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==Need for Page==
==Need for Page==
* I'm not sure if we need this article yet.  It's already noted at [[Niki Sanders]], and since we have no confirmation that it's the character's name in-show yet, it's probably better to leave it as a note for now.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] 12:09, 4 November 2006 (EST)
* I'm not sure if we need this article yet.  It's already noted at [[Niki Sanders]], and since we have no confirmation that it's the character's name in-show yet, it's probably better to leave it as a note for now.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] 12:09, 4 November 2006 (EST)
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So we have "Jessica Sanders" and "Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister)".  Anyone besides me feel these should be named "Jessica" and "Jessica Sanders", respectively?  For one, the deceased Jessica should take priority over the split-personality Jessica name-wise due to her... well, being real.  In addition, we don't call Gina "Gina Sanders".  Methinks the split personality should be referred to as "Jessica", and the real, deceased sister as "Jessica Sanders". [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 20:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
So we have "Jessica Sanders" and "Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister)".  Anyone besides me feel these should be named "Jessica" and "Jessica Sanders", respectively?  For one, the deceased Jessica should take priority over the split-personality Jessica name-wise due to her... well, being real.  In addition, we don't call Gina "Gina Sanders".  Methinks the split personality should be referred to as "Jessica", and the real, deceased sister as "Jessica Sanders". [[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] 20:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
* I don't. Jessica (the alter ego) has been called "Jessica Sanders" numerous times. One that comes to mind is in ''[[The Hard Part]]'', when Jessica and D.L. phase into Linderman's archives, the screen text says "Jessica Sanders and D.L. Hawkins". Ditto ''[[Homecoming]]'', when Jessica is shooting in the desert. Besides that, there are [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Jessica|more than 500 pages]] that link to [[Jessica]], and another [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Jessica Sanders|150 pages]] that link to [[Jessica Sanders]], and every one of them refers to the alter ego. She's a main character played by a principal cast member, and since there are two characters with the exact same name, I think her character would deserve the direct link. Ultimately, it comes down to this: most people who come here search for "Jessica Sanders" are expecting to get the alter ego, not the dead sister. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:33, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
* I don't. Jessica (the alter ego) has been called "Jessica Sanders" numerous times. One that comes to mind is in ''[[The Hard Part]]'', when Jessica and D.L. phase into Linderman's archives, the screen text says "Jessica Sanders and D.L. Hawkins". Ditto ''[[Episode:Homecoming|Homecoming]]'', when Jessica is shooting in the desert. Besides that, there are [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Jessica|more than 500 pages]] that link to [[Jessica]], and another [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Jessica Sanders|150 pages]] that link to [[Jessica Sanders]], and every one of them refers to the alter ego. She's a main character played by a principal cast member, and since there are two characters with the exact same name, I think her character would deserve the direct link. Ultimately, it comes down to this: most people who come here search for "Jessica Sanders" are expecting to get the alter ego, not the dead sister. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:33, 29 October 2008 (EDT)


== Jessica with enhanced strength? ==
== Jessica with enhanced strength? ==
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== WHERE ON EARTH ==
== WHERE ON EARTH ==
Where is niki's character history in season 2 and in one of us one of them
Where is niki's character history in season 2 and in one of us one of them--[[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 17:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)
:In Niki's page, Jessica made no appearances in season two. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:45, 25 December 2008 (EST)
 
: Thats right .DUH sorry about that [[User:Gabriel Bishop|Gabriel Bishop]] 15:35, 26 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop
 
==Proposed Merge==
*I propose that Jessica is merged into Niki's article, mainly because it is the SAME character, just a personality of Niki's coming through... I find it too confusing that they are seen as two different main characters. :S [[User:01lander|01lander]] 10:18, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
** I think it's important to note the differences in two different articles. Even the screen text during episodes would at times distinguish between Niki and Jessica. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:49, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
 
== First Appearance ==
 
What exactly denotes her first appearance as in [[Better Halves]]? Jessica was seen in [[Genesis]] (though not in person) and we actually saw her emerge in [[Collision]] when she threatens Linderman's gaurd (we heard her speak for the first time in that episode, too). So, just because we learned her name in Better Halves does not mean its her first appearance... --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 01:43, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
* Agreed. -- [[User:Altes|Altes]] 02:50, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
 
==Name==
Why is this article called "Jessica ''Sanders''"? Jessica is not even a real person, she is just a part of Niki's mind, and if we do insist on giving her the same surname as Niki, then Gina should be the same, no? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 18:10, 20 November 2009 (EST)
 
*Jessica was Nikki's sister, killed by her father. --<span style="background-color: #75c2d0; color: #ffffff; border: 2px solid #011d58; padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius: 4px; font-size: 13px; font-family: Corbel!important;"><b><font color =#011d58><b><font color =#011d58></font></b></font></font></b></b>
<b><font color = #062166>[[User:Yoshi n1|<font color =#011d58>'''Yoshi n1'''</font></b>]] [[Image:Yoshi_egg.jpg|6,5px]] [[User talk:Yoshi n1|<b><font color =#011d58>Talk]]</font><b><font color =#011d58> [[Image:Yoshi_egg.jpg|6,5px]] [[Special:Contributions/Yoshi_n1|<b><font color =#011d58> Contributions</font></b>]]
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**That was [[Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister)]], a completely different character that, as far as we know, has no relation to ''this'' Jessica at all. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 18:14, 20 November 2009 (EST)
***Oh, and apparently this has been brought up before (see above). My bad. -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 18:17, 20 November 2009 (EST)

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Need for Page

  • I'm not sure if we need this article yet. It's already noted at Niki Sanders, and since we have no confirmation that it's the character's name in-show yet, it's probably better to leave it as a note for now.--Hardvice 12:09, 4 November 2006 (EST)
    • Hmm... For my own part I'm on the fence here. On one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other hand we could place "Jessica" specific details here in preparation for when they actually reveal her name in the series and if the name changes we can just rename. I think as more people read blogs and message boards they'll start searching for Jessica so it would be nice to have something here ready for them. Any other opinions out there? (Admin 20:02, 4 November 2006 (EST))

Category Sort Order

  • I want to try to get this article to appear next to the Niki Sanders page in the Category:Evolved Humans listing. However, since "Jessica" was not created with a last name, if I put "|Sanders, Jessica" in the Category definition, it makes the Jessica article appear out of place. Suggestions? Or should this article remain in the "J" section? --Orne 00:42, 11 November 2006 (EST)
    • I suppose we could do the same trick as the disambiguation... we could create a new page "Jessica Sanders", copy all the information from "Jessica" into "Jessica Sanders", put the sorting "|Sanders, Jessica" on the article so it comes in close proximity to "|Sanders, Niki", then put an redirect from "Jessica" into "Jessica Sanders". All of this is predicated on: does Jessica actually think of herself as Jessica Sanders, or as an entirely different person? --Orne 00:45, 11 November 2006 (EST)
      • Rather than creating a new article and cutting and pasting, just use the Move feature. This will automatically move the article, the associated Talk page, as well as create a redirect from the old name to the new name. That being said, I'd currently vote for leaving "Jessica" as the canonical name of the article and creating "Jessica Sanders" as a redirect if we need it since we don't know for certain that Jessica's last name is Sanders, so it'd be better off as a redirect at this point in my opinion. This is assuming there's no simple way to fudge the Category listing so that the names appear next to each other as is. (Admin 01:02, 11 November 2006 (EST))
        • Besides, everybody knows Jessica's last name is "Sylar". everybody drink--Hardvice (talk) 01:07, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Jessica (the alter-ego) vs Jessica (the sister)

  • Last night, it was revealed that Niki had a sister named Jessica, who passed away at the age of 11. Niki was then abused by her father, and developed a repressed split personality which she also named Jessica. I'm worried about changing "Jessica" to a diambiguation page since it is referenced practically everywhere, but what do you all think would be the right way of handling this? Maybe a new page with "Jessica Sanders (deceased)"? --Orne 11:35, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • I'm thinking that, for now, we can just keep them both on the same page. It hasn't been made 100% clear that Jessica is just a split personality (I know, I know--it seems pretty obvious, but technically she could still be possessed or something based on the information we have, even though I really, really hope she isn't). Once it's made more clear, we can deal with it accordingly. My first choice, though it would be the most work, would be to put the Jessica-split-personality info in Niki Sanders and make Jessica Sanders a page about the dead sister, with a note about the alternate personality and a link to her sections on Niki's page. We'd have to change about a zillion links, but it would be the most clear.--Hardvice (talk) 12:33, 28 November 2006 (EST)
      • Agreed. There's still a lot to learn about Jessica and Niki. Niki is definitely an evolved human, though she has only exhibited signs of it as Jessica. Perhaps she has a power that she can summon the dead, and not just Niki. Who knows. Bottom line: leave it the way it is, and let's see what happens. Ultimately, there's not going to be an easy way to distinguish the two, because it's a complex relationship that's taken the entire series to explain, and even then not fully. It's just going to have to be one of those confusing things... Ryangibsonstewart 12:51, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • I would note that in Six Months Ago, Niki's alter ego confronted Hal Sanders and named herself Jessica, his daughter. They may or may not be the same 'soul' (there are various fan theories about). I would agree to leave them as one page for now as the alter ego believes she is the sister that was killed. More information will be revealed in the future. (Jared 1733, 29 November 2006)
  • Perhaps related to the "alter ego vs. dead sister" discussion above, I inserted a note that the Jessica alter ego sees Micah as her son, as well. While this may muddy the above discussion, I believe it is an important piece of information for those that think on where they fall on that question. (Jared 1733, 29 November 2006)

Dead Sister's Info in Character Box

  • This seems like speculation to me. We really don't know if Jessica is the dead sister or just an alternate personality. It's probably best to leave the dead sister's info out until we have more information.--Hardvice (talk) 02:55, 3 December 2006 (EST)
    • I'm uncertain what you are referring to, or the changes you would like to see. Currently, both Niki's alter ego and her dead sister are detailed on this page. Removing the dead sister info would necessitate our splitting the Jessica page into two separate pages. The reason I would say hold off on that for now is the fact that the alter ego named herself as the dead sister to Hal Sanders. Even if the alter ego is not truly Jessica Sanders, the dead sister, she believes she is and seems to have memories that Jessica would and Niki might not (how Hal killed her). (Jared 1300, 3 December 2006 (EST))
      • This is one of those tough distinctions that will never be completely cut and dry. The fact is, Niki has an alter-ego, and Niki also has a deceased sister. I do believe the two should stay on the same page, and we should simply distinguish between them when necessary (like in the info box). Just my opinion - if we change it, I'm not really opposed, either - but I think the info from Jessica (the sister)'s grave needs to be noted somewhere. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2006 (EST)

What if?

I always thought it would be something if Peter got close to Niki/Jessica. Jessica is not really a "power" like flying, but it is definatly something. This glitch in logic would set up a good uluru change. But what if Jessica was in Peters body.... just for a second. The idea would be pretty crazy.

We learned in Run! from Matt that there are two distinct different thought processes coming out of Niki/Jess. Though the guy is still relatively new to the mind reading game, he's had it for at least six months now. I'd imagine he could tell the difference between a person talking to themselves and two distinct psychic signatures. For lack of a better phrase, he 'sensed' two distinct minds on the other side of that wall. One thing we have to look forward to that should greatly reveal the nuts and bolts of what makes Niki/Jess work is when she gets in Peter's proximity. If he doesn't develop a separate personality himself, we'll know for sure that has nothing to do with her special ability. However, for dramatic purposes, were I writing this, I'd have Peter develop an alter with Jessica's more amoral tendencies anyway. Just cuz it'd be a lot of fun. Peter just getting super strength would be boring, but if it came along with an anti-Peter... Come to think of it, isn't Jess paying Nathan a visit next week in New York? Ooh this is gonna be good! -- ZachsMind 14:19, 14 February 2007 (EST)

So if Niki's alter ego was named after her sister, if Peter developed a similar dark side, would it be named Nathan? --Piemanmoo 17:43, 24 April 2007 (EDT)

Gallery

Can we get a picture showing Jessica's tattoo for the gallery? The one with her talking to Niki in the mirror with the Symbol shown would be good, I think. --Ted C 17:24, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Released from prison?

It still seems a bit odd that Niki/Jessica could be released from prison so easily. Even given that Linderman got someone else to confess to the murders she committed outside of prison, she has still has at least two counts of assault and battery against her IN prison (the broken nose guard and Dr. Witherson). Assuming she refused bail, I don't see any reason (beyond a rather hamfisted plot point... sigh) that the prison system would let her out. --Ted C 12:03, 8 February 2007 (EST)

You're right. I think that was purposely left very vague and odd to create a bit of mystery. Left as is, it would seem ham-fisted. There's obviously a lot to learn about Linderman, his organization, and the power he wields. I have a feeling in the coming weeks, there's going to be a lot of aha! moments. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:21, 8 February 2007 (EST)
The build up is that Linderman is very influential as well as quite untouchable. I have my own theories of who Linderman actually is but we still don't know enough. Suffice to say s/he's into blackmail and influencing people to do things his/her way. S/He may not have had to just pay Jessica's way out of jail. S/He simply had a number of strings to pull - people in high up positions who have no choice but to do what s/he says. As Jess is fond of saying, what Linderman wants Linderman gets. His/her/its influence probably delves deeply into a wide range of industries and political sectors. There's also more than one way to hide behind a mask, and Linderman's apparently grasped that concept early on. In fact, whoever the writers tell is us Linderman when they do, I would not be surprised to find that out to be a ruse later on. Someone posing as Linderman to protect the real Linderman. Think Queen Amidala. -- ZachsMind 14:25, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Portuguese Links

...are going to the main page, not the article page. Not sure why.--Hardvice (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2007 (EST)

Great T-shirt for Niki / Jessica

Wouldn't this be a great t-shirt for niki / jessica? http://www.hemmy.net/images/arts/dualmeaning04.jpg --AverageMan 12:34, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Great find--ambigrams are my favorite. I'm such a dork, but I've created an ambigram for each member of my family. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:52, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
  • It would go nicely with this doormat.--Hardvice (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
    • Dang, I can't view that one at work--"R Rated". I'll check it at home. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:24, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
      • That's rediculous. Guess it's the site. It says "Go away" and "Come in" on a doormat--Bob 15:27, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Ha, ambigrams are funny. Still, I wonder if Niki was in control if she would wear the Love or Hate shirt. It would be funny to see her in the love shirt and Jessica pouting in the mirror in the hate shirt. --AverageMan 19:26, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm not so sure...

We have both Niki and Jessica on the list showing as enhanced strength... but I don't think Jessica herself has it. I think she can only use it since she's in Niki's body. Niki is the one we saw on the list... so idk. Thoughts?--Riddler 00:29, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

  • For me it's a moot point since Jessica seems to be able to take over Niki's body any time she wants.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:48, 19 May 2007 (EDT)

Quotes

Do quotes have to be said by the person whose name is on the top of the page? I don't think we need to limit ourselves to just including quotes by Jessica on Jessica's page. For instance, the quote by Linderman (when he describes why she craves money and security) is one of the best descriptions of Jessica in a single sentence. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:07, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

  • I had been operating on the notion that the person whose page it is should be saying something, but I'm open to alternatives. Prevailing opinion? --Ted C 13:46, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
    • In general, sure, the person whose page it is would say something that will shed light on their character. But occasionally, another character might say something truly enlightening about the person, even out of their presence. I just think the point should not be quotes by the person, but quotes that help us understand the character, no matter who says them. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
      • I don't think the quote has to be said by the character. After all, the medical facility doesn't talk, but still has a quote about it. I think the bag and tag page has excellent quotes for it.--Ice Vision 14:03, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Season one history for Jessica

-Is there really a need for a whole other page considering that season one was the only season jessica is in? I figure it makes things a bit more organized but just a thought. Comments? Jason Garrick 19:03, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

  • We don't really know for sure that Jessica will not be back. Since the creators have all but said flat out that we will be seeing more of what happened seven years ago, we might even see her as her younger (not-so-dead) self in Season Two...--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:09, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
  • I agree with the idea that if a character is only mentioned or only appears in one season, they probably don't need an entire page for that history, though it certainly doesn't hurt. However, with the dead/gone main characters especially, there's nothing to say one of them won't pop up again, or won't ever be mentioned again, meaning their history could be extended. Heck, Linderman was mentioned in 11 episodes/GNs before he ever appeared, Eden had 3 posthumous references, and Mr. Petrelli's entire history is for a dead character who has never appeared. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:12, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Jessica's Real Power (theory)

I dont think Jessica is an alter ego of Nikki, I think that Jessica has a ability a astral projection type of power, were her body is dead but her mind or spirit lives on in Nikki. What do you guys think? --Chompy Dude 22:40, September 12, 2007

  • Check out Theories:Evolved_Humans#Niki_Sanders. There are a few theories there that are similar to these and I do remember someone in the past suggesting that Jessica's true power was astral projection. (Admin 23:41, 12 September 2007 (EDT))
  • A board I go to sometimes, someone said that it was revealed at Wizard Universe which is kind of like Comic-Con apparently, never heard of it myself by Kring that Jessica is indeed a seperate entity inside Nikki because her powers allows her to jump bodies. He also implied that the burned up image of Peter that Nathan keeps seeing is because Jessica jumped from Nikki into Nathan. --Snow Leapord 15:58, 18 October 2007 (EDT)
    • So funny I had the same theory stuck in my head, but I never got to it to post it here, but I recently watched another Niki/Jessica episode from Season 1 with Hal Sanders in it and she said: "You don't apologize to Nicole, you apologize to me!" where I got the theory back in my head. I had the same thought of Jessica being a seperate entity because Jessica had the ability to possess somebody else or soul swap (with the other soul of the host stil residing in the hosts body, sorta Astral Projection.) But that could also explain the helix appearing only when Jessica comes out. Also D.L's mother gives a hint, you can't be at two places at the same time or whatever...DarthYotho 10:54, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Separated/moved

Is it just me, or should this be split into two pages? One for the real (dead) Jessica, and one for Niki's alter ego? It's not at all accurate to imply that the Jessica personality is the same as Jessica's "ghost" since it's confirmed that Niki isn't a medium, just a woman with super-strength and a split personality. --Pyramidhead 04:30, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

  • I don't think we know enough of the nature of Jessica's split personality to say that she wasn't actually channeling her dead sister. When Jessica spoke to her father (Six Months Ago), she certainly seemed to know a lot of stuff that Niki didn't know. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:49, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Well, Bob seemed to know that her problem was a standard case of MPD, and it seems like he would know best if anyone did. It just seems awkward to have one page devoted to basically two characters, especially visible in the infobox: (Niki's dead sister, not her alter-ego) --Pyramidhead 18:20, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I agree. We should split it. As much as it COULD be possible that the two Jessicas are the same, I highly doubt it. All the signs of MPD were there. Jessica went away when Niki was strong enough, pills suppressed her, and then there's Gina. If Jessica was really the ghost of Jessica possessing her, then who's Gina, and why is SHE possessing her? Cyfin 10:18, 24 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I think that this article should only be decided to be split or not into two, when we know who the hell is Tracy Strauss, because she may be Jessica Sanders (due to her sudden shock when she manifested freezing).
      • I think we should split it now. It's obviously MPD now, thanks to Season 2, which makes the two characters completely distinct from one another. I'd set one page up as Jessica Sanders and the other as Jessica (Niki's alter-ego).

Oh please, This is Heores not Medium, i hate the idea that they even introduced the concept of ghost with ida walkers power....but anyways, i think its safe to say Niki isnt a medium and Jessica Sanders and Jessica the alter-ego are completely different...one was a real person and one is a psycho-alter-ego-idetity crisis based off that real person--Anthony Gooch 09:47, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Definitely agree on split! Pierre 05:08, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
I'd buy that. Agree --SacValleyDweller (talk) 23:51, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
  • I still think that Jessica's personality could have been implanted into Niki in a method akin to body insertion, and that Gina was standard MPD. But regardless of that, I also think that the page shouldn't be split because all of the attribution is to Jessica. The same thing goes with the Mr. Linderman personality that now inhabits Nathan; the history should go on Mr. Linderman's page, imho, regardless of whether his personality was an implant or whether he's a figment of Nathan's imagination.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:04, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
  • On second thought, I really do think maybe we should split this article. Jessica the Bitch and Jessica the Dead Sister really are two different entities. I mean, we have three articles for Peter: Peter Petrelli, Peter Petrelli (explosion future), and Peter Petrelli (exposed future)--and they're all the same person! I don't see why we shouldn't split this, whether or not Niki just had a classic case of MPD or she really was channeling her dead sister. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:52, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
    • I'm not sure what changed your mind, Ryan. No new evidence has come up, and the future versions of oneself is a separate situation. I already mentioned that Linderman in Nathan is likely a similar situation. And what about splitting Hana the person from Hana the computer personality; and Drucker the person from Drucker the computer personality? Imho, they shouldn't be split.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:38, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I can't say for sure what changed my mind--no new evidence has to come up to update a page that should have been taken care of long ago. Ultimately, it seems really forced to keep the information for an alternate personality and for Niki's sister on the same article, especially when all evidence points to these two entities being different people. For instance, Jessica (Niki's sister) had a birth date and a death date--but Jessica (the alter ego) died when Niki died. There's no evidence that the sister was an evolved human, but the alter ego definitely was. Even if they were the same person (as in Niki channeling her dead sister as a medium would do), there's no harm in having an article for the sister and an article for the channeled spirit from 20 years later. We have separate articles people who exist only a few years in the future, and I'm not sure how that is a separate situation. If you want to discuss Hana and Drucker, that's best done on their talk pages. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:12, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
  • By the way, if we split this page, we won't make this one just "Jessica" since Jessica Sanders primarily refers to the alter ego. The other page would be something like Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister). It's not ideal to use parenthetical notes, but in the situation where we have two characters who go by the same name, sometimes it's necessary. And considering that one character (the alter ego) shows up far more than the other (the sister), the more "popular" one will not have a parenthetical note. Plus, we would have to change hundreds of links throughout the site, which is just no fun. :) It's different than the two Ginas, since neither is overwhelmingly seen more than the other...I'll go ahead and mock up the sister's article now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2008 (EDT)

Description

  • Shouldn't we give this page a description, i mean we have Jessica Sanders (Niki's Sister), shouldn't we call this page something like Jessica Sanders (Niki's alter ego) and then make "Jessica Sanders" (disambig)??
    • Yeah, this page should probably point to Jessica Sanders (disambig). BTW, mystery poster, please sign your post.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:38, 5 October 2008 (EDT)
      • Definitely not. There are more than 300 links to this page (actually, there are 317 links to Jessica Sanders and 349 links to Jessica), every one of which is referring to the alter ego, not the sister. If people type in either one of the terms looking for Niki's sister, they will get this page--Niki's sister is linked in the lead, in the article, and there's a link to the disambig page in the See Also section. I'll go ahead and add a more explicit link to the sister in the See Also section. As for Jessica Sanders (disambig), we already have Jessica (disambig) which lists both characters--why not just use that one? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:46, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

Bringing up old stuff

So we have "Jessica Sanders" and "Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister)". Anyone besides me feel these should be named "Jessica" and "Jessica Sanders", respectively? For one, the deceased Jessica should take priority over the split-personality Jessica name-wise due to her... well, being real. In addition, we don't call Gina "Gina Sanders". Methinks the split personality should be referred to as "Jessica", and the real, deceased sister as "Jessica Sanders". Ricard Desi 20:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I don't. Jessica (the alter ego) has been called "Jessica Sanders" numerous times. One that comes to mind is in The Hard Part, when Jessica and D.L. phase into Linderman's archives, the screen text says "Jessica Sanders and D.L. Hawkins". Ditto Homecoming, when Jessica is shooting in the desert. Besides that, there are more than 500 pages that link to Jessica, and another 150 pages that link to Jessica Sanders, and every one of them refers to the alter ego. She's a main character played by a principal cast member, and since there are two characters with the exact same name, I think her character would deserve the direct link. Ultimately, it comes down to this: most people who come here search for "Jessica Sanders" are expecting to get the alter ego, not the dead sister. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Jessica with enhanced strength?

I'm finding it really weird whenever I'm editing List of abilities, or when I had a look at Category:Characters with Synthetic Abilities, because I keep seeing Jessica with an ability. But, well, she doesn't - the real one certainly doesn't, and the one in Niki's head can't have an ability because she's just an alternate personality. On the other hand, she has access to the ability, so outright removing it doesn't seem like it's a good idea.
I was thinking, though, maybe she should just be removed from lists like those two, and instead of putting "Enhanced Strength (Synthetic)" on this page, maybe put something like "Enhanced strength (from Niki)", something that says she doesn't have the ability but that she has access to it. Would this work at all? --BardinessBoy 09:11, 19 December 2008 (EST)

  • At first, Niki's ability only manifested through Jessica. Jessica really is considered a separate character, and Jessica really does have an ability, just as Future Niki does. Luckily, Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister) doesn't have an ability, and she isn't categorized as such. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:48, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • I agree, it's just....things seem a bit weird. I mean, we say when a characters ability is synthetic, to distingish from people who have it naturally, and the same sorta thing for people like Peter and Sylar who have copied abilities. Yet we just list Jessica as having a synthetic ability, which to me doesn't really make sense cus she didn't get it from being injected with the serum, she got it because Niki has the ability.
      It also seems a bit weird that we list her as seperate person with the ability on the list of abilities, yet in the enhanced strength page itself we've put "Niki/Jessica Sanders", then in the list of abilities with multiple users she's not there, and in the list of evolved humans she's not there at all...then we have Gina who isn't listed as having enhanced strength on her page...it feels a bit inconsistant.
      I also feel like we should use airquotes/speech marks ("") or something when talking about the alternate personality Jessica Sanders on some of those pages, cus it's not the real Jessica, it's an alternate personality who thinks she's her. Or have one of those little numbers to point out it's the alternate personality. I dunno.--BardinessBoy 13:34, 19 December 2008 (EST)
      • i like the idea of using a '/' mark on each page to show that its Jessica AND Niki, and not 2 seperate entities...and for her page what about saying "Enhanced strength (via Niki)"--Anthony Gooch 00:36, 25 December 2008 (EST)
        • Are there any objections to making these changes? --BardinessBoy 23:18, 24 December 2008 (EST)
          • Since "Jessica" is an aspect of Niki Sanders' split personality, there's no reason she should be listed separately. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 23:49, 24 December 2008 (EST)
          • I object to some of the changes that are listed here. Besides the fact that virtually no new information about Jessica and Niki has been revealed to necessitate a change, I don't think it'd be right to make some of those changes. It's important to remember that Jessica and Niki are not separate people, but they are separate characters. It's parallel to the way we treat future characters. If there are inconsistencies (such as being listed in the list of abilities but not being listed on the list of abilities with multiple users), then sure, that should be changed. But I don't think we need use a slash to mark each time they are listed, and certainly not to say "enhanced strength (via Niki)". Also, the reason Gina is not listed as having an ability is because she hasn't demonstrated it. It's not an issue I feel personally very strongly about one way or another. However, you can think of it as kind of like not listing every ability that Peter has been exposed to--logic states that he has it within him, but until he has demonstrated it, we just don't know for sure. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2008 (EST)

WHERE ON EARTH

Where is niki's character history in season 2 and in one of us one of them--Gabriel Bishop 17:09, 25 December 2008 (EST)

In Niki's page, Jessica made no appearances in season two. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:45, 25 December 2008 (EST)
Thats right .DUH sorry about that Gabriel Bishop 15:35, 26 December 2008 (EST) Gabriel Bishop

Proposed Merge

  • I propose that Jessica is merged into Niki's article, mainly because it is the SAME character, just a personality of Niki's coming through... I find it too confusing that they are seen as two different main characters. :S 01lander 10:18, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I think it's important to note the differences in two different articles. Even the screen text during episodes would at times distinguish between Niki and Jessica. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:49, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

First Appearance

What exactly denotes her first appearance as in Better Halves? Jessica was seen in Genesis (though not in person) and we actually saw her emerge in Collision when she threatens Linderman's gaurd (we heard her speak for the first time in that episode, too). So, just because we learned her name in Better Halves does not mean its her first appearance... --Skullman1392 01:43, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

  • Agreed. -- Altes 02:50, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Name

Why is this article called "Jessica Sanders"? Jessica is not even a real person, she is just a part of Niki's mind, and if we do insist on giving her the same surname as Niki, then Gina should be the same, no? -- Tristan0709 talk 18:10, 20 November 2009 (EST)

  • Jessica was Nikki's sister, killed by her father. --

Yoshi n1 6,5px Talk 6,5px Contributions 18:12, 20 November 2009 (EST)

    • That was Jessica Sanders (Niki's sister), a completely different character that, as far as we know, has no relation to this Jessica at all. -- Tristan0709 talk 18:14, 20 November 2009 (EST)
      • Oh, and apparently this has been brought up before (see above). My bad. -- Tristan0709 talk 18:17, 20 November 2009 (EST)