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Source/Explanation
Eric Doyle asks Michael about his lasers (Doyle).

Rename

Laser manipulation would require a laser to exist in the first place. I don't think Michael is manipulating lasers--in fact the article never mentions manipulation again after the title. I think there's a better name for this ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:48, 14 October 2008 (EDT)

  • So, laser generation? Laser creation? Let's have a discussion for this name. Radicell 06:50, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
    • "Laser generation" is a good start. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 06:54, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
      • I agree with Ryan. He doesn't manipulate them, he creates them. I'd say Laser generation sounds good. Super-Hiro 08:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Emission would be similar to generation; but would be more consistent with existing naming conventions. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 10/14/2008 09:24 (EST)
          • And yet we call Lighting just Lightning. Shouldn't it be lasers because Eric specfically calls the "Lasers". Because we've done it with Lightning, why not Lasers?--Dman dustin 13:23, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
            • Sounds like a valid point to me, too. (Admin 13:31, 14 October 2008 (EDT))
              • Although laser emission sounds better, I agree with Dman. On a related note, "laser" is an acronym for "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation" and that should be noted in the article.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
            • I second that. It sounds like a reasonable argument to call it Lasers. --Pinkkeith 14:25, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
              • User:Shadowulf1 15:47, 14 October 2008 (EDT) I still think laser emission is reasonable. Just like lightning should be called lightning generation or lightning emission. No one likes the name change to laser emission?
                • I agree with Shadowulf1 that I think the name Laser emission should stay. I get that highly scientific names are not easy recognisable (though I personally like highly scientific names, but that's not relevant) however oversimplification is another thing. LightPhoenix 16:35, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                  • Exactly. The name 'Laser Emission' (or Generation) describes accurately the ability. --Litox 23:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
              • Calling it "lasers" works for me. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:51, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                • Yup, Lasers would be fine with me too Super-Hiro 16:34, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                  • Since OMGLASERSPEWPEW isn't a viable choice, I'll go with Lasers as well. :] GabrielPetrelli 16:38, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                    • Maybe we need to modify the naming convention to permit that. . . ;) (Admin 16:52, 14 October 2008 (EDT))
                    • I actually would have preferred "MICHAELSFIRINHISLAZORS," but like everyone else, I'll go with Lasers too. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 19:03, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                      • There's also the ever-popular 'laserkinesis', but I didn't suggest that...so don't hurt me. I never liked lightning, personally. I'd vote for laser generation. --Yamawhata? 21:16, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                    • 'OMGLASERSPEWPEW' sounds really, really silly. And that's actually the very first thing that comes to my mind whenever I read the word 'Laser'. --Litox 23:39, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
                      • I think Gabriel was just joking, but I think it's okay to rename this now. Or do we need an official consensus?--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:55, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Lasers? I can imagine this scenario before Michael was killed: "Hi my name is Michael and i have the ability of lasers." Personally the wording doesn't sound correcton. Laser emission sounds brisk and proper.--ACDC1989 05:53, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
    • User:Shadowulf1 14:33, 15 October 2008 (EDT) Thank you, ACDC, these people always havce a problem with every edit I make to this site; I think this name just makes sense.
      • It does sound good, but I don't think you should have removed the Rename tag just yet. We're obviously still discussing it here. =/ Michael DIDN'T say "Hi my name is Michael and i have the ability of lasers", because grammatically that does sound awkward. Perhaps we should use Lasing (as in the verb, to lase) [[1]]. Specifically, "to give off coherent light, as in a laser." This matches Lightning as we currently use it. GabrielPetrelli 14:50, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
        • Only, "lasing" would be another form/tense of the word and in the story it was explicitly called "lasers".--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
          • True. What was the quote, "...those lasers of yours"? I personally think Lasing is the better ability name as its the proper tense of the same word. Again, Lasers doesn't bother me. I just figure it'd compromise the grammatical awkwardness while sticking closely to what was provided in Doyle's quote. GabrielPetrelli 20:18, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Im in favor of "Laser emission." Doyle calls the things that Michael creates, and emits, lasers. The verb lase, and the use of the the gerund, lasing, is awkward, as those are very uncommon and seldom heard words. As such there is an accessibility issue. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

  • I'd just like to point out that "laser emission" is double speak for reasons I already stated.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
    • Point taken, but Joe Ordinary considers the word "laser" to refer to the laser like we use the word "carrot" to refer to the vegetable. He doesnt think of the word as an acronym. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:17, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
  • If were going to argue that it should be "Laser Emission" than where does that leave lightning? I mean Peter called it Lightning, and it's not Lightning even if it doesn't make sense. I say it doesn't make sense because look at it from this point: Let's say a person doesn't know what telekinesis is, and they have it, they aren't going to just come out and say "Oh look I have Telekinesis" just like with Peter, he doesn't know the technical name for it, and what does it look like to him "Lightning" so he's going to call it that. but I should also say he did call it by other names, it wasn't exclusive to just Lightning. So if we still argue it should be lightning because Peter specifically calls it that, then we should call it "Lasers" because that's specifically what Eric called it. Short of having a tracker profile for Michael, I don't see what other choice we have for the name other than "Lasers." --Dman dustin 01:38, 16 October 2008 (EDT)

Consensus check

Let's see where we are with this now. Please sign below what option you prefer.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Those in favor of keeping laser emission:

  1. User:Shadowulf1 00:39, 16 October 2008 (EDT) (the name "lasers" sounds very uncreative and very vague. I think although the site is trying to sound as accurate as possible, the naming process should not be so literal. Doyle's mention of lasers does not soldify this as the name of the ability. It simply implies the energy he generates...or emits. If he is not immune to it, it may imply he does not generate it, and thus the least speculatory would be laser emission, as he emits them, but it is not known if he generates the light energy or just absorbs it and concentrates it into a laser form.)
  2. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:03, 16 October 2008 (EDT) It's simple and easy to understand
  3. --Radicell 03:57, 16 October 2008 (EDT) Consistent with the other "fire something from hand" powers. Also, it's easily understood.
  4. --LightPhoenix 04:13, 16 October 2008 (EDT) Not oversimplified, but not too scientific either.


Those in favor of laser generation:

  1. Raiku


Those in favor of lasing:

  1. GabrielPetrelli 20:18, 15 October 2008 (EDT) (In line with "lightning"; alternate tense of Lasers. See above for detailed thoughts. Would be for Lasers if this doesn't get any other votes. >_> )


Those in favor of lasers:

  1. --MiamiVolts (talk) 17:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT) (since it was used in the novel and is already in noun form; "lasing" is a verb, not in line with "lightning", which is a noun; "laser emission" is double speak cause "emission" is in the acronym "laser")
  2. --Dman dustin 01:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT) I disagree, it's very much like lightning, Peter called it "lightning" and Eric called it "Lasers", it's similar because that's what there were called in their specific canon source. Peter didn't call it "Lightner" and Eric didn't call it "Lasing." And if we go by what characters call it, regardless of how uncreative or unoriginal it is, then it should be Lasers.