Sylar, Peter would have had plenty of time to choose what ability he wanted.--Hiroman 05:03, 9 January 2010 (EST)
              • He probably can choose, but only if given the proper amount of time and focus. Peter still seems to take other's abilities at random whenever in a tense situation (on the plane with Tracy and when saving Emma), so the same may occur when he tried to take from Sylar the first time. He took shapeshifting because he grabbed Sylar in the midst of a fight, and wasn't able to focus long enough to take a specific ability. Also, Kleith, we can't assume that Nathan knows the full extent of Peter's powers. I also agree with Stevehim, we've seen "disintergration" used ONCE on a ceramic figure, and for some reason we all assume that it makes the user omnipotent. That's ridiculously speculative.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 13:31, 9 January 2010 (EST)

Intuitive Aptitude?

What would happen (I couldn't imagine this would be anything but opinion) if Peter absorbed Sylar's Intuitive Aptitude and (Completely out of character-ly) cut open someone's head and took their ability? Would he keep that ability forever or lose it when he lost Intuitive Aptitude? -Zaxbeez

  • Sylar seems to require his IA to use his other abilities- that's why the hunger is always present when he has access to his powers. However, if Peter did mimic his IA and go on a killing spree, his ability replication would become somewhat redundant anyway. Why bother taking someone's ability temporarily if you can get it permanantely by either killing them or making an emotional connection? If the hunger didn't eat Peter alive like it did in Volume 3, he'd probably opt for the latter. Swm 06:41, 26 January 2010 (EST)
    • The even more speculative, hypothetical scenario would be, he took Intuitive aptitude, used it to acquire (by force or through empathy) an ability or two, and then disposed of IA- would he retain the powers gained through IA or not? Totally speculative, but an interesting thought.--Evil Maldini 11:12, 6 February 2010 (EST)

Who likes this power?

I know a lot of people don't like this ability because he went from Peter having 15 abilities, to just one at a time. But who does like this ability? I just want to know that. I am kind of a fan of this ability. Believe me that I would rather have Peter with empathic mimicry again, but this is a pretty cool power. So again, I just want to know the people who do like / don't mind this ability. I don't want to see people who don't.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:57, 9 February 2010 (EST)

  • I do like it, yes. If I couldn't have any of the other powerful copy abilities then I would love this one. Pick any ability you want, just remember to keep a phonebook incase you need to change it. I honestly think the main reason people don't like it is because Peter has it after having EM. Otherwise, it it was just another character, like Draph, who came in with it, they'd be fine with it. --mc_hammark 18:06, 9 February 2010 (EST)
    • Peter was too overpowered with EM, unless someone hugged him. I like him with this one, he seems to think things out more instead of rushing in blindly with no plan, hoping all his abilities would help the situation.--Ratclaws 18:22, 9 February 2010 (EST)
      • Well, I like the ability but I dont like Peter having this ability.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 18:25, 9 February 2010 (EST)
        • I prefer this ability to Peter's old one by far. Empathic Mimicry is an entirely overpowered ability that always turns the wielder into a living god. The only question is how long this process will take. I never want to see such a character darken my TV screen again, which puts me in direct opposition to most fans who seemed to love the fact that Peter could slap anyone except Sylar around without trouble. This power, by contrast, has done wonders for Peter's character as he's been forced to use his head more, and has no danger of making the wielder too strong. Swm 18:32, 9 February 2010 (EST)
  • I actually do like this power as it forces him to think tactically, he can't just walk in and dominate (like another certain someone). However, I think he should get some type of limited EM back, where he has to know the person for a good amount of time, rather then a few seconds before he begins to use their power. Heck, I'd even take a lame explanation like "When Nathan died, Peter's heart was permanently broken, and he'll never make such quick empathic connections again. Ever."--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 19:20, 9 February 2010 (EST)