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***I agree Flo, however this one seems slower since there is approximately 1-2 revelations per week, as opposed to 1-2 revelations per day on TLE. Maybe TPTB are pacing themselves...[[User:Disney42|Disney42]] 19:43, 2 April 2007 (EDT) | ***I agree Flo, however this one seems slower since there is approximately 1-2 revelations per week, as opposed to 1-2 revelations per day on TLE. Maybe TPTB are pacing themselves...[[User:Disney42|Disney42]] 19:43, 2 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
**** I have actually never seen ''Lost'', and I have a slow internet connection so I probably couldn't keep up anyway. This puzzle is crazy, just think of what it would take to come up with a chess game that ended in [[DL]]. And who was crazy enough to solve it? -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 03:13, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | **** I have actually never seen ''Lost'', and I have a slow internet connection so I probably couldn't keep up anyway. This puzzle is crazy, just think of what it would take to come up with a chess game that ended in [[DL]]. And who was crazy enough to solve it? -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 03:13, 3 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
* So it was solved as DL. What does that mean...just a wild goose chase to find the letter DL, or is there a part that DL is playing that is important?--[[User:ASEO|ASEO]] 16:47, 2 May 2007 (EDT) | |||
** If you check the article, DLH is the e-mail to contact Hana. There's been an e-mail for each of the recent puzzles, except for ''For Fun'' puzzle, because Hiro has been forced into hiding. In the e-mail, we learn that Hiro suspects they have a traitor in their midst. And based on the episode [[Five Years Gone]], we can theorize that Hiro is telling Hana he suspects DL's new identity has been compromised and that she should tell him to get a new one (get ''new clothes'').--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:04, 2 May 2007 (EDT) | |||
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**** Yeah, it bugs me we can't really post anything yet, and that solution works, but it totally ''feels'' like it was derived backwards, if you know what I mean. It's like reading apologetics, like working backwards from a solution, you know?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | **** Yeah, it bugs me we can't really post anything yet, and that solution works, but it totally ''feels'' like it was derived backwards, if you know what I mean. It's like reading apologetics, like working backwards from a solution, you know?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
***** I agree that the solution was derived not through the puzzle, but you can see the logic in the email address's derivation from the puzzle. It should at least be explained that the email address was derived from brute force.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 00:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | ***** I agree that the solution was derived not through the puzzle, but you can see the logic in the email address's derivation from the puzzle. It should at least be explained that the email address was derived from brute force.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 00:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | ||
****** I do realize where you're coming from. Also, the other puzzles were much more involved, so there could be more. I'll try once more. Perhaps this is proof enough:<br>One of the past blog entries is titled 'Bound By Death and Luck', and 'fortune' could also mean 'luck'. There's only one row which contains the word 'death' (death row):<br><br>times, we used a courier to tell truth. Analogous to '''death''', ''invisibility'' to many ''familiar'' people. The irony.<br><br>So it's someone who's very close/familiar to Hiro, and someone who was on death row whose ailment is invisible (a brain tumour). So the mask/e-mail name has to be Charlie's.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] 01:40, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
******* It's probably not a coincidence that this is around [[Charlie|Charlie's]] [[April 24th|birthday]], but how does it all fit together? -[[User:Level|Lөv]][[User talk:Level|ө]][[Special:Contributions/Level|l]] 12:58, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
******* To illustrate my point about this feeling forced, here's a randomly selected line from the nearest book I have at hand (''The Cat Who Walks Through Walls'' by Robert Heinlein): | |||
Presently, Mr. Mao drummed on his desk and said, "Major, | |||
::::::: In the real world, Chairman Mao is the author of ''The Little Red Book''. This means that the email address we're looking for is the name of a red-headed person with whom Hiro had a ''major'' relationship. "Presently" refers to the birthday present Hiro gave her--the Japanese phrase book. A drum can refer to a large trash ''can''; Charlie was opening a ''can'' when she was killed by Sylar. A "desk" can be a counter where one goes to have questions answered or ask for information--a reference to Charlie's power.<br><br>It all fits, but that doesn't make it correct.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
:::::::* The difference is that the blog entry I selected is not random, and it only has one row in which the word death is mentioned. As for choosing the words ''invisibility'' and ''familiar'', I can see how you might think that is forced. Though, these words are bound by the words 'to many', and 'too many' could mean 'fortune'. I'll think about it some more.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] 13:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
:::::::** So is there still not wanting to post at least the answer to the last puzzle? I get (from the lack of reply) that there is non-agreement about the means to the answer; but the answer is solid, isn't it?--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:30, 1 May 2007 (EDT) | |||
:::::::*** I think we may as well post it, since no good answer seems to be forthcoming, but we should make clear that the answer was guessed, and that "possible" solutions include the apologistic solutions. None of them really seems to account for everything, and none of them feels anywhere near as solid as the previous answers.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:14, 2 May 2007 (EDT) | |||
:::::::**** Alright, I've posted my puzzle solution and noted that the answer was found originally by force. If someone finds a better solution, we can alter this laters.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 16:53, 2 May 2007 (EDT) | |||
=="For Fun" puzzle== | |||
I haven't found any mention or discussion of the message in the crossword puzzle. Am I missing something? [[User:Diaphane|Diaphane]] 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
* I assumed it really was 'just for fun' and didn't have a point in and of itself.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] 02:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
* If you mean the alleged "Get Isaac-san" message, it's because it's more likely a coincidence than a message ... especially considering that Isaac-san is five years dead by the time Hiro is writing the puzzle.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 04:05, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
** I doubt it is a coincidence. It's likely that Future Hiro was telling [Future] Hana about his plan. He told her that he was going to visit Peter Petrelli and tell him to "Get Isaac-san."--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] | |||
*** But he didn't tell Peter that. He told Peter to save the cheerleader, and to "see the painter".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 13:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
**** Future Hiro said "The painter, Isaac. Go to him. He will know." I don't think he planned on saying the exact words. The message included him telling Peter to go to Isaac. It means the same thing.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] | |||
***** "Get" means the same as "go to"?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:44, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
****** Not necessarily, but ''sometimes'' it does mean the same thing. And this time, it seems that way. | |||
******* So why's he telling it to Future Hana? It's not like present-day Peter is going to read the crossword puzzle, nor does Hana need to know the message, nor is she in any way capable of "getting" or "going to" Isaac herself, nor is there any context by which she can be made to understand that "When I say 'Get Isaac-san', I mean that that's a small part of the message I'm going to deliver to Peter Petrelli five years in the past", nor does she even know that he's going to deliver a message to Peter in the past until the next email. It's possible to make it a "message" that means something, but it takes a pretty huge leap of logic to do so. It just doesn't fit with the chronology of his messages, with his intended recipient's needs or present knowledge, or with the actual content of his message very well.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:54, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
******** I'm just afraid we're looking too deeply into something that's simply not there. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
********* I hate to think what we'd be discussing had the clue above been something like "do" or "eat".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT) | |||
== Hiro's blog is gone == | |||
Hiro's blog has apparently been removed from NBC's website. Fortunately, many have done the work of cataloging his entries on this page. As a latecomer to the Heroes fan base, this page has been the only way I have been able to read his entries. If anyone knows if the location of Hiro's blog has changed, help us out by posting the new address.--[[User:Mtundu|Mtundu]] 01:24, 13 January 2009 (EST) |
Latest revision as of 01:26, 13 January 2009
This is basically just here for the format and the links at the moment. We should probably expand it with some actual content ... maybe brief summaries of the posts. Any analysis or speculation (probably about his latest post) should obviously go on the theories page, and most of the references are covered on their respective pages (Star Trek, role-playing games, Marvel, DC Comics--though we could use an anime or manga page, too).
We should probably avoid posting the full content of his posts like we do on Hana's website just because there are so damned many of them, and some are fairly long. I do have them archived in case NBC decides to actually delete them at some point, at which point we can add subpages instead of external links.--Hardvice (talk) 06:19, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- Great job. I agree that Hiro's blog is effectively part of the Heroes 360 experience (as it serves the same purpose as any of those other post-announcement websites), and the recent tie-in to primatechpaper.com strengthens that. I'd just been thinking the other day -- why there isn't yet a Hiro's blog article that's part of the Heroes 360 category -- and then you (or Ryangibsonstewart) would come along and act on it. (Seems this pattern's been happening a lot lately.)
- Anyway, thanks, HV! --Mercury McKinnon 06:53, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- Page looks great ... Nice job, as always, Hardvice! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- I added info from "Late Again", I have more on my user page that can be added but I didn't know how much info and what format to use, as this page seams to have a different format than others like it. -Lөvөl 14:43, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, it does. There's no real "game" aspect to it, so the layouts of primatechpaper.com and corinthianlasvegas.com didn't seem right, and laying it out like Hana's website would have made it way too long. The only thing I'd say about the summaries is that we should keep them succinct, but clear ... we probably ought to expand the summary of Late Again to full sentences and crop it to the most pertinent information. The link is there, so anyone who wants to read the post can do so easily. I'm thinking just enough of a description of the post so that a reader can quickly find the post they're looking for is sufficient. That way, the entry will behave more like an index to the blog, and less like a mirror image of the blog. One thing I think we probably ought to add is the stardates, since lots of people on message boards refer to the posts by stardate (as do some of our own links to the blog from other pages).--Hardvice (talk) 15:15, 14 March 2007 (EDT)
kaiton@primatechpaper.com
So Kaito is definately associated with the Company? This aspect is awesome fyi with the connections to Hana, her "partner", Molly Walker and Hiro. I guess that means Molly is special.--Bob 00:15, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
- I agree--it's a really cool way for Masi and Aron to release a couple potential spoilers. I'm glad they're not just leaving Molly as a dead end, too. That's been annoying me for a while now.--Hardvice (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
- Wow, that last post is wild. I really hope something cool comes of it! — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 05:10, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, I used to toy around with a simple coding program that took ASCII characters and XORed them with a binary key and it spit out similar looking patterns. I'm going to fool with it a bit to see what I can get.--Bob 15:29, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
To Flowers SOLVED => DL!
The puzzle's been solved in the comments to Hiro's blog. — Soleta 11:11, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
They solved the mystery, check out :
- "A picture is 5" -- "Picture" in japanese is "E", E is also the fifth letter.
If we add 3000 hex to each byte (for each dollar add 3000, a dollar = 8bits = 1byte) we end up with codes between 0x3040 and 0x309f. This just happens to fall into the exact range for Hiragana Unicode. Hiragana is a cursive syllabary for Japanese. In fact they translated byte in hex and add 3000 to each and get a japanese string text. Then they used the japanese keyboard to translate each kana into a letter and got chess moves. Here is a recap of the steps :
- 1. Convert the binary bytes (baito) to individual hexadecimal, similar to how 3000 is the hex value for the stardate of 12288.
- 2. Add 3000 in hexadecimal to each 2-digit hex byte. Conveniently, since they are all two-digits, they add easily, so the first byte 44, becomes 3044.
- 3. Convert these now 4-digit hex values into the Unicode text equivalent, which just happens to get you a whole bunch of Japanese Hiragana. This can be done easily by typing the 4-digit number in wordpad, highlighting it, then pressing Alt+X. You will probably need the some sort of Japanese language pack to get it to display correctly, I installed it before I tried it so I don't know. NOTE: I was the first to get to this step.
- 4. Go to a Japanese keyboard and write down the corresponding english letters and numbers corresponding to the Japanese characters you found.
- 5. Play a game of chess. Looking at a chess board from the white side, the Columns are labeled A-H and the Rows 1-8, with 1 being closest to the white side. This can be done manually or with a free chess program like Chessbase Lite.
- 6. The moves will put the pieces in a shape to spell out D L.
E2-E4 H7-H5 D2-D4 A7-A5 G2-G4 H5-G4 H2-H3 G4-H3 H1-H3 B7-B5 B1-C3 C7-C5 D4-D5 E7-E6 D5-E6 F8-D6 H3-H8 D8-G5 C3-D5 E8-D8 F1-E2 G5-C1 E6-F7 C1-C2 E1-F1 C2-B2 D1-E1 B2-A1 D5-E3 D8-C7 F2-F4 A1-A2 H8-G8 A2-F7 G8-G7 D6-F4 G7-H7 F7-E6 F1-G2 E6-A6 H7-H4 F4-D6 G2-F1 C7-B7 H4-H1 B7-A7 The sequence paired off into what could be chess moves.. 1. e2 e4 White pawn to e4 2. h7-h5 Black pawn to h5 3. d2-d4 White pawn to d4 4. a7-a5 Black pawn to a5 5. g2-g4 White pawn to g4 6. h5xg4 Black pawn captures g4 See the results of the first six turns.
When playing the games, the black team seems to win, all the pieces go to their place and write these 2 letters: DL check out!. So what's next... let's see! -- FrenchFlo (talk) 11:15, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Wow! That's an awesome solution to an awesome riddle! --Mercury McKinnon 11:31, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Hmmm. So this was solved today, April 1, and nobody's able to replicate it exactly?--Hardvice (talk) 13:28, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- What do you mean by nobody's been able to replicate it. I mean, I'm not going through all those tedious steps, I'll leave that task to somebody else. But is this solution bunk? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- The "use a Japanese keyboard to translate the letters/numbers to English" step is highly suspect. There are multiple Japanese layouts for English keyboards. As far as I've seen on the message boards, nobody has as yet been able to follow these instructions and get the same results. I'm not sold on it being a prank, but I gave serious thought to coming up with a prank solution as an April Fool's Day joke. The solution does have a lot going for it: hiragana characters are in the 3000 range on unicode. But until somebody comes up with a more helpful way to convert the kanji to Roman letters, I'm suspicious.--Hardvice (talk) 13:47, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, it's just not working out for me, either. The first byte is 01000100. This converts to 68 in decimal. Adding 3000 is 3068. 3068 in unicode is the Hiragana for "to" (と). On either the JIS or Microsoft Hiragana keboard layout, "to" is assigned to the s key, not the e key. Also, some of the bytes convert to unicode characters that don't represent Hiragana. (3097, for example, is a Telugu character--an Indian script). There's no "s" in chess notation. I'm not saying it doesn't work; I'm just saying the solution lacks enough detail to be replicated. It's good to note that up until the unicode conversion, things seem very promising: there are only 16 different bytes, which would be perfect for chess notation. Unless I'm just missing something...--Hardvice (talk) 15:17, 1 April 2007 (EDT)- I was converting the binary to decimal and adding 3000. Apparently you have to convert it to hex and add 3000. Working on that now.--Hardvice (talk) 16:13, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Well I can't help in confirming how they got to that point, DL is the correct answer. E-mailing dlh@primatechpaper.com gets you a response from Future Hiro.--Leshia 17:04, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- It is in fact all correct. Here it is step-by-step:
- Well I can't help in confirming how they got to that point, DL is the correct answer. E-mailing dlh@primatechpaper.com gets you a response from Future Hiro.--Leshia 17:04, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- I was converting the binary to decimal and adding 3000. Apparently you have to convert it to hex and add 3000. Working on that now.--Hardvice (talk) 16:13, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- What do you mean by nobody's been able to replicate it. I mean, I'm not going through all those tedious steps, I'll leave that task to somebody else. But is this solution bunk? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
break into bytes:
01000100 01110101 01000100 01000110 01001111 10000100 01001111 01001000 01010111 01110101 01010111 01000110 01100001 10000100 01100001 01001000 01001101 01110101 01001101 01000110 01001111 01001000 01001101 01000110 01001111 01110101 01001111 01000010 01001101 01000110 01001111 01000010 01001111 01101100 01001111 01000010 01010011 10000100 01010011 01001000 01010011 01101100 01011101 01000010 01011101 10000100 01011101 01001000 01010111 01000110 01010111 01001000 01000100 10000100 01000100 01001010 01010111 01001000 01000100 01001010 01101111 10000110 01010111 01001010 01001111 01000010 01001111 10000110 01010111 10000110 01001101 01001000 01011101 01000010 01010111 01001000 01000100 10000110 01010111 10000110 01101111 01101100 01000100 01110101 01001101 01001000 01011101 01101100 01000100 01001010 01101111 10000100 01011101 01101100 01011101 01110101 01000100 01101100 01101111 01101100 01011101 01110101 01010011 01110101 01010111 01101100 01000100 01101100 01010011 01110101 01100001 01101100 01010111 01001000 01000100 01000010 01010111 10000110 01011101 10000100 01101111 01110101 01101111 01000110 01100001 01101100 01100001 01110101 01001111 10000110 01001101 10000110 01100001 01110101 01101111 10000100 01001101 10000110 01001101 10000100 01010111 01001010 01101111 01000110 01001101 10000100 01001111 10000100 01101111 10000100 01000100 01001010 01101111 01101100 01001101 01110101 01000100 01001010 01100001 01001010 01001111 10000100 01001111 01000110 01101111 01000110 01010111 01001010 01001101 01110101 01101111 01101100 01011101 10000100 01010011 10000100 01001111 01000110 01001111 01101100 01010011 10000100 01100001 10000100
convert binary to hex:
44 75 44 46 4F 84 4F 48 57 75 57 46 61 84 61 48 4D 75 4D 46 4F 48 4D 46 4F 75 4F 42 4D 46 4F 42 4F 6C 4F 42 53 84 53 48 53 6C 5D 42 5D 84 5D 48 57 46 57 48 44 84 44 4A 57 48 44 4A 6F 86 57 4A 4F 42 4F 86 57 86 4D 48 5D 42 57 48 44 86 57 86 6F 6C 44 75 4D 48 5D 6C 44 4A 6F 84 5D 6C 5D 75 44 6C 6F 6C 5D 75 53 75 57 6C 44 6C 53 75 61 6C 57 48 44 42 57 86 5D 84 6F 75 6F 46 61 6C 61 75 4F 86 4D 86 61 75 6F 84 4D 86 4D 84 57 4A 6F 46 4D 84 4F 84 6F 84 44 4A 6F 6C 4D 75 44 4A 61 4A 4F 84 4F 46 6F 46 57 4A 4D 75 6F 6C 5D 84 53 84 4F 46 4F 6C 53 84 61 84
add 3000:
3044 3075 3044 3046 304F 3084 304F 3048 3057 3075 3057 3046 3061 3084 3061 3048 304D 3075 304D 3046 304F 3048 304D 3046 304F 3075 304F 3042 304D 3046 304F 3042 304F 306C 304F 3042 3053 3084 3053 3048 3053 306C 305D 3042 305D 3084 305D 3048 3057 3046 3057 3048 3044 3084 3044 304A 3057 3048 3044 304A 306F 3086 3057 304A 304F 3042 304F 3086 3057 3086 304D 3048 305D 3042 3057 3048 3044 3086 3057 3086 306F 306C 3044 3075 304D 3048 305D 306C 3044 304A 306F 3084 305D 306C 305D 3075 3044 306C 306F 306C 305D 3075 3053 3075 3057 306C 3044 306C 3053 3075 3061 306C 3057 3048 3044 3042 3057 3086 305D 3084 306F 3075 306F 3046 3061 306C 3061 3075 304F 3086 304D 3086 3061 3075 306F 3084 304D 3086 304D 3084 3057 304A 306F 3046 304D 3084 304F 3084 306F 3084 3044 304A 306F 306C 304D 3075 3044 304A 3061 304A 304F 3084 304F 3046 306F 3046 3057 304A 304D 3075 306F 306C 305D 3084 3053 3084 304F 3046 304F 306C 3053 3084 3061 3084
Convert hex to unicode characters:
い ふ い う く や く え し ふ し う ち や ち え き ふ き う く え き う く ふ く あ き う く あ く ぬ く あ こ や こ え こ ぬ そ あ そ や そ え し う し え い や い お し え い お は ゆ し お く あ く ゆ し ゆ き え そ あ し え い ゆ し ゆ は ぬ い ふ き え そ ぬ い お は や そ ぬ そ ふ い ぬ は ぬ そ ふ こ ふ し ぬ い ぬ こ ふ ち ぬ し え い あ し ゆ そ や は ふ は う ち ぬ ち ふ く ゆ き ゆ ち ふ は や き ゆ き や し お は う き や く や は や い お は ぬ き ふ い お ち お く や く う は う し お き ふ は ぬ そ や こ や く う く ぬ こ や ち や
Use the JIS keyboard layout to convert the hiragana to Roman type:
E 2 E 4 H 7 H 5 D 2 D 4 A 7 A 5 G 2 G 4 H 5 G 4 H 2 H 3 G 4 H 3 H 1 H 3 B 7 B 5 B 1 C 3 C 7 C 5 D 4 D 5 E 7 E 6 D 5 E 6 F 8 D 6 H 3 H 8 D 8 G 5 C 3 D 5 E 8 D 8 F 1 E 2 G 5 C 1 E 6 F 7 C 1 C 2 E 1 F 1 C 2 B 2 D 1 E 1 B 2 A 1 D 5 E 3 D 8 C 7 F 2 F 4 A 1 A 2 H 8 G 8 A 2 F 7 G 8 G 7 D 6 F 4 G 7 H 7 F 7 E 6 F 1 G 2 E 6 A 6 H 7 H 4 F 4 D 6 G 2 F 1 C 7 B 7 H 4 H 1 B 7 A 7
...and then play out the chess moves. I have images of each move if people think that would be helpful.--Hardvice (talk) 17:12, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Can someone clean up this "solution" to put on the article? The last attempt didn't really say anything. Honestly, I still don't think this is the solution, it's too vague and looks like someone trying to find a solution out of some drawn out process.--Bob 18:00, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
I stand corrected. If you email DLH@primatechpaper.com, you get the following message:
Hana, I must minimize communications now as I discovered there is a traitor among us. I hope to find him or her and shut the traitor down. If you need to reach me, you can find me at 215 Reed St. #7, New York, New York 10010. As always, thank you for your help and please tell your partner, "karadanikiotsuketekudasai". For Charlie, Hiro P.S. Tell D.L. that he needs to get new clothes (^o^) ======
Interesting stuff. --Bob 18:06, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
I updated the page to show most of the steps. --User:MiamiVolts 18:10, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Here they all are in one image:
215 Reed Street doesn't actually exist, according to Google Maps. Reed Street only goes up to 99, which is a T-intersection at Conover Street in an area called Red Hook, which is actually in Brooklyn. It's very near Governor's Island. Unless it correlates to a place in the Heroes universe that I'm not familiar with (where is Isaac's apartment, again?) then it's probably nothing. —Soleta 18:39, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- According to 9th Wonders!, that is in fact Isaac's address, which they label "Lower Manhattan" in the show.--Hardvice (talk) 18:43, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Serves me right for not checking... So, yeah, Google labels that as Brooklyn. —Soleta 18:50, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
- Wow this is crazycool. The "To Flower" solution should probably be moved to it's own page because it is so big. -Lөvөl 17:42, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- Hehe, I assume you didn't played the LOST ARG this summer, that was muuuuuuuuuuuch bigger! Including such as 25websites full of pass/hack/video fragment to combine, fake TV pub, text hidding in ASCII image, a Hanso's guy was interviewed on TV as if we had the Company leader in a REAL talk show, that was BIG! I wish this ARG will be as good as the LOST's one, we ll have to wait for this summer to know. In other hand, the LOST's ARG was so complex, full of contents, that if you didn't read the posts every day, you could get lost in 2days. There where so much thing to do, crack, edit, hack and convert! But ok, I admit the level of this one isn't easy, that's good, I like it, reminds me the good time... I could speak about the LOST's ARG for 1day hehehe! :) -- FrenchFlo (talk) 17:58, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- I agree Flo, however this one seems slower since there is approximately 1-2 revelations per week, as opposed to 1-2 revelations per day on TLE. Maybe TPTB are pacing themselves...Disney42 19:43, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- Hehe, I assume you didn't played the LOST ARG this summer, that was muuuuuuuuuuuch bigger! Including such as 25websites full of pass/hack/video fragment to combine, fake TV pub, text hidding in ASCII image, a Hanso's guy was interviewed on TV as if we had the Company leader in a REAL talk show, that was BIG! I wish this ARG will be as good as the LOST's one, we ll have to wait for this summer to know. In other hand, the LOST's ARG was so complex, full of contents, that if you didn't read the posts every day, you could get lost in 2days. There where so much thing to do, crack, edit, hack and convert! But ok, I admit the level of this one isn't easy, that's good, I like it, reminds me the good time... I could speak about the LOST's ARG for 1day hehehe! :) -- FrenchFlo (talk) 17:58, 2 April 2007 (EDT)
- So it was solved as DL. What does that mean...just a wild goose chase to find the letter DL, or is there a part that DL is playing that is important?--ASEO 16:47, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- If you check the article, DLH is the e-mail to contact Hana. There's been an e-mail for each of the recent puzzles, except for For Fun puzzle, because Hiro has been forced into hiding. In the e-mail, we learn that Hiro suspects they have a traitor in their midst. And based on the episode Five Years Gone, we can theorize that Hiro is telling Hana he suspects DL's new identity has been compromised and that she should tell him to get a new one (get new clothes).--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:04, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Last Puzzle
So the last puzzle has been ... well, not quite solved, but the email address has been discovered by force (it's charliea@primatechpaper.com). However, nobody can explain how to get there from the clues given. Any ideas? How should we treat the new email? I'm inclined to not post it if we can't explain the solution.--Hardvice (talk) 18:41, 24 April 2007 (EDT)
Sending an email to charliea@primatechpaper.com gets the following message:
Hana,
This might be my final message to you. After many years, I finally found the target time! October 4, 2006. The chain reaction that this will cause should fix all that has gone wrong. Should being the operative word. This is our only hope. It's ironic that Trunks wrote those words on his time machine. I now know how he felt.
This rift is not a risk. It can't be. I've been working on it for years to find the right moment. It's been a herculean effort. The last five years have led up to this.
I can't believe it's finally over. I can save the world. Well, at least in one timeline.
If I don't return, I have failed in my mission. Get rid of everything in the loft. Clean it out. You, must continue. Keep hope alive and may the world be a better place. Please.
For Charlie, Hiro
- I think you're looking at this too hard. I like how one poster to the blog put it:
The disguise, or mask, that is used is of the person who is bound by fate, or fortune, to be on death row. So to arrive at the already guessed-at solution, the person who is bound by fate to die is Charlie Andrews (her fate was to have a fatal brain tumor), which means Hiro's "disguised" username is charliea, and the email address is charliea@primatechpaper.com--MiamiVolts 18:24, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
- No comments? I guess I'll post this solution since there are no objections.--MiamiVolts 00:18, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I didn't want to say anything, because I was waiting for a better solution. This one sounds kind of ... half-assed.--Hardvice (talk) 00:21, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks for being frank about it, though I'm not sure there's a better solution... sometimes a word is just a word. However, I've no problem waiting an extra day and then post this solution if there's not a better one by then. That's what I'll do.--MiamiVolts 00:28, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, it bugs me we can't really post anything yet, and that solution works, but it totally feels like it was derived backwards, if you know what I mean. It's like reading apologetics, like working backwards from a solution, you know?--Hardvice (talk) 00:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I agree that the solution was derived not through the puzzle, but you can see the logic in the email address's derivation from the puzzle. It should at least be explained that the email address was derived from brute force.--Bob 00:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I do realize where you're coming from. Also, the other puzzles were much more involved, so there could be more. I'll try once more. Perhaps this is proof enough:
One of the past blog entries is titled 'Bound By Death and Luck', and 'fortune' could also mean 'luck'. There's only one row which contains the word 'death' (death row):
times, we used a courier to tell truth. Analogous to death, invisibility to many familiar people. The irony.
So it's someone who's very close/familiar to Hiro, and someone who was on death row whose ailment is invisible (a brain tumour). So the mask/e-mail name has to be Charlie's.--MiamiVolts 01:40, 26 April 2007 (EDT)- It's probably not a coincidence that this is around Charlie's birthday, but how does it all fit together? -Lөvөl 12:58, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- To illustrate my point about this feeling forced, here's a randomly selected line from the nearest book I have at hand (The Cat Who Walks Through Walls by Robert Heinlein):
- I do realize where you're coming from. Also, the other puzzles were much more involved, so there could be more. I'll try once more. Perhaps this is proof enough:
- I agree that the solution was derived not through the puzzle, but you can see the logic in the email address's derivation from the puzzle. It should at least be explained that the email address was derived from brute force.--Bob 00:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Yeah, it bugs me we can't really post anything yet, and that solution works, but it totally feels like it was derived backwards, if you know what I mean. It's like reading apologetics, like working backwards from a solution, you know?--Hardvice (talk) 00:32, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Thanks for being frank about it, though I'm not sure there's a better solution... sometimes a word is just a word. However, I've no problem waiting an extra day and then post this solution if there's not a better one by then. That's what I'll do.--MiamiVolts 00:28, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I didn't want to say anything, because I was waiting for a better solution. This one sounds kind of ... half-assed.--Hardvice (talk) 00:21, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
Presently, Mr. Mao drummed on his desk and said, "Major,
- In the real world, Chairman Mao is the author of The Little Red Book. This means that the email address we're looking for is the name of a red-headed person with whom Hiro had a major relationship. "Presently" refers to the birthday present Hiro gave her--the Japanese phrase book. A drum can refer to a large trash can; Charlie was opening a can when she was killed by Sylar. A "desk" can be a counter where one goes to have questions answered or ask for information--a reference to Charlie's power.
It all fits, but that doesn't make it correct.--Hardvice (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT)- The difference is that the blog entry I selected is not random, and it only has one row in which the word death is mentioned. As for choosing the words invisibility and familiar, I can see how you might think that is forced. Though, these words are bound by the words 'to many', and 'too many' could mean 'fortune'. I'll think about it some more.--MiamiVolts 13:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- So is there still not wanting to post at least the answer to the last puzzle? I get (from the lack of reply) that there is non-agreement about the means to the answer; but the answer is solid, isn't it?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:30, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think we may as well post it, since no good answer seems to be forthcoming, but we should make clear that the answer was guessed, and that "possible" solutions include the apologistic solutions. None of them really seems to account for everything, and none of them feels anywhere near as solid as the previous answers.--Hardvice (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- Alright, I've posted my puzzle solution and noted that the answer was found originally by force. If someone finds a better solution, we can alter this laters.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- I think we may as well post it, since no good answer seems to be forthcoming, but we should make clear that the answer was guessed, and that "possible" solutions include the apologistic solutions. None of them really seems to account for everything, and none of them feels anywhere near as solid as the previous answers.--Hardvice (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
- So is there still not wanting to post at least the answer to the last puzzle? I get (from the lack of reply) that there is non-agreement about the means to the answer; but the answer is solid, isn't it?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:30, 1 May 2007 (EDT)
- The difference is that the blog entry I selected is not random, and it only has one row in which the word death is mentioned. As for choosing the words invisibility and familiar, I can see how you might think that is forced. Though, these words are bound by the words 'to many', and 'too many' could mean 'fortune'. I'll think about it some more.--MiamiVolts 13:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- In the real world, Chairman Mao is the author of The Little Red Book. This means that the email address we're looking for is the name of a red-headed person with whom Hiro had a major relationship. "Presently" refers to the birthday present Hiro gave her--the Japanese phrase book. A drum can refer to a large trash can; Charlie was opening a can when she was killed by Sylar. A "desk" can be a counter where one goes to have questions answered or ask for information--a reference to Charlie's power.
"For Fun" puzzle
I haven't found any mention or discussion of the message in the crossword puzzle. Am I missing something? Diaphane 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I assumed it really was 'just for fun' and didn't have a point in and of itself.--MiamiVolts 02:02, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- If you mean the alleged "Get Isaac-san" message, it's because it's more likely a coincidence than a message ... especially considering that Isaac-san is five years dead by the time Hiro is writing the puzzle.--Hardvice (talk) 04:05, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I doubt it is a coincidence. It's likely that Future Hiro was telling [Future] Hana about his plan. He told her that he was going to visit Peter Petrelli and tell him to "Get Isaac-san."--Ice Vision
- But he didn't tell Peter that. He told Peter to save the cheerleader, and to "see the painter".--Hardvice (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Future Hiro said "The painter, Isaac. Go to him. He will know." I don't think he planned on saying the exact words. The message included him telling Peter to go to Isaac. It means the same thing.--Ice Vision
- "Get" means the same as "go to"?--Hardvice (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Not necessarily, but sometimes it does mean the same thing. And this time, it seems that way.
- So why's he telling it to Future Hana? It's not like present-day Peter is going to read the crossword puzzle, nor does Hana need to know the message, nor is she in any way capable of "getting" or "going to" Isaac herself, nor is there any context by which she can be made to understand that "When I say 'Get Isaac-san', I mean that that's a small part of the message I'm going to deliver to Peter Petrelli five years in the past", nor does she even know that he's going to deliver a message to Peter in the past until the next email. It's possible to make it a "message" that means something, but it takes a pretty huge leap of logic to do so. It just doesn't fit with the chronology of his messages, with his intended recipient's needs or present knowledge, or with the actual content of his message very well.--Hardvice (talk) 14:54, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I'm just afraid we're looking too deeply into something that's simply not there. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:47, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- So why's he telling it to Future Hana? It's not like present-day Peter is going to read the crossword puzzle, nor does Hana need to know the message, nor is she in any way capable of "getting" or "going to" Isaac herself, nor is there any context by which she can be made to understand that "When I say 'Get Isaac-san', I mean that that's a small part of the message I'm going to deliver to Peter Petrelli five years in the past", nor does she even know that he's going to deliver a message to Peter in the past until the next email. It's possible to make it a "message" that means something, but it takes a pretty huge leap of logic to do so. It just doesn't fit with the chronology of his messages, with his intended recipient's needs or present knowledge, or with the actual content of his message very well.--Hardvice (talk) 14:54, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Not necessarily, but sometimes it does mean the same thing. And this time, it seems that way.
- "Get" means the same as "go to"?--Hardvice (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- Future Hiro said "The painter, Isaac. Go to him. He will know." I don't think he planned on saying the exact words. The message included him telling Peter to go to Isaac. It means the same thing.--Ice Vision
- But he didn't tell Peter that. He told Peter to save the cheerleader, and to "see the painter".--Hardvice (talk) 13:20, 26 April 2007 (EDT)
- I doubt it is a coincidence. It's likely that Future Hiro was telling [Future] Hana about his plan. He told her that he was going to visit Peter Petrelli and tell him to "Get Isaac-san."--Ice Vision
Hiro's blog is gone
Hiro's blog has apparently been removed from NBC's website. Fortunately, many have done the work of cataloging his entries on this page. As a latecomer to the Heroes fan base, this page has been the only way I have been able to read his entries. If anyone knows if the location of Hiro's blog has changed, help us out by posting the new address.--Mtundu 01:24, 13 January 2009 (EST)