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Descriptions
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Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine inflammation's name.
Source/Explanation
The descriptive name "inflammation", which seems to describe the effects of Toby's ability, was decided through a consensus check..

Heating (Mrs. Comey, Toby): The ability to produce heat from the body. -- Mike the Man-child!

  • Not really, nothing indicates that he causes pain with heat, a burning pain is an intense pain, just that. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:13, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Pain production?
      • Pain Induction sounds best to me
        • Excruciation? It means the same things... But maybe you just want the actual word. Nevermind.

User:Shadowulf1 16:06, 10 December 2009 (EST)

  • I must say, excruciation has a nice ring to it, and it is (so far as we know) entirely accurate. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 17:44, 10 December 2009 (EST)
    • Yeah, I agree. I would approve of this name as well. --OutbackZack 17:06, 11 December 2009 (EST)
      • I don't oppose this name, but I am concerned about it not including the "burning" aspect of the ability. The examples section says that it also causes skin eruptions. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:34, 11 December 2009 (EST)
Then why not just call the ability Burning? I know it sounds too simple, but it's right to point and describes everything. If there's a "fancy" word for it then that's cool too. --OutbackZack 21:56, 11 December 2009 (EST)
            • Skin inflammation? Green.gif AltesUTC CH 06:35, 12 December 2009 (EST)
              • I don't follow the iStory, so does the pain caused by Toby's ability immediately vanish once he stops using his power or does it cause some lasting damage?--Referos 10:04, 12 December 2009 (EST)
                • Rachel just got too close to Toby, who may not have spotted her at all, so I don't know. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 10:11, 12 December 2009 (EST)
                  • That would just be something we would note in the limits section. I actually do like Skim inflammation, because it does cover every aspect of the ability. --OutbackZack 15:45, 12 December 2009 (EST)
  • Bump. It seems like we have 3 possible names. I'm mostly for Skin inflammation. Anyone agree or disagree?--OutbackZack 09:04, 15 December 2009 (EST)
    • Skin inflammation works for me.--Ratclaws 09:11, 15 December 2009 (EST)
      • Let's try a consensus check then.--Referos 12:32, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Consensus check: Toby's ability, 15/12/2009

Remember to put your signature on items that you oppose, not the ones that you find the best, along with a justification for your opposition. If your are "okay" with a name, leave it alone, do not oppose it because another name is better. If all suggested names receive a valid opposition, this page will remain as "Toby's ability". For more information, see the help page on consensus checks.--Referos 12:32, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Heating

  1. Just because the pain feels like a burn doesn't mean that Toby actually burns skin with heating--Referos 12:32, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Pain production

As far as causing pain in concerned, "excruciation" works better. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 15 December 2009 (EST)
"A" is better than "B" is not a valid reason for opposition. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:18, 15 December 2009 (EST)
  1. Doesn't describe the physical burning of the skin. --OutbackZack 14:09, 15 December 2009 (EST)

Pain induction

As far as causing pain in concerned, "excruciation" works better. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:22, 15 December 2009 (EST)
"A" is better than "B" is not a valid reason for opposition. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 16:18, 15 December 2009 (EST)
  1. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 13:23, 15 December 2009 (EST)
  2. Doesn't describe the physical burning of the skin. --OutbackZack

Excruciation

  1. Does not describe any of the physical affects (Coopers burnt skin) of the power, just the pain.--Ratclaws 18:05, 16 December 2009 (EST)
    It can, however, be understood as a consequence of that, the burn being excruciating. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:09, 16 December 2009 (EST)
    I'm on the fence with this name. "Excruciation" kinda works, but I'm not sure it takes into consideration the burning or skin eruptions.--Referos 18:45, 16 December 2009 (EST)

Burning

Implies physical fire-based burning similar to pyrokinesis and spontaneous combustion. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:49, 15 December 2009 (EST)
Burning is the key term used to describe the affects of the ability in the istory yet there was not mention of fire. So "Burning" is still a usable name. --OutbackZack 16:15, 15 December 2009 (EST)
  1. "Burning" doesn't cover how Toby could create skin eruptions (which are a form of inflammation rather than physical burn).--Referos 14:27, 16 December 2009 (EST)

Skin inflammation

  1. It may not be specifically skin, in which case simply "inflammation" would be better. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:49, 15 December 2009 (EST)
    "Inflammation" is too vague, we haven't seen Toby affect anything other than people's skin. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 12:05, 18 December 2009 (EST)

Other (please add)

Inflammation
  1. Too vague, we haven't seen Toby affect anything other than people's skin. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 12:05, 18 December 2009 (EST)
    Actually, we have: he could burn Rachel's throat.--Referos 12:39, 18 December 2009 (EST)
    It's still the same epithelial tissue. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 02:17, 19 December 2009 (EST)


Notes/Comments

*I've removed the oppositions on pain induction and pain production since a name being better is not a valid reason to oppose a name. See the help page for details.--Referos 13:42, 15 December 2009 (EST)

  • Ugh, I thought we got rid of opposition-based concensus? It's way too easy for everything to be defeated by trivial means. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 15:49, 15 December 2009 (EST)
    • Strength of argument counts more than quantity, and we can counter argument as well. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:56, 15 December 2009 (EST)
      • Yeah, I think it works better.--Referos 14:27, 16 December 2009 (EST)
  • Just to make sure you guys know, I added Inflammation under the 'Other (please add)' list. --OutbackZack 17:40, 16 December 2009 (EST)
    • Bump. I guess it's time to vote between Inflammation and Excruciation. Right?--OutbackZack 10:59, 18 December 2009 (EST)
      • I'm okay with it. 3 days have passed and the discussion seems to have died out.--Referos 11:44, 18 December 2009 (EST)

Vote

It's been several days and two names are left. So according to guidelines we now vote on the names. The name with the most votes become the name for the ability. --OutbackZack 10:24, 19 December 2009 (EST)

  • Ah, but naming an ability is a matter of consensus, not a matter of vote. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 10:37, 19 December 2009 (EST)
    • Actually you vote if there's more than one name to pick from. It's been done before. --OutbackZack 10:39, 19 December 2009 (EST)
    • Yes, since two names remained without opposition, it means that these two were considered adequate. Which to choose now is simply a matter of personal preference, so a simple vote is needed to finish the consensus check.
  • I guess this will be the last day to vote since a few days have already passed. --OutbackZack 11:01, 21 December 2009 (EST)
    • Per the result of the consensus check, I think we can confidently rename this to "Inflammation" now.--Referos 20:10, 21 December 2009 (EST)

Inflammation

  1. --OutbackZack 10:24, 19 December 2009 (EST)
  2. -- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:26, 19 December 2009 (EST)
  3. --TanderixUTCR 16:36 (Italy), 19 December 2009 (EST)
  4. --Ratclaws 13:03, 19 December 2009 (EST)
  5. --Referos 13:36, 19 December 2009 (EST)
  6. --Boom D  12  14:02, 19 December 2009 (EST)
  7. --Hiroman 19:50, 19 December 2009
  8. --Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 21:14, 21 December 2009 (EST)

Excruciation

  1. --Leckie -- Talk 14:08, 19 December 2009 (EST)