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How can Peter lose a fight?

There are quite a few things that I have noticed about Peter that don't seem to make much sense. First, I want to explain my assumptions about Peter's basic powers: he absorbs the power from anyone he comes near, he doesn't know intuitively how to use the power he’s just gained, he gets more powerful with each ability absorbed, and he can use powers any time after he gains them. That’s fairly simple; however, Peter got IA from Sylar, which means he should now know how to use every power in his arsenal and be able to use them all the time. It also means that he has gained every ability from Sylar, future Peter, and Arthur. A lot of the series is left to our imaginations, and Sylar and Arthur show many different abilities without a definite explanation of exactly where they got each one. This means that both of them have been absorbing powers offscreen, and can have any number of random abilities that we are unaware of. It is completely feasible that Arthur has hundreds if not thousands of abilities because of his advanced age and willingness to steal people's powers. Also, Sylar may have dozens and dozens of abilities because of the list that he took from Suresh, and his lengthy travels. Future Peter is also a factor that can't be forgotten because he, in theory, has perfect control of his abilities and has been fighting people with powers for years and years. All of that implies that Peter has all of those abilities plus more from anyone he has been close to. Another thing to consider is the recurrence of certain powers ¬- what happens when Peter absorbs pyrokinesis from both Meredith and Flint Gordon? Does he only gain the more powerful of the two or do they meld and form a more powerful form of pyrokinesis? This can be applied to other powers such as TK from Arthur, future Peter, and Sylar. All of this really is going somewhere, so don't stop reading.

Let’s make an assumption – what if someone with the ability to absorb powers can stop his powers from being absorbed (which is implied in many of the posts on this discussion board). For example, several people refer to Peter only showing Sylar's ability of TK. This would severely limit Peter's power because Arthur, Sylar, and future Peter would simply block their abilities instead of allowing Peter to absorb them. I do not believe that Arthur and Sylar can block Peter because he is shown to use some of their powers and if he has access to some of their powers, he has access to all of them, especially if he can use a base ability such as Sylar's IA/empathy. Future Peter might be able to because he has the exact same abilities as Peter, except he can control them perfectly at any time. Future Peter's abilities being removed from Peter's absorbed abilities probably cuts them down by a large number but not by enough to make him vulnerable.

Another assumption I need to make is that there is a basic level to the theory of power. That is, everyone who has an ability has a definable level of power without including what their actual specific ability is. Let’s say that there is a level scale of power from 1-10, 1 being the weakest. If a level 1 and a level 10 telepath meet, then the level 10 will absolutely destroy the level 1 because of his ability’s intense strength. This also imposes limits on what they can do with their abilities. For example, a level 1 Speedster may only be able to run a few times normal speed, while a higher level Speedster can run many many times faster than that. Also, there must be certain powers that cannot have lower levels, such as Peter's - because it’s all-encompassing, he can absorb any ability without even trying.

If you're still with me, then here we go to the point - the Haitian. Peter and Sylar have stronger versions of Arthur's power. The Haitian was unable to contain Arthur for more than about a minute or two, even with extreme effort. This means that Peter has clearly absorbed the Haitian's abilities and that the Haitian can't stop either Peter or Sylar at all. Now, if Peter has the Haitian's abilities, has all the abilities Sylar and Arthur have, and is among the strongest evolved humans in existence, then how can he lose any fight? Also, if Peter had better control over his abilities, could he have reversed Arthur's absorption and instead have absorbed all of Arthur’s powers the same way Arthur was trying to absorb his? --Deathjoe4 (talk)

  • First, who are you? You didn't sign your post. Second, Peter lost all his powers when Arthur took his base power of empathic mimicry. He has only just regained that base power and flight. He hasn't relearned any other power yet.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:56, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • Peter could also have absorbed Pyrokinesis from Flint, since he was near Peter, too, when he injected himself with the forumula.--S3phir0th- 17:19, 19 December 2008 (EST)
    • We don't know that Peter has regained empathic mimicry, nor do we know that he needed it (prior to losing his abilities) to access the abilities he had already absorbed. Mohinder's description to Nathan about Peter's ability heavily implies that once he has absorbed an ability it's hardwired into his DNA, and no longer 'connected' to his empathic mimicry (ie - prior to Arthur taking his powers, he could've lost empathic mimcry but still retained telepathy et al). --Stevehim 03:49, 20 December 2008 (EST)
    • Peter's power seems to be stronger than Arthur's because he automatically absorbs anyone's ability around, so what i was saying was that if Peter had realized what Arthur was doing, couldn't he have used his power to stop Arthur and then use Arthur's own ability against himself? This is hypothetical but it brings up the point of Peter being the strongest evolved human that we've seen. Also, Peter's power was described as being like a sponge by Mohinder which means that it absorbs the ability from everyone around him. That ability though holds everything it learns which I believe means that he has all of his powers that he used to have because his ability was only shut down, not destroyed. Mohinder had come across something that implied that the ability didn't come from the brain but from the adrenal glands which means that Arthur's ability most likely stopped Peter's body from being able to process his ability but he still had it. Therefore, when he used the formula he simply regained everything he had lost, including all of his old powers.--Deathjoe4 (talk)
      • If Peter somehow knew about Arthur's power prior to their hug, then he could have likely used it, just the same as Arthur could (it's not clear what would happen if they both tried using it at the same time, just as it's not clear what happens with two people trying to use mental manipulation on each other). Or if he realized he had the Haitian's power, he could have stopped the absorption altogether. But he didn't know about either, so we'll never know what could have occurred (also remember that there were four other villains in the room, so if Arthur was unable to handle Peter alone, he might have loosed them on his son). If Peter had realized the danger, he could have just stopped time, for that matter. I didn't really follow why this means he must have regained empathic mimicry though. While it was described to be 'like a sponge,' that was more to indicate he keeps the powers he absorbs when out of range of those he gets them from, imo, as it was a direct answer to Nathan's 'like a chameleon,' which implies temporary power gain. There's nothing to suggest that Arthur's absorption didn't 'remove the sponge' from Peter's DNA, however, so we can't assume he has anything but flight until we see it occur or are told so by the writers. --Stevehim 05:55, 23 December 2008 (EST)
  • Nice essay...Bloodbath 23:15, 18 December 2008 (EST)
  • tl;dr -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:29, 18 December 2008 (EST)
    • Read the first paragraph. Peter can't absorb all of his Future self's abilities, he only absorbs Empathic mimicry.--Riddler 23:41, 18 December 2008 (EST)
      • I like your power level idea, but I think it might be more general than that. I think all abilities are on one power scale, with power absorbers being at the top. If you fight someone with a higher power level than you (even if the powers are unrelated) that higher level person can resist your power. Sylar has shown this against both Hiro and that puppet master guy in "Dual". He was able to resist and even stop their powers effects. It may also be that the more powers a power absorber has, the stronger they will be at resisting others. The other thing I wanted to mention was that the Haitain must have a greater range in stopping abilites than Peter has in absorbing them. This keeps Peter from getting the Haitain's power. Think of the Haitain as a level 9, and all power absorbers as a level 8 with the potential to move up to level 10 as they get more powerful. All other powers are in lower levels.Cdweston 15:34, 19 December 2008 (EST)
        • peter gained his original power, flight, and possibly flints power, the Haitians power, mohinders power,and tracys power. We don't know how far his range to acquire abilities is, and since he spazzed out before he flew, he might of acquired all his original abilities that Arther took. Also, I think that he originally took ALL of future peters powers because when Arther took peters powers, he had all of peters powers.
        • Regarding the 'level 1 vs level 10' concept...it's not always true. We know Maury had a higher level of control over his power than Matt did over his, and Matt was not only able to break free of Maury's nightmare, but able to trap his father in a dreamstate as well. So a 'lower level' person has been shown to 'beat' someone with a higher level of control over the same ability. --Stevehim 03:49, 20 December 2008 (EST)
          • Thats is actually an example of what I was talking about. Control doesn't mean as much as raw power. This clearly shows that Matt's power is simply of a higher level then Maury's, even though Maury had better control. --Deathjoe4 (talk)
            • I don't know that it's that clear. Sometimes the underdog wins.  ;) --Stevehim 05:55, 23 December 2008 (EST)
        • Sylar didn't resist Hiro's power, Hiro lost his concentration because he was too nervous about killing Sylar, so when he lost his focus, his ability deactivated. And people seem to be very forgetful about two very important things:

Peter can't absorb powers from other versions of himself, this has been confirmed by a BTE interview, and Peter has been in the Haitian's presence without him blocking Peter in Unexpected, when Noah and the Haitian tried to bag Peter and Claude, Peter was able to stop time and TK the taser darts to the ground and then fly away with Claude, therefore, he was exposed to the Haitian's ability. Furthermore, in Resistance, it is implied he used this ability on Claire, and it's been confirmed, also by a BTE interview that Arthur used the Haitian's ability and not telepathy in Hiro in It's Coming, and since the only powers known not to have been taken from Peter are rapid cell regeneration (from Adam) and telepathy (unknown source), the most logical and reasonable explanation is that he took it from Peter.

Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:38, 20 December 2008 (EST)

  • So it seems that when people have enough absorbed powers, like Peter or Arthur, they can resist some powers of others. Specifically powers that try to control or manipulate the person directly.Cdweston 12:57, 20 December 2008 (EST)
    • I'm not sure I would extend that to Peter with regards to the Haitian, as it's possible the Haitian was intentionally not using his ability to stop Peter on the rooftop. --Stevehim 13:32, 20 December 2008 (EST)
      • I agree. What I mean to say is that Arthur has progressed to a level where even the Haitain can't conrol him for long. The Haitain can't block that many different powers at once. It would be like trying to block hundreds of heroes at the same time. Where as Peter and Sylar have a lot of powers, but not yet enough, to be a challenge for him.Cdweston 18:31, 20 December 2008 (EST)
        • I don't even think it has to do with Arthur's "power level" or anything, but rather the sheer number of powers he has. If he tries to activate as many of his powers as possible, that might be too much for the Haitian to handle. --Ricard Desi 18:34, 20 December 2008 (EST)
      • That doesn't make sense because Peter has all of Arthur's + Sylar's abilities which means that he could've overwhelmed the Haitian, even quicker then Arthur could've. Indeed, he could've used the Haitian's own power against him which would stop the fight extremely quickly. The pwoer level idea works because everyone can interact with other people's powers and if they weren't similar in some way then that would never be able to happen.--Deathjoe4
        • Untrue for a few reasons. 1. Peter had already lost his empathic mimicry, meaning he had no powers. 2. He cannot copy absorbed powers, he can only absorb the initial one (empathic mimicry, intuitive aptitude, power absorption). The only exception thus far is telekinesis, which I'm working on getting cleared up. 3. Peter would have no reason to overwhelm the Haitian. The only times he would have wanted to he was too weak. --Ricard Desi 11:39, 22 December 2008 (EST)
  • I agree with the idea that the Haitain has a limit on how many abilities he can suppress, and that it is for that reason that he could not hold Arthur for long. Peter never had as many abilities as Arthur, so he wasn't yet to powerful for the Haitain to stop.
    This other idea that Peter can only absorb the initial power and not all the absorbed powers, except telekenesis, from someone like Sylar or Arthur has no supporting evidence other than thats the only power of Sylar's that Peter likes to use. If he could absorb one of Sylars mimicked abilities he can absorb them all. Arthur absorbed all of Peter's mimicked powers after all, and he only ever used telekenesis, and time-space manipulation. I mean once you have those two you really don't need anything else to be virtually unstoppable. Though obviously regeneration and telepathy would be extremely useful. Cdweston 23:43, 22 December 2008

The Hunger??

Since peter needs to recall the memories of people using there powers to use them I think that he just recalled the memory of nathan using his power of flight. I think that peter still has all his abilities, but need to recall them. But when you used Sylar's ability it can never be turned off. So he just not going to recall that ability, so that will get rid of his hunger.--Langalang (talk) 02:47, 22 December 2008 (EST)

  • Sylar's ability simply requires control. The reason Sylar goes on killing sprees and such is because he does not want to be good. It was made clear in the third season that with the right motivation, the hunger can be held off for a long time and possibly even beaten. --Deathjoe4 (talk)

Known Ability

Wouldn't it be correct to list Peter's situation as: Known ability: Flight (Synthetic) Empathic mimicry (lost) --Riddler 10:21, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Saying he doesn't have empathic mimicry may or may not be speculative, saying he has synthetic flight only isn't speculative at all. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:26, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Well, we do know that (at least), he had empathic mimicry, and we do know that he did lose it (but do not know if he has regained it). So long as we make it clear that it stays as "lost" until outright stated or shown, it shouldn't pose a problem. --Ricard Desi 11:37, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Look at it from a storyline standpoint. Do you think the writers are only going to give Peter his flight back, and nothing else? --Piemanmoo 18:16, 30 December 2008 (EST)
It's because he didn't think of checking if he had regained Pyrokinesis, it's not as if he had a desire to Barbeque Nathan for his words! It's just like he didn't check to see if he had Telekinesis even after he realised how the ability recall worked after triggering regeneration intentionally. Then again Pyrokinesis could give a passive immunity for Peter against Fire (although it doesn't nessesary protect Flint and Meredith against building collapse). --Garthak 14:55, 1 January 2009 (EST)
I agree: I believe that Flint's power protected him against that fire. I think he regained empathic mimickry and at least flight and pryokinesis, but I'm not sure about the rest. --Wargrowlmon18 17:57, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Empathic Mimicry no more.

Peter's ability is no longer Empathic Mimicry, he now has to touch the holder of the power to copy their ability. -- Veeiro

You forget that he took Nathan's flight in Dual without a problem. If it's confirmed he still has Flint's pyrokinesis, then yes, he still does have empathic mimicry. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:11, 2 February 2009 (EST)
Unless he evolved his mimicry INTO power theft. Other heroes have been able to evolve their powers, like Parkman turned his telepathy into illusion casting and suggestion, so maybe touch theft is just an evolved form of mimicry. --Gibbeynator 22:19, 2 February 2009 (EST)
I think it would have been the other way around, using somones power from a distance is far more advanced then touching somone WaterRatj 19:10, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

actually if you check correctly in dual peter touch nathan and THEN HE FLEW so i think he doesnt have empathic mimicry, now he has power theft and possibly doesn`t know how to use it right so right now he just has one power at a time user 007SNAKE 16:07,3 February 2009

I think peter can only take 1 power at a time. When he was hanging on the net he could have let go and fly next to the plane and when he took mohinders power he got strong but then when he took tracys power freezing its seemed as though he got weaker the soldier beat him down but idk maybe he wasn't expecting it or he didn't want to leave the plane bu its most defirnetly power absorbtion...please my spelling is horrible bear with me xd --icykidd 22:53, 2 February 2009 (EST)


- We DO SEE Peter unable to hit the soldier, just after taking tracy's power, so yeah he losts his power each time he takes another...

The thing is : Why doesn't he take Mohinder's at the end ?

Power absorption should not be listed as Peter's ability. When Arthur absorbed an ability, the original user lost it. We don't know if that's the same for Peter.Watchmaker 03:31, 3 February 2009 (EST)

  • It seems likely since he was looking like Jason Bourne one second then couldn't even hit someone the next. I think we should wait until we have real proof though before we make it official here. Bloodbath 06:19, 3 February 2009 (EST)
  • What I think is that Peter gained some sort of physical mimicry or something like that; that he has to touch someone to copy their power, like Rouge from X-men, except the life force absorbing part. --ExiledPrince 20:40, 5 February 2009 (EST)


NOTE: Peter's ability could have been weakened by being under the effects of the drip. It was that drug which limits powers. Sylar has shown he can will his way through the drug, but Peter hasn't learned that yet, he still becomes incapacitated by it. It could be that his power was weakened (the most obvious conclusion) so he had to touch Mohinder to get his power instead of simply being in his presence. Super strength also doesn't mean Super healing and Super healing doesn't mean Super skin (The Haitian's brother). Someone with Super strength and healing could still be knocked out or stunned, but would just recover very quickly. They could use their super strength defensively if concentrating maybe. Perhaps he didn't pick up Mohinder's powers in the cab because he willed himself not to, it could be that he exerts control over his powers and when he absorbs powers or not. This could be the reason they showed Nathan asking him how many abilities he had, and Peter responding indignantly that he only had Flight (because he was not looking to acquire more). I'm not sure if he was able to pick up Claire's power again as well or not. He'll likely definitely get her power again in the next episode after the crash. I see no way they would make him only able to utilize or hold one ability at a time while Sylar is out there being his normal multipowered self. The complaints about Peter's character were that he was too powerful so they "fixed" that by getting rid of Hiro's power, now no one can time travel. That was always Peter's trump card over Sylar and everyone else.

---Pete Petrelli 00:45, 4 March 2009 (GMT) The writers and Milo confirmed that Peter does in fact still have his Empathic Mimicry, however, over all the Chaos that has been going on, including the betrayal by his father and Nathan, he has lost touch with his empathy, and just like in Season 1, he will have to learn all over again how to get in touch with that.

They said he lost touch with his empathy, unless they spell out he has his old ability back, he doesn't. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:55, 3 March 2009 (EST)

Also, remember the time that author told sylar that he had empathetic mimicry? Peter could have strengthenned his own when he absorbed sylars ability. Also on his current ability, I assume that he abtained it after author touched him, maybe a weaker version of his fathers?--Hawkeye 10:59, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

The writer said Sylar can do something very similar to empathic mimicry, not empathic mimicry per se. Also, Peter's original ability would copy every ability it could regardless of Peter's will, the only thing Peter had control of "calling forth" an ability, and he didn't need to like people to do it, otherwise he would have never used telekinesis. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:02, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

Power absorption is speculative

I think it's still early to say he's got power absorption. We don't know that Mohinder or Tracy have lost their abilities, and to list them as having lost powers based on what we've seen so far is speculative. It could just be an evolution of his empathic mimicry, for all we know. It's late here, so I'll wait to revising stuff till tomorrow (and until other thoughts are presented). --Stevehim 05:35, 3 February 2009 (EST)

  • To keep consistent with the other pages (power absorption, various ones listing abilities etc), I reverted things. Since there is evidence that Peter lost Mohinder's ability when he gained Tracy's, I'm uncertain what to list as his power, so for the moment I went with last ability demonstrated. Any ideas on what to list until we know what's going on for sure (which will ohopefully be in an interview fairly soon)? --Stevehim 07:56, 3 February 2009 (EST)

What if it's just a side-effect of the suppression drug leaving his system, the absorbption effect reduced to physical contact? --Garthak 09:51, 3 February 2009 (EST)

    • There's also the issue of the formula. Which ability do we list as restored by the formula? To quote Arthur, this is "a thorny issue." Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:57, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Well, we don't see it clearly (it's in the episode) but we've seen the scene being shot in a Heroes Unmasked, we definitely see Peter hitting a soldier, but harming himself because he hit the helmet. That proves he doesn't have super strength.

There can't be any real speculation on this can there? Seriously we saw the same light show that Arthur had when he used his power. And afterwards you saw how Tracy and Mohinder acted, like they were empty as Peter felt when his powers were taken. Horrorman 19:40, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I don't remember them looking empty or drained, but doesn't the fact that up until a very short time they were being drugged through those nasal shunt things play a big role on that? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:44, 3 February 2009 (EST)

True, that part of my argument was weak, but don't you recognize that the same light effect was like Arthur Petrelli's power? Horrorman 22:02, 3 February 2009 (EST)

  • There're just too many unknowns at the moment. I think one of the most telling things that we can't be sure what is going on is how Peter seemed to lose Mohinder's power when he gained Tracy's. While it's possible that he's just not used to being able to steal powers (as opposed to absorb them), and thus has trouble accessing more than one at a time, that's speculative (escpecially since things like enhanced strength are mostly subconsiciously activated). We also didn't see either Mohinder or Tracy in pain (iirc) like we did when Arthur stole people's powers. --Stevehim 22:09, 3 February 2009 (EST)
    • @ Horrorman: True, the effect was similar, but we have a case of power that changed effects before. Remember that they changed the effect for Candice's illusion? It might be like that, the one thing that's making us go crazy is that is an effect that was already used for another power and that because of it the mechanics of his ability might have changed. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:01, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Peter used Arthur's power

Arthur took the power permanently as in draining it from the evolved humans. Peter sort of did that too but not completely. I think that Peter can temporarily take powers like Rogue from Marvel does. Arthur knew immediately know to access the powers he took. Remember that Peter can only use his acquired powers by Empathic mimicry by the way he feels about the person.

(Think that changed, since when he lost hes memory, he could use his powers without thinking about them) WaterRatj 19:12, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Still, it doesn't make sense why he needed to suck a little of Mohinder if he knew him and why did he lose his flight power?

As a Heroes fan, I am disappointed about the new twist to his powers...I hope these new plot twists don't fuck up everything.... I like the fact that Peter learns some fucking humility, so far he proved to be drunk with power and a bit irresponsible. Don't you? --Discipol no --Manwithnoname 11:13, 3 February 2009 (EST)

Until it's shown that the evolved humans Peter supposedly took abilities from can no longer use their abilities, Peter should not be listed as having Arthur's power. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:59, 3 February 2009 (EST)

I have read that Peter's new ability is sort of like Empathic mimicry and Power absorption combined. Peter now needs to physically touch them to get their ability but it doesnt't mean they lose their ability. Physical Mimicry is my theory on Peter's new ability and possibly the most definite speculate we can use right now. - Arkillion


-what i think will happen is that ando will eventually have to supercharge peter so which may result to his mimic power getting back to normal

I don't think we should list Peter's ability. There's no other example of someone changing abilities, saying it's Peter's ability states that he no longer has empathic mimicry, which may or may not be true, saying he got those new abilities through unknown means is 100% correct and doesn't invalidate anything we already know about his ability history. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:36, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Has there been any change to his assignment tracker page?

Cause that would really clear up any discrepancies.--Steelymcbeam 00:04, 4 February 2009 (EST)

  • No. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:09, 4 February 2009 (EST)
  • Will the assignment tracker even be updated anymore? The company "doesn't exist", at least not in the form it once was.--NovaX81 04:35, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Flight

I matched the infobox to the current abilities for now, but it's speculation, imho, to say that flight was obtained by a different means than freezing and Mohinder's ability. Though we didn't see the absorption visual when Peter touched Nathan, we also didn't see him fly before touching his brother (I looked at it a few times, and he's charging, not flying, from my POV). Realistically, we shouldn't assume that Peter has gained flight and some sort of power absorption/mimicry separately from one dose of the formula, as there's no indication that it gives someone more than one power. --Stevehim 06:07, 4 February 2009 (EST)

  • It was changed back, and I'll leave it, content to lodge my protest here for the moment.  ;) --Stevehim 07:56, 4 February 2009 (EST)
  • I just changed it back, cause we don't know for sure whether he used the same power absorbing ability on Nathan. Also, it makes more sense for him to have absorbed Nathan's ability than to have been given flight and an absorption ability.--Steelymcbeam 08:25, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Was Peter using drugs?

I heard this mentioned and want to know whether or not he was on some form of narcotics.--Steelymcbeam 03:12, 5 February 2009 (EST)

  • ...What? o_O; Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:59, 12 February 2009 (EST)

No I thought that somewhere it was mentioned that Peter was using during ACAPD. Doesn't matter.--Steelymcbeam 04:25, 18 February 2009 (EST)

Should we update the infobox template to add a new row called "original ability"

Placing it above the existing "known abilities" row like:
original ability: empathic mimicry
known abilities: Peter's ability
--HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 02/6/2009 17:20 (EST)

  • Looking through the history for Peter's page, it looks like there has been some editing back and forth to remove that line. I'm not sure why. We should absolutely list is original ability of empathic mimicry. I'll take care of it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2009 (EST)

Only in this page, it makes no sense to change the entire template if only one character is powered but no longer has their original ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:31, 6 February 2009 (EST)

  • However, if another previously powered character (say Hiro, for example) somehow is granted a new ability, I'd be very inclined to make a new field for "original ability". But you're right--as it stands now, I think we're fine just adding a line break or two to the ability field. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:46, 6 February 2009 (EST)
  • Are the "original ability" and "current ability" headings really necessary? It's noted that EM was lost, so it's not like there would be any confusion. I know this is a small thing...I just think the infobox would look better without them. --BardinessBoy 18:34, 6 February 2009 (EST)
    • No. We can also simplify things by changing "Current replicated ability: Flight" to "Flight (replicated)" now that it isn't really a list. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • I think that we should update it, but only for ceartian charactors, for example mohinders would tell that his was unnaturally gained (unlike adam) what it was before the eclipse and what it was after the eclipse. Another thing I think that we should add would be side effects for specific charactors (i.e. Niki/jessica, Hiro, Sylar) I would say to give the dates of abilitie changes but that would sort of cluster up the page.--Hawkeye 12:31, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Whoa, that makes hole

I just watched the scene in Dual where Peter leaps across the fire and flies Nathan out of Pinehearst. Now I watched it in slow motion and if you look carefully, he flies before touching Nathan, and flies immediately after injecting himself with the formula. He manifests Empathic mimicry and flies straight into Nathan, it's not a leap! After he flies into Nathan he continues straight and out of the building. But my point is, this is an example of empathic mimicry, showing that his original ability is still in there, but he is demonstrating it in a different form currently.--Steelymcbeam 10:56, 8 February 2009 (EST)

It still could have been a leap, Ando jumped pretty high when Arthur was wiping Hiro's memory. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 11:26, 8 February 2009 (EST)

  • It looks to me very much like Peter ran across the room. And since we know that he can't gain Nathan's ability without touching him, we know that he couldn't have flown until he made physical contact with his brother. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:38, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Ability Listing

I don't think that Empathic mimicry should not be listed under Peter's picture. He does not have this ability anymore. All that should be listed there is Ability replication and his current ability. --Catalyst 16:58 11 December, 2009

  • It's also pretty explicit that that was his original ability and that he's lost it. I think it should be in the infobox as much as poison emission should be in Maya's infobox. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:01, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Agreed. Although, I don't think we should list ever ability he replicates, only his current one, which would be "Flight". --Powermimic 22:02, 12 February 2009 (EST)
      • I'll second that. If we're not listing similar things on Sylar's page (abilities he's had and lost) we shouldn't here either. --Stevehim 12:24, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Peter still has EM...

Proof BTE Question-I'd just like some clarification regarding Peter's ability. When he injected himself with the formula, he appeared to absorb Nathan's ability the way he used to do with Empathic Mimicry and then took off, grabbing Nathan in the process but now he needs to physically touch people to absorb their ability. Was that intended or was it just a little hiccup on the writers’ part? Answer-No hiccup. This is all just an expansion of Peter’s powers to absorb them on at a time. It’s going to take some time for him to get used to them.--Future21 10:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)

  • Im very happy to hear this as i loved Peter's EM power, but does this mean he regained all his abilities or just EM when he injected himself?--Giveitdeath 10:55, 19 February 2009 (EST)
  • Actually, that's proof that Peter doesn't have empathic mimicry anymore. The question (which is incredibly assumptive in its wording that Peter appears to use empathic mimicry) asks if the scene was a "hiccup" or mistake. The writers said that this was not a mistake. In other words, Peter absorbed Nathan's ability, and that was intentional. Then the writers go on to clarify that the Powerless scene in question is an expansion of Peter's new ability. They are very specific in saying that he only absorbs one ability at a time....Not only is the latest BTE not any kind of proof that Peter has empathic mimicry, it can actually be read as proof that he doesn't have his old ability anymore. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:34, 19 February 2009 (EST)
  • It seems like he absorbed flight with EM but can only hold on too one ability at time either by EM or touch as they said "It’s going to take some time for him to get used to them"--Future21 11:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Abilities exposed to

What is the point of having Abilities exposed to under Peter's article? Sylar doesn't have an Abilities exposed to for the people he was near and could have killed. so why would we need it for peter?--Catalyst

  • Unlike Sylar, Peter automatically absorbs the abilities he's exposed to. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:57, 19 February 2009 (EST)
    • So. He didn't absorb them. so what's the point?
      • The point is listing all the abilities Peter has, even the ones he never used. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:28, 19 February 2009 (EST)
        • If he never used them, doesn't that mean he never absorbed them?
          • No. Peter absorbed all of Sylar's abilities in Homecoming (the writers confirmed this), but didn't use any until Unexpected. He absorbed phasing in How to Stop an Exploding Man, but didn't use it until Four Months Ago. He absorbed electric manipulation in Four Months Ago, but didn't use it until Four Months Later. - Josh (talk/contribs) 20:48, 19 February 2009 (EST)
            • Precisely, Josh. I believe there was a BTE that kind of sparked this whole idea when the writers said that Peter was near Eden, and may have absorbed her ability, but it was unconfirmed one way or another. So, if memory serves correctly, we started archiving abilities Peter was exposed to but hadn't yet used. In fact, Peter used to absorb abilities and he wouldn't realize he had them himself! He healed himself without realizing he could (Homecoming) and he telekinetically fought Claude before knowing he even had the power (Unexpected). Now that Peter has lost empathic mimicry, the list is somewhat moot, but it's a great archive and should remain. If we ever get another episode or graphic novel that goes back in time a bit (there seem to be a couple every season, and this volume is no exception), it'll be nice to know to which abilities Peter was exposed and to which he may have access. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:43, 19 February 2009 (EST)

scar

  • with his new ability peter can now get his scar , because he could get wile replicating another ability --Cj31094 23:29, 23 February 2009 (EST)
    • Remember, too, that Peter has only had a scar in alternate futures. Those futures no longer exist. However, according to the latest BTE, I believe the writers still plan to give him a scar. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2009 (EST)
  • his scar has apeared in every alternative future , so he will get it no mater what --Cj31094
    • There have been three major alternate futures we've seen. Peter had the scar in two of them, and in one of them he was dead. But I don't know if that's a guarantee that he will get the scar. For instance, Matt was a douche in one future, and Suzy Homemaker in another. Claire was dark and mousy in one, and dark and bad ass in another. Hiro was rockin' the Ninja style in one, and looked like a regular office drone in another. I'm not so sure that we know what's going to happen in the future....but it'll be interesting to find out! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:19, 25 February 2009 (EST)
  • i am only saying that he can now have his scar in any moment--Cj31094 21:16, 1 March 2009 (EST)

I think Peter is going to have his scar because in his future \Peter could still absorb multiple abilities. He still had his store of abilities (the future Peter didn't have his powers removed by his father) He had Empathic Mimicry, SO; he could regenerate (from Claire), HOW COULD HE HAVE THE SCAR IF HE CAN REGENERATE???

    • The future has changed, that Peter no longer exists. And don't post the same thing in more than one heading, specially when it has nothing to do with one of them. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:05, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Infobox inconsistency

Why do we only list some of Peter's lost acquired powers (the ones replicated with his new ability) on his infobox? - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:25, 25 February 2009 (EST)

"Passionate One"

Any reason to include the quote from Danko in Cold Wars: "Peter, right? You're the good brother, the passionate one" ? I think it speaks to his character... --SpellingBee~Talk to me!~~Contribs~ 19:54, 25 February 2009 (EST)

Just wondering how you guys felt

Which Peter do you prefer? The old light-hearted, emotional Peter? Or the new hardened, do what it takes Peter?--Steelymcbeam 05:21, 27 February 2009 (EST)

I like both, but I do prefer the new one. The old one was too much of a "Mary Sue" for my liking. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 07:45, 27 February 2009 (EST)
The new one. While both have brains, only the new one uses it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:15, 27 February 2009 (EST)
The new one. I miss his old powers, but he seemed to turn off his brains when he had them.--Cro Magnon 12:24, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I agree with all you guys, the new Peter rocks. The new Peter uses his brain, for example, in "Cold Wars", he was at a dead end in HRG's room of guns with the masked guys coming to capture him. He just threw a canister and off he flew. The old Peter would probably rely on all his powers. He would most probably TK the door open, shoot electricity, and get himself tasered. I prefer old Peter's power (minicry), but I love the new Peter who is smarter and put his power to good use. --JLYK 20:37, 3 March 2009 (EST)
the new one. I have too agree with the above. the old peter was so powerfull, that he could be really stupid at times. the new one however has to rely on thinking. -- tsmarg 11:55, 9 March 2009 (EST)

Poison Emission

Should we put that Peter was exposed to Poison emission from Arthur Petrelli even though he didn't have time to use it as his abilities were stolen straight after. -- Monroej 18:16, 16 March 2009

  • Arthur gained poison emission in the next episode. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:41, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Oh sorry. -- Monroej 18:16, 19 March 2009

Magnetism

Should we put that Peter was exposed to magnetism from The German while he was in Jesse Murphy's body.

  • Nope, he can't access his ability while stuck on someone else, so he wasn't exposed to anything. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:35, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
    • What about Knox's power? When Future Peter expelled Peter from Jesse, Peter absorbed Flint's ability. He was exposed to Knox's fear conversion into enhanced strength too.--Altes 13:52, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
      • We have to treat Knox's enhanced strength and Niki's super strength as the same ability. Peter already had Niki's ability when he was exposed to Knox's. - Josh (talk/contribs) 14:14, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
        • You do understand that Knox's ability wasn't just enhanced strength. Although assignment tracker describes it as ES, it's more than that.--Altes 10:20, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

Wasn't the German present when Peter got out of Jesse Murphy's body? Or are we saying Peter can't absorb abilities from people that are frozen in time?--ERROR 17:28, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I think we're leaving the German off because we don't know if Peter can absorb abilities from the dead. Peter was able to absorb time-frozen Flint's pyrokinesis. - Josh (talk/contribs) 17:52, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
    • We also don't see the German's body after he is killed, we don't know if they moved the body, which only adds to not listing magnetism as an exposed ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:12, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Oh, yeah, I forgot he was dead.

But, y'know, if he was able to absorb abilities from time-frozen people, he should've been able to absorb abilities from dead people. After all, to absorb an ability, all he had to do was be near him.--ERROR 19:48, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

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