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== Mrs. Petrelli? ==


== Artificial Ability ==
Who's that? {{User:Altes/Signature}} 08:26, 25 December 2009 (EST)
 
*I think it was put because of the "It was your mothers recipe" bit in Villans. I don't think her surname was ever confirmed though. - {{User:Jenx222/sig4}} 08:30, 25 December 2009 (EST)</span>
My theory is that Arthur's power stealing ability is artificial, and that the ring that he wears gives him the ability.  In last night's episode, he didn't seem to have any power besides the telepathy based ones.  I also think that he commissioned the mission to video Sylar using his ability:  HRG pointedly refers to Sylar's ability as the ability to move powers from one vessel to another, and then later mentions that the video tape would be studied extensively.  So I think that Arthur used what he learned from that video to build a power stealing ring.  This would explain why getting footage of Sylar was worth letting him kill again to the company.  Thoughts? --[[User:Hollie Maea|Hollie Maea]] 14:02, 11 November 2008 (EST)
**Should be her married name anyway. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:56, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:Definitely... not. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:17, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::OK...thanks for all the detailed reasons you gave :\ --[[User:Hollie Maea|Hollie Maea]] 14:28, 11 November 2008 (EST)
:::Your theory stops working the moments you suggested the ring gives him his ability, there's nothing in the show which even remotely suggests something like that. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 16:18, 11 November 2008 (EST)
::::What is the significance of the ring then?  They wouldn't have made a big deal out of showing it if it weren't significant.
:::::It's essentially his symbol, much like the glasses to HRG.[[User:Exproject|Exproject]] 00:52, 12 November 2008 (EST)
::::::I've had the same theory except the ring part. All of the last episode he demonstrated no powers in the past except telepathy. (unless its been demonstrated in some webisode/graphic novel) I was thinking more along the lines that he had his additional powerstealing ability created for him after he was poisoned using pinehearst with specific intent to use adam to heal himself. [[User:RyanB|RyanB]] 07:36, 15 November 2008 (EST)
:::::::I don't think think that's the case, so far all artificial powers demonstrated weren't as advanced as Arthur's ability. Also, if he had his power stealing created after the poisoning then Peter and Sylar wouldn't have inherited a similar ability to his. -[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 12:38, 19 November 2008 (EST)
::::::::If the power one gets artificially is based on genetics then it is possible he got a power near identical to his two power hungry children if it was artificially induced. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:02, 19 November 2008 (EST)
:::::::::If that was the case then Nathan would have gotten a much better power than Flight. -[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 13:23, 19 November 2008 (EST)
::::::::::Not necessarily, his genetics might not be predisposed to being power hungry, there are thousands of different possible genetic combinations between Arthur & Angela, any one of them could have eliminated the predisposition to be a power hungry synthetically evolved human. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 13:39, 19 November 2008 (EST)
:::::::::::I wouldn't categorize Peter as power hungry, though I do agree on the part where you said there could be many different genetic combinations between Arthur and Angela. Still, Nathan got the short end of the stick when it comes to the family gene pool.-[[User:Rainman|Rainman]] 14:19, 20 November 2008 (EST)
* My theory is that Arthur's ability is synthetic, for a different reason. The formula, designed by Victoria, was shown to Arthur via Linderman, and, being jealous of people with powers, injected himself and got the perfect power to support his jealousy - the ability to render others' powerless while making himself greater. Kaito, knowing Arthur's true motives, then injected the last part of the formula into an unsuspecting person, and that is what led to Kaito leaving the Company. --[[User:DocM|DocM]] 15:46, 20 November 2008 (EST)


== All of Peter's Abilities? ==
== Template for Arthur? ==


Of all other the powers Peter had at the time of his depowering, Arthur has only demonstrated Lightning and Telekinesis. My theory is that perhaps he does -not- have access to the other powers that Peter had, because he did not witness him demonstrate them. Is it possible that power absorption only works on those abilities that Arthur consciously tries to absorb. Why then, does Peter not have any of his other abilities? Because he only had access to them through Empathic Mimicry, (which it is implied in Arthur and Angela's conversation in "Villians" Arthur also had knowledge of) he can no longer access. What do you think? [[User:Dumpster juice|Dumpster juice]] 18:07, 11 November 2008 (EST)
I'm just wondering, since Peter (and his future selves) and Sylar (future selves as well) have templates for the abilities that they have absorbed/replicated, should one be made for Arthur? I'd be willing to make it. --{{User:Leckie/Signature 10}} 07:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)


It could be similar to the situation when Peter had all Sylar's powers but only used telekinesis. Arthur has all Peter's powers but doesn't know what powers he now has, and therefore cannot use any of those which he hasn't seen Peter use. --[[User:Gianni23|Gianni23]] 10:22, 13 November 2008 (EST)Gianni23
== Powers? ==
Alot of powers he could have, are not listed? We should add them to the list. -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 13:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*Nope. Not unless he manifests them, meaning not unless he actually used any of them. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 13:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
** We did it for Peter -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*** We don't list many of Arthur's potential abilities because we don't know that Peter even had those abilities in the first place.  --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 14:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**** Thats what I said, if we do it for peter why not Arthur. Some of Sylar's abilities arn't listed either -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)


== His power ==
Is permanent? This has been proven incorrect trough Matt jr? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 17:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)
*I can't find where it says this. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 17:55, 2 February 2010 (EST)
** Never mind the page said 'Arthur claimed that the effects of his ability are permanent.', din't saw Arthur claimed this :p But should we put it, that in some cases people can get their abilities back? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***Not on his page, and it's already noted on the [[Power absorption]] page. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 18:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***It's a sort of complicated issue, really. I believe what happened is that Arthur truly removed Hiro's power, not just deactivated it. When Hiro came in contact with Matt Jr., it "jump started" his ability from his core DNA. It didn't just make his power work again, he had to work very hard to make it do anything at all. Over the course of a year or so, he was finally able to use his full ability again. So I would say that the power does remove it permanently (because the alternative would be a temporary removal, or burying it, neither of which are true). --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 18:03, 2 February 2010 (EST)
**** Yeah its a but complicated, to bad they don't gave full explanation of his ability :D -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 18:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
***** Maybe Arthur meant that there was no known way to restore abilities, or at least no natural ways to do so, without intervention. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:17, 2 February 2010 (EST)


<strike>Since it looks like we might never find out, what was the final word on this? Can we assume (based on Arthur's words) that he had all of Peter's abilities, to the point of doing things like listing Arthur on the enhanced strength page?</strike>  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 19:43, 13 December 2008 (EST)
== The way he takes powers ==
I think their was mentioned somewhere after he took Peter's ability he could choose how to take powers? Isn't this Technecally incorrect? Since EM is passive and from the moment he has is, auto mimics others their ability? -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:09, 3 February 2010 (EST)
*I believe it was a BTE interview. Who knows? Maybe he was good enough with powers to the point he could turn EM on and off. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:33, 3 February 2010 (EST)
** Maybe :D, thanks for the input, thought I read it somewhere. -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 14:34, 3 February 2010 (EST)


* People with the power of EM, only can use powers if they know they have it, Arthur din't know what powers peter had at the time -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 05:25, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
== Empathic mimicry (2) ==
** Arthur also displayed precognition and space-time manipulation, and mental manipulation was possibly taken from Peter. {{User:Altes/Signature}}


== A little hard to believe ==
Why is EM now on Arthur's pane? Wasn't the rule that he had to demonstrate the ability for it to be shown?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 17:53, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
Suspension of disbelief is necessary at times, but I wonder why Angela wasn't more thorough about making sure Arthur was dead before having him cremated. It's unclear whether she knew who Dr. Livitz was, but with both Angela and Arthur being masters of deception, the old rule holds true: "I won't believe he's dead unless I see a body!"
*Because EM was Peter's power, which was (obviously) stolen.  He didn't need to demonstrate it, simply because we knew he took it from Peter. --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 20:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
 
** I think the only way to demonstrate empathic mimicry is to demonstrate other powers. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:38, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
A possible explanation is she didn't want police (or anyone else) to find out Arthur was poisoned, casting suspicion on her. Or leave enough time for a Coroner's Inquest. So aside from the possibility of a benevolent doctor finding out what really happened — which didn't, because it was Dr. Livitz — I'm glad this was fairly well thought through. --[[User:Torley|Torley]] 00:50, 12 November 2008 (EST)
*** True.  But assuming EM was a "sponge", wouldn't Arthur's theft of Peter's [[electric manipulation]] imply he took the EM used to hold it? --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 20:41, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
 
**** Yes. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:49, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
== Spacetime manipulation ==
**** Well not completly -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 22:09, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
 
* Well, two things- why is this only being listed now, seeing as this incident happened ages ago? And what Ryan said above was right, without definitive knowledge that Arthur absorbed EM with all the other abilities attatched as Ricard suggested, as opposed to absorbing each ability Peter had as a seperate ability in one go, the only method of demonstrating EM would be for him to use an ability we know he hadn't gained through his natural power, and he never did that. So I advocate that that we either list all the powers we 'know' he stole from Peter, whether he used them or not, or only list the ones he used, which we're doing now. We never saw an example of EM.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:18, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
He probably used it to get to Africa, but until it's confirmed he did, shouldn't it be kept off "demonstrated"? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:45, 12 November 2008 (EST)
** An "absorbed but not used" version of Peter's "exposed" abilities? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
 
***Well we already have that right, but we list the one's he has used only on his info pane- I'm arguing that we've never seen him use EM, so it shouldn't be listed.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 13:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
Yes, i think it should. [[user:meteoritu|meteoritu]] 17:43, 21 November 2008 (EST)
**** I agree. We haven't ever seen him use empathic mimicry. We've only seen him use the abilities that Peter mimicked. Did Arthur ever absorb empathic mimicry, or just Peter's mimicked abilities? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
 
***** If he had absorbed only Peter's abilities, he'd still be able to mimic them again, meaning it wouldn't have made a difference, since he'd just be exposed to them again by standing next to Arthur. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
== Empathic mimicry ==
****** I'm saying he absorbed EM as much as he absorbed all the other powers from Peter that he never was seen using, like Flight and Induced Radioactivity- but just as we don't list those on his info pane, as we never saw him use them, nor should we list EM, even with the implication Ricard mentioned.--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 11:54, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
 
*******Ok, so the thing is, Arthur ''has'' shown use of empathic mimicry. Now, we know that EM is still only one ability, which allows the user's DNA to change to allow loads of different aspects. Arthur couldn't take "electric manipulation" because peter didn't have that, his EM only allowed him to mimic it. So any "ability" that Arthur has, isn't an ability, just an aspect of the EM he stole from Peter. This also means he displayed its use. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 21:10, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
Isn't Arthur accessing Peter's abilities through empathic mimicry? Peter didn't absorbed abilities like Sylar or Arthur, he needed his empathy to used them, like regeneration he had to access it rather than just heal like Claire. every time Arthur use one of Peter's abilities he is using empathic mimicry --[[User:JDeus01|JDeus01]] 15:53, 19 November 2008
******** Given the fact that Arthur has an ability that allows him to take the abilities of others, and the fact that demonstrating empathic mimicry is a pretty murky thing, just about any "evidence" for or against Arthur having demonstrated EM is really pretty theoretical. Since we really have no hard evidence one way or the other, we should probably leave EM off the list of abilities that we know he has. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:37, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
 
*********Actually, we do have one tangentially related piece of evidence that could help this along.  When Sylar was cured of the Shanti virus, he regained his IA (and TK, but that's always been a special case).  He does NOT regain the rest of his powers.  Why?  Because Sylar lost his "sponge", and his abilities "fell out".  He got IA back, but it was an "empty" IA.  If we use the same logic here, Arthur could not have stolen anything from Peter EXCEPT for his "full" EM (which includes all the powers Peter replicated). Which is why all of Peter's abilities are gone. We can say without any speculation that Arthur did absorb EM.  Thoughts?  --'''[[User:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Ricard</font>]]''' '''[[User talk:Ricard Desi|<font color=#609000>Desi</font>]]''' 22:14, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
*  Actually that is consistent with canon source. The writers have stated that Peter was only exposed to empathic mimicry when he was with Future Peter.  I like this explanation, but unfortunately he demonstartes electric manipulation and space time amanipulation before he met Elle or Hiro. [[User:D Toccs|D Toccs]] 03:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)
* If you're right mc then we would need to remove every 'ability' from Arthur's page that he gained through Peter alone, like say Telekinesis, and then remove Arthur's name from the TK page, as he never actually had that ability itself, as it was just an aspect of Peter's one power that he took when he did. That's a lot of changing, and it's based upon the nature of EM, but how do we know that nature? What if EM was simply used only in the initial mimic, and after that Peter used the abilities he gained in the same way the original holder did?--[[User:EvilMaldini|Evil Maldini]] 08:41, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
** Not true: he was imprisoned by Elle in Four Months Ago for nearly four months that's how he got that power Four Months Later was chronologicaly after those events and as for Hiro he ''did'' have an encounter with Future Hiro or don't you remember "save the cheerleader, save the world?"
**EDIT: Linked to the [[Talk:Empathic mimicry#The nature of Empathic mimicry...|Talk:Empathic mimicry]] page.
**  When did [[Peter]] exhibit [[electric manipulation]] before meeting [[Elle]] or [[space-time manipulation]] before meeting [[Hiro]] (or did you mean ''[[Arthur]]'')?  Peter absorbs ''only'' [[empathic mimicry]] when exposed to [[Peter (exposed future)|future versions of himself]], but he has that power before ever coming into contact with them, so he doesn't really need to absorb it (I think the writers were just saying that Peter doesn't get all of Future Peter's abilities).  With regards to Peter accessing his powers...I think he does absorb them permanently like Arthur and [[Sylar]] do (though in a different way).  [[Mohinder]]'s [[Empathic mimicry#Memorable Quotes|comment]] to [[Nathan]] about how Peter's ability works is very indicative of this, and we've seen Peter access powers he didn't even know he had (eg - [[Phasing]], [[Rapid cell regeneration|Regeneration]], etc), indicating that Peter was able to use powers without consciously accessing his innate power of empathic mimicry. So I would say that Arthur absorbed all of the powers Peter had separately, and it wouldn't matter if he somehow lost empathic mimicry...he'd still have the rest of the powers. --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 03:46, 8 January 2009 (EST)
***In response to Richard's post, I believe the "sponge" analogy was only meant for Peter's ability in how he aquires others' through his EM. Sylar is of course much different in how he gains new powers and in his case he actually changes his own DNA to obtain the ability while Peter just mimics, if I understand it correctly.  Peter's EM should be listed for Arthur's stolen abilities because that is precisely what he took.--[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 17:47, 18 June 2010
 
****Inblackestnight, you must sign any comment you add to a talk page. This is the seventh time you've been asked. Any questions can be left on my talk page.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 17:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
== Power ==
 
Did he not use [[Mental manipulation]] on [[Hiro]]? [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 20:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)
:He could have been using [[telepathy]], like he did to [[Angela]] in ''[[Villains]]''. We're not sure, though I'm more inclined to think it's mental manipulation. That's just me, though. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 20:15, 20 November 2008 (EST)
*I believe it was Mental manipulation because he grabbed Hiro's head. [[User:Psilaq Remake|Psilaq Remake]] 21:58, 20 November 2008 (EST)
**Even if he did, we can't list that ability until it's confirmed by a verifiable source. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 08:37, 21 November 2008 (EST)
*** Right. As of now, it's unspecified and purposely ambiguous. That's the way it should be. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:49, 21 November 2008 (EST)
**** In [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 CBR's BTE] Joe Pokaski and Aron Coliete confirmed that he was using the Haitian’s ability. Should we add it to the list? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 05:29, 25 November 2008 (EST)
***** I think it's safe to add to the list. Presumably, Peter had the ability in his system (from being exposed to the Haitian) but never knew about it, but Arthur knew about it once he absorbed it. [[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 09:07, 25 November 2008 (EST)
****** I'm not sure if Arthur got it from Peter, didn't Linderman tell Angela that Arthur had been removing memories and placing thoughts in her head? --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 23:10, 27 November 2008 (EST)
 
== Telepathy source ==
 
It doesn't matter much whether we use ''[[Villains]]'' or ''[[Dying of the Light]]'' as the source for [[telepathy]] on this page. Both are valid sources, both have as much reason to be on the page as the other. Only one is needed, of course. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:57, 23 November 2008 (EST)
*Don't earlier episodes have preference? If Villains is sourced, it implies that he didn't have, or at least didn't display it until that episode, which is incorrect. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 10:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)
** Nope, it doesn't imply anything, and earlier episodes don't have preference. By that logic, sourcing ''Dying of the Light'' would imply that Arthur didn't display the power until March 2007 since that episode takes place at a later chronological date. In the end, a source is just a source, and there's nothing that says that it has to be the first episode where it was demonstrated. Unless it's a table where it explicitly says something about the source being the first time something was displayed, any source will do. We typically use the first source because that's when we add it to the page, and there's no sense in updating the page just to change the source to another source which is equally valid. This particular case is an odd one since ''[[Dying of the Light]]'' aired before ''[[Villains]]'', but takes place chronologically months after. I don't care what episode source is used, but I do care that there are tiny edit wars on the page. That shouldn't be happening. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:28, 24 November 2008 (EST)
*** I get it know, and if that's the case, I do prefer Villains as the source due to the chronology aspect. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 11:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)
**** Does anyone object? If not I intend to change the source to Villains in a couple days. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)
***** I don't care one way or another. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)
 
== Precog source? ==
 
On this page, we're saying that he got precog from Peter. on the page about [[Arthur's drawings|his drawings]] we're saying he got it from Usutu. For consistency sake, which is it?--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 14:01, 28 November 2008 (EST)
: I changed it to Peter on the drawings page, since there is no evidence he stole Usutu's power before ripping his head off, but we know he absorbed all of Peter's powers, which would include precognition.  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 14:20, 28 November 2008 (EST)
:: I believe its the copy Peter got from Issac Mendez that he used.  Speaking of which, while they never said which power did he use to kill Usutu???  I think it was Peter's super-strength copy but it was never said.
 
== Comapny man? ==
Shouldn't we put him as the leader of the Company? He seemed to be more of Linderman's boss than an actual colleague. Besides the plan of New York Destruction wasn't originally his idea? --[[User:Manwithnoname|Manwithnoname]] 08:59, 5 December 2008 (EST)
* He did seem to be above Daniel, but we don't know how involved he was in Company affairs. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)
** Right. About all we know for sure is that he helped found the Company. That doesn't necessarily make him a current leader. Angela wasn't the leader until Bob died. And before that, I believe Linderman was the leader. The scenes with Linderman and Arthur can just as easily be interpreted as Arthur intimidating Linderman with the threat of his power. "Sometimes I worry you're outliving your usefulness." I'd cave, too. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)
*** I actually got the impression from what he said that he had a major role in the Linderman Group and was the force behind Linderman and all that he did there.
 
== Arthur's death ==
 
Is Arthur really dead because I hate to think that he'll suddenly regenerate or something and revive???  Some shows do that.  One of my other favorite shows had a villian that just wouldn't die no matter how many times he was apparently killed.  He was shot, blasted at from outer space, had his ship destroyed with him apparently on it and was finally thrown from a tower thousands of feet in the air.  THAT finally killed him (the writters confirm his death) but it got ''so'' annoying that he kept coming back.  He was a powerful foe like Arthur: being one of the galaxies most wanted dead he started building his own army claiming to need it for protection and survival.  He created horrible things that were loyal only to him and finally settled on a human/alien hybrid that made current and Future Mohinder look normal.  He built up an army of experiments and mercanaries, built bases, got himself a ship (never explained where that came from) and became one of the most powerful foes there were in the galaxy, so powerful that in the future he actually took over the galaxy and killed most of the charchters.  He was an enemy to everyone both good and evil and it was somewhat the good guys fault he was this way: we experimented on him and while he did get away (after being shot and surviving) he became a pariah among his own kind and went insane.  One of the charchters found this out after accidently traveling to the future in an episode somewhat reminisant of the times Peter and Hiro accidently travel to the future to find it horrible.  After traveling back a battle ensues and the enemy is finally defeated and the future changed: his army and ship are destroyed, his bases are found and dismantled and the experiments that could be reverted back to human ''are'' reverted back, but he survives and surprises everyone when they all have relaxed due to believing he's dead.  He makes a vie for a baby that will allow him to perfect his experiments and tries to kill everyone, but is defeated again, barley and is killed in a hand to hand fight on top of a tower when the mother of the baby he tried to kidnap knocks him off so he's holding on and at her mercy and like with Peter and Arthur, kills him by kicking his hands off as he's too dangerous to risk containing and getting away again. [[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 00:04, 9 December 2008
* And which show is that again? [[User:Bloodbath|Bloodbath]] 06:02, 9 December 2008 (EST)
** Stargate Atlantis, the enemy's name was Michael, he used to be what was called a Wraith, but we turned him human, he turned mostly back, got turned human again, mostly back again and then made himself a hybrid of both which he died as when he was thrown of Atlantis' tallest tower (yes, the Lost City of Atlantis).--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 10:53, 9 December 2008 (EST)
*Huh?--{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 00:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)
*My sentiments exactly. - [[User:Tristan0709|Tristan0709]] 00:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)
**Rofl. To try and clarify things, I don't think Arthur will come back considering he was shot in the head, anything to do with damage to the brain, save for the branch in Claire's head, has been regarded as something there's no coming back from. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 00:16, 9 December 2008 (EST)
*** Honestly, I can't read all that huge paragraph, but Future Peter died the same way. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 00:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)
**** No he didn't: Future Peter was shot twice in the chest and died due to The Haitian blocking his powers.  I think he was only able to regenerate that time Sylar killed him due to Claire being right there and his body mimicking her power due to her presence.  I don't think he's really able to regenerate from all of the things Claire could.  --[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 05:26, 9 December 2008 
***** Peter did regenerate after a piece of metal pierced his heart. He only died because the Haitian blocked his power, just like Arthur dying because the Haitian blocked his power. --{{User:Ice Vision/sig}} 00:44, 9 December 2008 (EST)
****** No, Arthur regained his powers: he slashed Peter's cheek with telekinesis but missed the bullet due to him being focused on doing that.  If The Haitian was still blocking powers, Sylar's would have been blocked too.  --[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 15:53, 9 December 2008
****** Arthur appears to be dead cause the Haitian blocked his ability to regenerate. For the same reason, Future Peter got killed in ''I Am Become Death''.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)
I think Arthur is definitely dead, cause he didn't start to regenerate after the Haitian left the room. Simple as that. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 09:28, 9 December 2008 (EST)
*Didn't Angela explicitly say that Pete had to shoot him in the BACK of the head?  If Arthur does return, there's your loophole. [[user:NathanMosaic|NathanMosaic]] 11:55, 9 December 2008
**Yes, but I think the bullet went all the way ''through'' his head as I think I saw blood shoot out the back and the catalyst died too which Mohinder said would happen with the death of the host.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 13:54, 9 December 2008 (EST)
* What about his Body? when the Marine wakes up Nathan (Dual 10 minutes in) it is gone with a bloodtrail on the floor.... well where have we seen that before? right Sylars "death". -- [[User:Bugenhagen|Bugenhagen]] 21.12.2008
** I think the writers purposely left a loophole so that If they wanted, they could bring him back. I mean, didn't Arthur manage to break The Haitian's hold on him before Peter actually fired? But if it hit the right spot and was left there then he'd die. It's left open to keep us guessing =) [[User:Snoops619|Snoops619]] 15:54, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
 
==Who killed Arthur?==
 
Who do we credit with killing Arthur?  I would think we'd have to say it was Sylar.  Not only does he pretty much say that, he stopped the bullet telekinetically (as opposed to Peter stopping the taser with space-time manipulation).  Thus, releasing that power should not cause the bullet to resume its normal motion, and I interpreted the scene (having only watched it once) as Sylar using his telekinesis to propel the bullet into Arthur's head.  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 03:13, 9 December 2008 (EST)
* I think we credit Peter, Sylar just held the bullet in place there and let it go.  If you watch his hand (and I rewatched the part to make sure) you'll see that he made no movements that would propel the bullet like that, he just seemed to drop his hand and let go.  I agree with the person below me: that ''is'' what appeared to happen.  --[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]]  15:53, 9 December 2008
* I believe that Sylar "held" the bullet rather than stopping it's motion, if you look closely you can see that the bullet is still spinning, and then allowed it to continue its motion without taking away any power from it. --[[User:Davey08|Davey08]]12:17, 10 December 2008 (EST)
** After watching it again, I'm not so sure.  The bullet is still clearly spinning, but Sylar also clearly jerks his hand when he releases it, suggesting he added some force.  We've also been given no indication (that I can think of anyway) that telekinesis merely 'pauses' motion, rather than stopping it.  His words directly before that, that Peter isn't a killer, but he (Sylar) is, suggest that Sylar killed Arthur.  Arthur's final words in the GN: Truths, however, seem to indicate it was Peter.  It has to be recorded on a bunch of different pages, so I wanted to get everyone's thoughts (for now, I'll list them both). --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 15:47, 9 December 2008 (EST)
* Peter pulled the trigger, so I would say that he killed Arthur. Sylar just stopped it so that he could ask Arthur if he was really his father, then let it go after he got his answer. [[User:Bloodbath|Bloodbath]] 20:17, 9 December 2008 (EST)
** Yeah, I think Sylar just sort of held it and didn't stop it.  He just let it go when he was done questioning him.  I think Sylar just jerked his hand away, that's all.  And I agree: GN: Truths definitly indicates Peter killed him.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 02:24, 10 December 2008 (EST)
*** Kinda like asking, who nuked hiroshima?  The enola gay pilot, the bombadeer who opened the door, or President Truman who gave the orders. Peter fired the fatal shot, Sylar simply hit 'the pause button' for a few seconds. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 01/8/2009 15:23 (EST)</small>
****Peter mustered up the balls to pull the trigger himself so the credit goes to him.[[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 10:32, 18 February 2009 (EST)
 
== Clairvoyance ==
 
The Shark is back with a question:
 
“When Hiro goes back and takes the catalyst upon himself, Arthur shows up shortly after and takes the catalyst from him, as well as his powers. My question is this: how on earth did Arthur know that Hiro and Claire had gone back in time, and that they were where and when they were? Is Arthur omniscient?”
 
This is actually something that we can tell you is going to be on the DVD. There was a scene where Arthur found Molly and stole her ability, using it to find Hiro and Claire in the past. However, the scene just seemed overwhelmingly, what’s the word? Disturbing. - [[User:Mike the Man-child!|Mike the Man-child!]]
 
*Like Kaito's ability, until it's mentioned in the series, it's just a deleted scene. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:05, 6 February 2009 (EST)
 
== Ability Absorption ==
 
Okay, here's my idea. We have two characters with powers to affect or work with abilities - Ando's ability supercharging and Peter's ability replication. So why do we still call Arthur's ability "''power'' absorption" instead of "ability absorption"? (Altes)
* It was stated in his assignment tracker. It may not be what you like but it is canon and we must abide by it.--[[User:Steelymcbeam|Steelymcbeam]] 09:34, 18 February 2009 (EST)
** You have a point, but what about Peter and Ando, then? Their powers' names begin with "ability". Is that canon? (Altes)
*** Press the signature in one of the buttons at the top if you want to sign, personally I don't see a difference between power and ability.. I mean if someone has "great ability" they may have an aptitude to learn better or have great leadership ability, but if you said "They have great leadership power" it makes no sense.
 
Power Mimicry was Peter's ability before the whole "empath" thing and made it Empathic Mimicry instead of Ability Mimicry. But Power Replication doesn't sound that good and Power Mimicry would just be speculative and not going to happen. So Ability Replication is the so far, same goes with "Ability supercharging doesn't sound right with Power Supercharging or Power Amplification >_> --[[User:Arkillion|Arkillion]] 21:42, 19 February 2009 (EST)
* Power absorption doesn't sound good to me either, but it's canon. I mean, the assignment tracker would name their abilities power something-something too.--[[User:Altes|Altes]] 07:27, 4 March 2009 (EST)
 
== Worst Villian/Character Ever? ==
 
Perhaps it is because I'm not to used to the whole thing, but isn't [[Arthur]]'s character the worst that they could have introduced? Seriously, comon, Heroes was always about groups of people posing threats in the form of the company or people like [[Sylar]], who needs a haircut, that made the show a simple yet complex piece and a pleasure to watch. introducing [[Arthur]] was never intended to be done until two writers, who have now been fired for making the wrong choices with the show's direction and lowering the ratings, crippilled the chances of a fourth season by making this god-forbiddin piece of driftwood the main bad guy. the first four episodes and initial direction of the plot was amazing, [[Angela]]'s vision was of five villians causing mahem agaisnt the only ones who could stop them and in the end make the world into their toy, giving [[Mohinder]] powers was something that they wanted to see since [[Bennet]] asked if he was on the good old list from season 1 was a turn for the better because he could grow ties to the five initial villians, again from [[Angela]]'s dream inorder to heal the negative affects of his power, using [[Adam]]'s blood as a real catalist as opposed to the bullshit floating fanta stlyed mist that was spewed into a bukkect of, again, fizzed out fanta looking orange shit.
But, by killing [[Adam]], who was a highlight in the second season, having [[Elle]] dissapear for long durations at a time and making [[Sylar]] jump from serial killer (and a pimping awsemome one at that) to a good guy in all of 45 minutes? eliments like this killed the simple source of intrest that drove the show to be so good which was the, in the end, people driven to do evil things for and through the powers that they were given and to have them pose a threat against the Heroes that millions fell in love with after the pilot. Plus Arthurs power made the show a cheap rip off of actual comic sterotype bad guys, something that the show rebbeled agaianst since inception. In the end, he was a poorly chosen guy to put in the helm of the show's villian ensemble, and something that they will regret just as much as taking away [[Peter]]'s and [[Hiro]]'s powers also, along with killing off nearly every single black guy that ever popped up with an ability, [[Elle]] too, who after coming to love and respect [[Sylar]] got her brains fingered?
[[User:Halfbreed1426|Halfbreed1426]] 09:07, 21 February 2009
*Agreed.  They cold have done so much with that character,  but chose the worst path. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 17:13, 21 February 2009 (EST)
 
*Too be fair, The Actor Who Plays Knox is in a new ITV program (I think) :P --Drwho113
* [[Knox]] was meant to be introduced as having some sort of [[Enhanced strength|enhanced strength]] killing a massive load of polic officers and drvining off with one of their vihicles, taking his fists to any one that he held grudges against.
*I also completely agree with you especially about the Adam part. --[[User:Bigred24|Bigred24]] 22:56, 28 February 2009
 
: [[User:IceGhost78|IceGhost78]] we need more dark chocolate on the show, and yes arthur sucks they killed off adam for this guy wtf
 
== Telepathy or Mental Manipulation ==
 
Question. Why do we say he has mental manipulation? He has never shown ablity supression but has shown all aspects of telepathy. --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 17:20, 22 February 2009 (EST)
* It was confirmed by BTE interview that he used mental manipulation to erase Hiro's memory. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:46, 22 February 2009 (EST)
** If Peter could use mental manipulation or "Nullification" surely he could use it to nullify the abilities of others whilst retaining his own? I mean The Haitian keeps his ability from negating himself and the explosion future Haitian could let Matt use his telepathy. So I assume if Peter still had his abilities pre-loss he would be stronger than Sylar or anyone (Well he already was, but now Sylar is the strongest atm).
*** I think so, this ability is probably an example of ability immunity, users are immune to the harmful effects of the ability. Yeah, the Haitian can pick who he lets use an ability and who he doesn't, remember FMA? He let Elle spark Peter's nose but didn't let Peter move the glass. In terms of raw power, I think Peter was indeed stronger than Sylar, but since he didn't have that much control over his abilities, Sylar was able to best him. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:52, 24 February 2009 (EST)
 
Did BTE say that he has the Haitian's powers? Cuz they could be referring to Telepathy. Can I have the interview where this is said? --[[User:PRKO|(P)uerto (R)ican (K)nock(O)ut]] 16:15, 5 March 2009 (EST)
* [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 17th question], they're very explicit saying it's the Haitian's ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:47, 5 March 2009 (EST)
 
==I wonder...==
Did Arthur not use Enhanced Strength to rip Usutu's head off. I know it could have been telekinesis but just a thought. [[User:MIDAS|MIDAS]] 09:23, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
* He would have had his hands drenched in Usutu's blood then. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 06:22, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
** Not necessarily, he could hold the head by the sides, grip tight and pull it off, blood would come from the neck, not the side of the head. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:38, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
I also thought Usutu's scream was accompanied by a sort of tear sound, although that could have been just a sound effect, or even TK's sound effect. They should have had arthur fly as well, that would have just looked cool. I know that's not what heroes is about but... still. Sort of wasted Arthur's potential if you ask me. Poison Emission, Induced Radio., Flight, IA, EM, Super Speed, and all he used was things existing characters still had. Wait, check that over... yeah, at the time he used them, every ability except Precognition was still being used.
***I always got the feeling that he literally punched or ripped his head off.
 
==Arthur Dead?==
I don't believe it. He had absorbed rapid cell regeneration twice now, and it only took one bullet to kill him? It wasn't even in his neck. Even if the Haitian was there, shouldn't the ability have kicked in as soon as he left the area? Even if his brain had shut down by then, the same happened with Peter. When the glass was in his neck, I'm pretty sure his brain shut down, but as soon as it was taken out, his brain "came back to life", so to speak. I'm sure the same would apply to Arthur.
 
The bullet destroyed the "killspot" in Arthur's brain, he's not coming back. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 21:13, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== Mental Manipulation? ==
 
It says [[Ability development#Telepathy|here]], Arthur used this on Angela.  So...this would mean he doesnt have Mental Manipulation.  Right?--{{User:Catalyst/sig2}} 02:28, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
* I don't know any place in the world of ''Heroes'' that would lead me to believe that Arthur has the same ability as the Haitian. If there's a suspicion of it, it's certainly not confirmed. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 09:13, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
** For me, Arthur had both by the time he died, in Angela he used telepathy, which wasn't a complete erasure, since Angela could tell she was missing something, as if her memory had been supressed, but with Hiro, it was much more like the Haitian's ability, which is usually done through touch, it would make sense if he had gotten it as an ability to which Peter was exposed but never used. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:13, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
* The writers [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18931 confirmed] he used the Haitian's ability on Hiro. - [[User:Josh|Josh]] ([[User talk:Josh|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Josh|contribs]]) 17:40, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
** Ah yes, thank you for that reminder. I was only thinking of ''Villains'', not any examples from the "present" timeline. Thanks! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:21, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
 
== Tim Petrelli ==
 
I can't seem to find where the name for his brother "Tim Petrelli" comes from, anyone know? - {{User:Jenx222/sig2}} 16:16, 23 November 2009 (EST)
*In [[Acceptance]] when Angela gives "[[Sylar|Nathan]]" some old things and he touches a toy plane, he remembers that his Uncle Tim gave it to him. Since angela only had alice as a sibling, he must be arthur's brother. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
**Ahh ok, thanks - {{User:Jenx222/sig2}} 16:24, 23 November 2009 (EST)
*** Actually it could just be a friend of Angela. "Uncle" doesn't necessarily means it's a blood related uncle, like Samuel and Rebecca.
****That's true.  I think we should move the page to "Uncle Tim", and in notes say that it is unclear whether he is a blood relative or close family friend.  Thoughts?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 16:59, 23 November 2009 (EST)
*****That's even more speculation to assume he's not their uncle. Until said otherwise, we recorded that Samuel was Rebecca Taylor's uncle. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 17:11, 23 November 2009 (EST)
****** Which was not such a smart move, as proved in the next episode. I didn't see no Tim Petrelli at Arthur's funeral as far as I know. We never heard of him nor see anything implying his existence. Since all the Petrellis have been pretty "exposed" in the show, even Angela's family, I think we should have heard of him if he was Arthur's brother. I know a lot of person who have "uncles" who aren't blood related. I, for instance. Whatever happens, there's not more assumption weither we say he is blood related or not. --[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 17:18, 23 November 2009 (EST)
******* Nathan said "Uncle Tim".  Until someone in the show says otherwise, Timothy Petrelli is Nathan's uncle by blood. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 17:24, 23 November 2009 (EST)
********He was mentioned one time, for about 2 seconds.  I doubt he will ever make an appearance or even be mentioned again.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 17:28, 23 November 2009 (EST)
********* http://www.thefreedictionary.com/uncle , moreover, how can you know it's not Arthur's sister's husband ? There is too many unknown things, I think we should go for "Uncle Tim" and not state he's "Timothy Petrelli" (ahem, Timothy ?) Why don't we create a Mama Petrelli, the one that gave Angela pasta's wasabee ? She won't be referred again, true, but that's the same for Tim.--[[User:Kleith|Kleith]] 17:42, 23 November 2009 (EST)
********** Tim's absence in Arthur's funeral could be due to him dying before Arthur's fake death. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:03, 23 November 2009 (EST)
*********** What page are we talking about moving? Also, Angela had no brothers, and Alice was never married. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:40, 23 November 2009 (EST)
 
== Precognitive dreaming ==
 
Was there any conformation that Artur dind't use this ability? Because Arthur does sleep ( like any other normal human lol ), he might used this ability while sleeping but we never saw it.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 15:43, 9 December 2009 (EST)
*The fact that we don't see (or hear of) him using it makes it unconfirmed. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 00:00, 10 December 2009 (EST)
 
== Mrs. Petrelli? ==
 
Who's that? {{User:Altes/Signature}} 08:26, 25 December 2009 (EST)

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Mrs. Petrelli?

Who's that? AltesUTC CH 08:26, 25 December 2009 (EST)

  • I think it was put because of the "It was your mothers recipe" bit in Villans. I don't think her surname was ever confirmed though. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 08:30, 25 December 2009 (EST)

Template for Arthur?

I'm just wondering, since Peter (and his future selves) and Sylar (future selves as well) have templates for the abilities that they have absorbed/replicated, should one be made for Arthur? I'd be willing to make it. --Leckie -- Talk 07:05, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Powers?

Alot of powers he could have, are not listed? We should add them to the list. -- (WaterRatj) 13:38, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • Nope. Not unless he manifests them, meaning not unless he actually used any of them. --mc_hammark 13:39, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • We did it for Peter -- (WaterRatj) 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • We don't list many of Arthur's potential abilities because we don't know that Peter even had those abilities in the first place. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:01, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Thats what I said, if we do it for peter why not Arthur. Some of Sylar's abilities arn't listed either -- (WaterRatj) 14:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

His power

Is permanent? This has been proven incorrect trough Matt jr? -- (WaterRatj) 17:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)

  • I can't find where it says this. --mc_hammark 17:55, 2 February 2010 (EST)
    • Never mind the page said 'Arthur claimed that the effects of his ability are permanent.', din't saw Arthur claimed this :p But should we put it, that in some cases people can get their abilities back? -- (WaterRatj) 17:57, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • Not on his page, and it's already noted on the Power absorption page. --mc_hammark 18:00, 2 February 2010 (EST)
      • It's a sort of complicated issue, really. I believe what happened is that Arthur truly removed Hiro's power, not just deactivated it. When Hiro came in contact with Matt Jr., it "jump started" his ability from his core DNA. It didn't just make his power work again, he had to work very hard to make it do anything at all. Over the course of a year or so, he was finally able to use his full ability again. So I would say that the power does remove it permanently (because the alternative would be a temporary removal, or burying it, neither of which are true). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 18:03, 2 February 2010 (EST)
        • Yeah its a but complicated, to bad they don't gave full explanation of his ability :D -- (WaterRatj) 18:05, 2 February 2010 (EST)
          • Maybe Arthur meant that there was no known way to restore abilities, or at least no natural ways to do so, without intervention. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 2 February 2010 (EST)

The way he takes powers

I think their was mentioned somewhere after he took Peter's ability he could choose how to take powers? Isn't this Technecally incorrect? Since EM is passive and from the moment he has is, auto mimics others their ability? -- (WaterRatj) 14:09, 3 February 2010 (EST)

  • I believe it was a BTE interview. Who knows? Maybe he was good enough with powers to the point he could turn EM on and off. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:33, 3 February 2010 (EST)
    • Maybe :D, thanks for the input, thought I read it somewhere. -- (WaterRatj) 14:34, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Empathic mimicry (2)

Why is EM now on Arthur's pane? Wasn't the rule that he had to demonstrate the ability for it to be shown?--Evil Maldini 17:53, 3 April 2010 (EDT)

  • Because EM was Peter's power, which was (obviously) stolen. He didn't need to demonstrate it, simply because we knew he took it from Peter. --Ricard Desi 20:29, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
    • I think the only way to demonstrate empathic mimicry is to demonstrate other powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2010 (EDT)
  • Well, two things- why is this only being listed now, seeing as this incident happened ages ago? And what Ryan said above was right, without definitive knowledge that Arthur absorbed EM with all the other abilities attatched as Ricard suggested, as opposed to absorbing each ability Peter had as a seperate ability in one go, the only method of demonstrating EM would be for him to use an ability we know he hadn't gained through his natural power, and he never did that. So I advocate that that we either list all the powers we 'know' he stole from Peter, whether he used them or not, or only list the ones he used, which we're doing now. We never saw an example of EM.--Evil Maldini 13:18, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
    • An "absorbed but not used" version of Peter's "exposed" abilities? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
      • Well we already have that right, but we list the one's he has used only on his info pane- I'm arguing that we've never seen him use EM, so it shouldn't be listed.--Evil Maldini 13:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
        • I agree. We haven't ever seen him use empathic mimicry. We've only seen him use the abilities that Peter mimicked. Did Arthur ever absorb empathic mimicry, or just Peter's mimicked abilities? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:38, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
          • If he had absorbed only Peter's abilities, he'd still be able to mimic them again, meaning it wouldn't have made a difference, since he'd just be exposed to them again by standing next to Arthur. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:46, 4 April 2010 (EDT)
            • I'm saying he absorbed EM as much as he absorbed all the other powers from Peter that he never was seen using, like Flight and Induced Radioactivity- but just as we don't list those on his info pane, as we never saw him use them, nor should we list EM, even with the implication Ricard mentioned.--Evil Maldini 11:54, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
              • Ok, so the thing is, Arthur has shown use of empathic mimicry. Now, we know that EM is still only one ability, which allows the user's DNA to change to allow loads of different aspects. Arthur couldn't take "electric manipulation" because peter didn't have that, his EM only allowed him to mimic it. So any "ability" that Arthur has, isn't an ability, just an aspect of the EM he stole from Peter. This also means he displayed its use. --mc_hammark 21:10, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
                • Given the fact that Arthur has an ability that allows him to take the abilities of others, and the fact that demonstrating empathic mimicry is a pretty murky thing, just about any "evidence" for or against Arthur having demonstrated EM is really pretty theoretical. Since we really have no hard evidence one way or the other, we should probably leave EM off the list of abilities that we know he has. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:37, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
                  • Actually, we do have one tangentially related piece of evidence that could help this along. When Sylar was cured of the Shanti virus, he regained his IA (and TK, but that's always been a special case). He does NOT regain the rest of his powers. Why? Because Sylar lost his "sponge", and his abilities "fell out". He got IA back, but it was an "empty" IA. If we use the same logic here, Arthur could not have stolen anything from Peter EXCEPT for his "full" EM (which includes all the powers Peter replicated). Which is why all of Peter's abilities are gone. We can say without any speculation that Arthur did absorb EM. Thoughts? --Ricard Desi 22:14, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
  • If you're right mc then we would need to remove every 'ability' from Arthur's page that he gained through Peter alone, like say Telekinesis, and then remove Arthur's name from the TK page, as he never actually had that ability itself, as it was just an aspect of Peter's one power that he took when he did. That's a lot of changing, and it's based upon the nature of EM, but how do we know that nature? What if EM was simply used only in the initial mimic, and after that Peter used the abilities he gained in the same way the original holder did?--Evil Maldini 08:41, 6 April 2010 (EDT)
    • EDIT: Linked to the Talk:Empathic mimicry page.
      • In response to Richard's post, I believe the "sponge" analogy was only meant for Peter's ability in how he aquires others' through his EM. Sylar is of course much different in how he gains new powers and in his case he actually changes his own DNA to obtain the ability while Peter just mimics, if I understand it correctly. Peter's EM should be listed for Arthur's stolen abilities because that is precisely what he took.--Inblackestnight 17:47, 18 June 2010
        • Inblackestnight, you must sign any comment you add to a talk page. This is the seventh time you've been asked. Any questions can be left on my talk page.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 17:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)