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==Appearances==
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* I think you folks are just using this article as an excuse to watch all of the episodes again  ;)  --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 16:38, 8 February 2007 (EST)
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** More or less.  :) --[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:45, 8 February 2007 (EST)
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==Jessica==
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I haven't been listing her separately because it's not always clear when she's "appeared", and because ... well, I was going from the synopses mostly and the early ones obviously don't mention her by name, so it just slipped my mind.  Do you think we should add her?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:18, 9 February 2007 (EST)
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* I kind of look at this list as more of an actor list than a character list, though they're listed by characters. (Oh, and Hank will finally get his due for ''Distractions''!) I don't think anybody will look at this list and think, "What?! Wasn't Jessica in that episode? They left her out? I'm so angry I could <s>have my alter ego</s> snap a baton!" ... That said, it wouldn't hurt having her in there, just not necessary in my opinion. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 06:44, 9 February 2007 (EST)
 
==Layout==
Also, the multicolumn layout is pretty much essential since this would otherwise be an incredibly annoying long, thin list, but does anyone think it would be better to have each episode broken into three or four columns, and then have the episodes as rows, like this:
 
==''[[Genesis]]''==
{| width=75%
|- valign=top
| width=25% |
* '''[[Peter Petrelli]]'''
* '''[[Simone Deveaux]]'''
* '''[[Charles Deveaux]]'''
* '''[[Mohinder Suresh]]'''
* '''[[Nirand]]'''
* '''[[Mr. Bennet]]'''
* '''[[Niki Sanders]]'''
| width=25% style="border-left: 1px solid #E0E0E0; padding-left:1em;" |
* '''[[Micah Sanders]]'''
* '''[[Linderman's thugs]]'''
* '''[[Claire Bennet]]'''
* '''[[Zach]]'''
* '''[[Nathan Petrelli]]'''
* '''[[Hiro Nakamura]]'''
* '''[[Ando Masahashi]]'''
| width=25% style="border-left: 1px solid #E0E0E0; padding-left:1em;" |
* '''[[Hiro's boss]]'''
* '''[[Micah's principal]]'''
* '''[[Angela Petrelli]]'''
* '''[[Tina]]'''
* '''[[Train wreck victim]]'''
* '''[[Odessa Fire Chief]]'''
* '''[[Isaac Mendez]]'''
| width=25% style="border-left: 1px solid #E0E0E0; padding-left:1em;" |
* '''[[Sandra Bennet]]'''
* '''[[Mr. Muggles]]'''
* '''[[Lyle Bennet]]'''
|}
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==Split==
With the newly divided page, where does the tally go? Do we have a tally for S1 alone, S2 alone, S3 alone, and S4 alone on their respective pages, and a total tally elsewhere? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 20:42, 20 November 2009 (EST)
* The tally is on the most recent appearance page, which is currently [[List of character appearances by episode/Season Four]]. We can redirect [[List of character appearances by episode]] to the newest season for Season Five. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:51, 20 November 2009 (EST)
**Hmm....should the trivia like how many episodes in each season had all the regulars go on their respective seasons? -- {{User:Tristan0709/Signature}} 21:25, 20 November 2009 (EST)
*** If you want. It doesn't make much of a difference to me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:57, 20 November 2009 (EST)
****What I don't understand is how [[List of character appearances by graphic novel]] is still functioning even though it has more templates on it than the old Episodes one had. --[[User:Radicell|Radicell]] 22:37, 20 November 2009 (EST)


== Archival footage ==


I think it would make the page structure better, but it makes it slightly harder to find who you're looking for and makes the order of appearance less clear. Opinions?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:29, 9 February 2007 (EST)
This idea came to me when I was looking at the list of character appearances for the most recent episode. I think we should italicize characters who appear exclusively in archived footage. This will save some people the disappointment when they're about to watch the episode and find out through the article that old characters will be returning in it, and it just helps make the lists more specific. We could include this and bolded names in a key at the bottom/top of the Character Appearances section. What does everybody think?--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 21:28, 26 January 2010 (EST)
*Well, I didn't know you could use headings in a column, so I learned something new. But yes, you're right, the structure would be a bit better with the four columns for one episode, rather than one episode in each of three columns. Good thinking. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 06:44, 9 February 2007 (EST)
* I don't mind, but do people really read the appearances page and then go watch the episodes? I thought that page was just a page to collect all the appearances. It's not a bad idea, though. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:33, 26 January 2010 (EST)
**Yes, yes, the new format is much easier to read. And cuter, to boot. &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:36, 9 February 2007 (EST)
**No offense against any one, but I think that this is a stupid choice. Especially when you go to the talley of webisode/gn/istory and the people who havent appeared in episodes are italicized. I just dont agree... sorry {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 20:45, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 
***Can you rephrase that, please?--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 21:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)
== Consideration of Incorporation ==
**** Although poorly worded, IHH, you make a very good point. We use italics on the other appearance pages to denote people who have and haven't appeared in episodes. Hmm. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:41, 26 January 2010 (EST)
I had noticed that the individual episode pages themselves, didn't contain the list of characters that appeared in each episode. When doing research, that is pretty annoying not to have there. I just happened to stumble upon this page, which has the same effect, but isn't listed with the individual episodes.
*****Sorry, I was just rattling on my thoughts and not rereading to make sense of it! Sorry {{User:Iheartheroes/sig}} 21:59, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 
****** No worries. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:34, 26 January 2010 (EST)
Could we not add an additional section to each epi, following the Summary Section, that looks something like this:
*******We could add the key/legend to just episode pages.--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 22:51, 26 January 2010 (EST)
 
********i don't know what way you'd do it, but I think it should be noted... you don't want someone seeing [[Tom Miller]]'s name in the Art of Deception page to then go and ask on the talk page how he was in it "because cause he is dead", then you've got to explain it was archival footage. It would save time and effort, even if it is just a note. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 12:37, 27 January 2010 (EST)
(Example using Company Man Epi Page)
********* How about just an asterisk (*) following the person's name, with a key on the bottom of the page explaining what the asterisk is for? I can change the general appearance template pretty easily, but I'll ask somebody else to go through all the episodes and mark which characters are from archival footage. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:44, 27 January 2010 (EST)
<b>Character Appearances</b><br>[[Candace]], [[Claire]], [[Claude]], [[Hiro]], [[Kaito Nakamura]], [[Lyle]], [[Matt]], [[Mr. Bennet]], [[Mr. Muggles]], [[Sandra]], [[Ted]], [[The Haitian]], and [[Thompson]].
**********An asterisk would be fine with me, I think we've used the asterisk somewhere before and that was fine, so it should be fine here. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
 
***********I'm glad an agreement has been reached. :-). I'll get on this soon. By the way, was [[Four Months Ago...]] the first episode to use archival footage?--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 16:25, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Wouldn't this be more useful and readily helpful for doing research through the episodes, if each epi contained this info?
************No, HTSAEM had archival footage of Sylar's victims, after Hiro stabbed him. I can't remember anything before that though. I'll probably be watching S1 in a couple of weeks after S4 finishes, so we can work on it soon. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:32, 27 January 2010 (EST)
*************Sounds good, we can start when season four ends. Your help, and anyone else's, would be much appreciate.--[[User:Citizen|Citizen]] 17:33, 27 January 2010 (EST)
Hey is this still going to happen? I think it'd be a good idea. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 19:47, 21 April 2010 (EDT)


I'll be willing to do the work to add the section to each Epi, (and a similar application to the GNs as well), if you guys agree this would be a useful enhancement to the Epi pages. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 15:11 (EST)</small>
== Former Characters ==
* If we put them in the individual episodes, I'd like to see them in order of appearance like they are here, rather than in alphabetical order.  That's occasionally useful information to have (like the spoilers about Simone's death which referred to someone from "the opening moments of ''Genesis''" dying).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:16, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
Should this page really include statistics from past seasons? --{{User:Boycool42/sig1}} 08:56, 29 May 2010 (EDT)
*I'm not opposed to the idea, but I have some concerns, in no particular order. The episode pages are quite bloated already, and I'm afraid adding character appearances would just make them even more ... portly. Each episode page already links to the appearances page--the link is usually in the trivia, but I think the link could stand to be a bit more prominent (perhaps in the See Also section). If we were to list the characters on the episode page, I would do it in order of appearance, not alphabetical. A search for a particular character is pretty easy to do either by visual scan or by doing a page search (usually ctrl+F on most browsers). &mdash; [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 15:25, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
== Issac Appearance s==
* As for formatting, if we were to add these to the episodes (which I'm mildly in favor of), I'd like to keep the same formatting as here.  It uses a bit more space than a straight list, but it's also less ... oppressive ... and easier to read--a nice balance between text and whitespace.  And the appearance number and bold for new characters is, again, nice information to have handy at a glance.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:35, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
Issac appearance 16 Episodes not 15-[[User:Adamhiro|Adamhiro]] 19:29, 5 July 2010 (LT)
**I have no problem with sort-order, both ways have their merits.  How about I do one with an epi, as an experiment, and you guy slook at it, and see what you think about its effect on the bloat, and then we decide to either accept it, and do them all the same; or revert it and just do your alternate suggestion of making a consistent entry link for the appearances page in the "See Also" section? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 15:41 (EST)</small>
*** I agree with Ryan here. The ep pages have a ton of content already, and if I want to find a certain character in the synopsis, a quick scan of each paragraph usually does it. [[User:Heroe|<span style="color:green">Heroe!</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Heroe|<span style="color:#000000">(talk)</span>]]</small> 15:44, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
****Ok Guys, I just added a blurb section to [[Company Man]] to see what it would look like with a 'Character Appearance' within the epi.  Everyone go and look at it, and see what you think as far as space taken up, format, usefulness, etc... And then come back and share your thoughts.  If everyone hates the idea, we can roll that one back, and look at it from another way. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 15:54 (EST)</small>
*****Another thing to consider, would be moving the 'Watch Online' section (which is small in footprint size anyway), down to the "See Also section, as a line item.  Those freeing up the space that the new Character Appearance section would use; and netting about even with what we have to begin with.  Just another thought. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 16:00 (EST)</small>
******I think "Watch Online" should be the first section after the summary, ahead of Story Development or appearances.  I also think we should include it in the AOTW when the episodes start back up.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:05, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
*******Exactly. the "Watch Online" should stay near the top and definitely before the synopsis.  That way someone doesn't read through the lengthy synopsis only to find out they could have watched the episode online themselves.  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:06, 5 April 2007 (EDT))
***** The space doesn't bother me, and I think it's useful to have on the episode pages.  That said, it looks really clumsy in a blurb, and kind of competes with the "story development" blurb.  I'd rather just cut-n-paste the episode section from this article.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:03, 5 April 2007 (EDT)
*****OK, I just re-edited the new section, and changed it from a blurb with continous names listed, (remmed out), to a list format copied from this page.  I used small fonts, to lessen the footprint.  Personally, I think the prior version is cleaner, and neater, and takes up less space. What do you guys think? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 04/5/2007 16:18 (EST)</small>
****** I took out the tocright because it never, ever looks good on articles with a sidebar.  Otherwise, I think it's a huge improvement ... it doesn't clash with story development nearly as much, and it's easier to read with a little whitespace.  It does make Thompson and Candace in Story Development seem kind of redundant, though.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:30, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 11:47, 5 July 2010

Archives Archived Topics
Feb 2007 - Nov 2009

Split

With the newly divided page, where does the tally go? Do we have a tally for S1 alone, S2 alone, S3 alone, and S4 alone on their respective pages, and a total tally elsewhere? -- Tristan0709 talk 20:42, 20 November 2009 (EST)

Archival footage

This idea came to me when I was looking at the list of character appearances for the most recent episode. I think we should italicize characters who appear exclusively in archived footage. This will save some people the disappointment when they're about to watch the episode and find out through the article that old characters will be returning in it, and it just helps make the lists more specific. We could include this and bolded names in a key at the bottom/top of the Character Appearances section. What does everybody think?--Citizen 21:28, 26 January 2010 (EST)

  • I don't mind, but do people really read the appearances page and then go watch the episodes? I thought that page was just a page to collect all the appearances. It's not a bad idea, though. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2010 (EST)
    • No offense against any one, but I think that this is a stupid choice. Especially when you go to the talley of webisode/gn/istory and the people who havent appeared in episodes are italicized. I just dont agree... sorry ~~IHHTalk 20:45, 26 January 2010 (EST)
      • Can you rephrase that, please?--Citizen 21:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)
        • Although poorly worded, IHH, you make a very good point. We use italics on the other appearance pages to denote people who have and haven't appeared in episodes. Hmm. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2010 (EST)
          • Sorry, I was just rattling on my thoughts and not rereading to make sense of it! Sorry ~~IHHTalk 21:59, 26 January 2010 (EST)
            • No worries. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2010 (EST)
              • We could add the key/legend to just episode pages.--Citizen 22:51, 26 January 2010 (EST)
                • i don't know what way you'd do it, but I think it should be noted... you don't want someone seeing Tom Miller's name in the Art of Deception page to then go and ask on the talk page how he was in it "because cause he is dead", then you've got to explain it was archival footage. It would save time and effort, even if it is just a note. --mc_hammark 12:37, 27 January 2010 (EST)
                  • How about just an asterisk (*) following the person's name, with a key on the bottom of the page explaining what the asterisk is for? I can change the general appearance template pretty easily, but I'll ask somebody else to go through all the episodes and mark which characters are from archival footage. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:44, 27 January 2010 (EST)
                    • An asterisk would be fine with me, I think we've used the asterisk somewhere before and that was fine, so it should be fine here. --mc_hammark 14:49, 27 January 2010 (EST)
                      • I'm glad an agreement has been reached. :-). I'll get on this soon. By the way, was Four Months Ago... the first episode to use archival footage?--Citizen 16:25, 27 January 2010 (EST)
                        • No, HTSAEM had archival footage of Sylar's victims, after Hiro stabbed him. I can't remember anything before that though. I'll probably be watching S1 in a couple of weeks after S4 finishes, so we can work on it soon. --mc_hammark 16:32, 27 January 2010 (EST)
                          • Sounds good, we can start when season four ends. Your help, and anyone else's, would be much appreciate.--Citizen 17:33, 27 January 2010 (EST)

Hey is this still going to happen? I think it'd be a good idea. --Skullman1392 19:47, 21 April 2010 (EDT)

Former Characters

Should this page really include statistics from past seasons? --Boycool Two little mice fell in a bucket of cream. The first mouse quickly gave up and drowned. The second mouse wouldn't quit. He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter and crawled out. Amen. 08:56, 29 May 2010 (EDT)

Issac Appearance s

Issac appearance 16 Episodes not 15-Adamhiro 19:29, 5 July 2010 (LT)