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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine plant manipulation's name.
Source/Explanation
The Company's assignment tracker entry for Brendan Lewis explicitly calls his ability "plant manipulation".

Name

Perhaps this ability could be summarized as "florakinesis," as it involves an influence over plant movements as well as plant mimicry.--Jeffrey the Red (talk) 19:10, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Sounds reasonable. The only problem I have with that is that Thomson Jr. believed that some of the plants growing in the area were caused by Lewis' presence, and yet were not Lewis himself (The Kill Squad, Part 1).--Jeffrey the Red (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2008

  • Thompson didn't know for sure. All we know are that they don't normally grow in that area. For all we know, Lewis planted them himself or can create seeds of any variety of plant, but that doesn't mean he controls their movements. There is more than one explanation that complies with the current name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:04, 15 July 2008 (EDT)
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I don't know if the move was such a good idea - while it does say his ability is plant manipulation, it also says he has regeneration. And the way the assignment tracker describes his ability makes it sound more than just plant manipulation.--BardinessBoy 21:35, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

  • Fortunately or unfortunately, however you want to see it, the description doesn't matter as much as the explicit stating of "plant manipulation". Regeneration is likely an aspect of the plant manipulation.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:39, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
    • Not only that, but now I think we should merge this with plant growth. His personal history states: "he discovered that he could slightly manipulate plants to grow faster". So, originally he wasn't just similar, he was exactly like Au Co. With all the multiple "his power evolved" citations, it's clear that his ability developed. Poor Au Co: she would have become some sort of weird plant woman!--Referos 21:56, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
      • Au Co's ability should be discussed on her page, but since you mention it I'll reply here. They are not necessarily the same ability. Just cause they could both do the same thing at an early stage doesn't mean their power was the same or worked in the same way, nor does it mean for certain that their powers would develop in the same way. The only thing we know for sure about Au Co's ability is that she could grow plants rapidly and to abundance (abundance is not something we know Lewis to be able to do). Also, if the Company thought their abilities were the same, then I think Au Co would be listed on Lewis's assignment tracker as someone known to have a similar ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 22:16, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
        • Agreed. It's safer to classify these as two separate abilities unless/until there's some kind of official link to the two. (Admin 23:03, 16 July 2008 (EDT))
          • The Assignment Tracker doesn't list all users with similar abilities that exist, e.g., Matt's profile doesn't list journal female 3, probably because the Company isn't omniscient. Anyway, I think this could be asked in an interview. Or we could wait, it seems that Lewis could be one of season 3 villains.--Referos 13:12, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
            • Referos,Lewis was killed in the GN so the only way we could see his power in Season 3 is if they have someone else who has plant manipulation.SPARTAN-077 12:22, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
              • His profile did say he has the ability to regenerate, but we don't know if it as powerful as rapid cell regeneration, which is capable of reversing death. Anyway, we still have the third part of The Kill Squad.--Referos 12:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
                • Yer I feel that the regeneration is just like the same as plants, they regenerate to a degree and thats what he does. Like if you chopped off this arm it would grow back, like say a tre :) --Skywalkerrbf 12:59, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
  • Lewis's regeneration is an aspect of his main ability of plant manipulation, it's not an extra ability. Several abilities have aspects of other abilities, like how Matt can use his telepathy to paint the future by accessing the state-of-mind used to predict the future even though he doesn't technically have the power of precognition. The same rule applies to Lewis, he can regenerate by mimicking the regenerative properties of plants but he doesn't technically have the power of regeneration. Tsl3161991 00:27, 16 September 2015

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User:Shadowulf1 14:27, 2 August 2008 (EDT)Isn't it possible that he has numerous powers: the ability to manipulate plants (Agrokinesis) as well as the ability to mimic plant-like properties himself (Plant Mimicry)? Couldn't both be exhibited in one evolved human, or would that break the "one human, one ability" rule that I've never heard of?

  • Noah made the comment to Sylar in the episode Fallout that all the others The Company had studied only ever had one ability. It's probably been mentioned in interviews with the writers, too, but I don't have examples. (Admin 14:31, 2 August 2008 (EDT))
    • True, but the Assignment Tracker gave him two abilities. Therequiembellishere 00:05, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
      • We're only acknowledging the first ability mentioned by the tracker. Regeneration was removed from Brendan's ability list here at the Wiki. Technically, the regeneration could be an aspect of his plant manipulation as plants are able to regenerate better than humans. If someone was able to phase completely and become completely transparent to light, then the Company might list invisibility along with phasing as an ability for the person. That doesn't mean the one ability is anything more than an aspect of the other. I do think, though, that it means we're saying we know better than the Company, so I too disagree with not following suit, but not following suit has been the consensus thus far in this case.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:36, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
        • Regeneration was removed from Brendan's ability list on the wiki? Where? It looks like it's still there to me... -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:32, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
          • Oops, it was removed... now it's back again. I didn't realize that it had been re-added.--MiamiVolts (talk) 11:14, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
            • Oh, okay. Well, personally, I think it's best kept on the pages. We're here to document the world of Heroes, not to make our interpretations or to decided what is legit and what's not. It's a dangerous road we take when we start interpreting, making judgments, and inserting our own ideas. Sometimes a bit of informed evaluating is necessary, but in general, we really need to make sure we are just documenting what we see. This isn't aimed at anybody in particular, so I don't want anybody to take offense--this is just meant to be a simple reminder for us to all stay on the right track. If the assignment tracker says regeneration, our pages should say the same thing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
  • May I suggest something? Why not create a section in plant manipulation called "regeneration", then have Lewis's "regeneration" in his article be redirected to this section so that we still follow what the Assignment Tracker says. And, of course, add a note in rapid cell regeneration. I think it's the best option, IMO, because:
  • We follow Noah's rule, which stills trumps the Assignment Tracker no matter what.
  • It way less speculative. Linking Lewis to rapid cell regeneration suggests that his regeneration works similarly to Claire's. We don't know. Let's just leave this aspect of his power in plant manipulation. I mean , how do we even know that the term regeneration is being used there to refer to rapid cell regeneration? Claire's and Linderman's powers have been both explicitly called "healing", just to cite an example where the same term has different meanings.
  • It's less confusing. Each different power has its own page. Simple as that. This entire "split abilities into multiple aspects and add each aspect to a similar ability" is completely chaotic. I mean, Oliver Grigsby said that Julien's clones had a telepathic link. Should we really say that telepathy is an aspect of cloning? And why not merge electromagnetism and lightning and say that the agent has the "hovering" aspect (especially since Future Peter called this ability lightning). Not trying to play devil's advocate, but seriously, these multiple aspects could get out of control.

--Referos 16:50, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Agreed. It's much simpler to keep the aspects with the abilities to cut down on speculation and clutter. FutureSNLWriter 17:36, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
  • The multiple aspects won't get out of control as long as we're following the assignment tracker. Also, we have two different versions of cloning and two different versions of telepathy on the same page, so the argument that it suggests the ability works in the same way doesn't pan out. That said, I supported leaving it as-is before and still do.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:32, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
    • On a side note, I find it funny that the Assignment Tracker lists two abilities under "Unique ability". I mean, they could have at least used the plural.--Referos 18:07, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
  • Just to clarify which should be considered a higher source Noah's comment in Fallout or the AT? Normally i'd agree with Noah's comment being higher but the company has had many interactions with other more complex evolved humans since Fallout. is it now possible for a character to have multiple powers? personally, id prefer plant manipulation as the ability to manipulate plants AND mimic plant-like properties however, the AT lists it as two abilities so it shoukd stay as two until when and if we find out more (eg. next GN interview)
    • Episodes are higher up in the canon hierarchy than Heroes Evolutions content, true. However, one doesn't mean that the other is discounted. The Assignment Tracker page for Brendan lists two abilities quite clearly. Noah's comment to Sylar in Fallout could be read as a general guideline, or perhaps he didn't know about Brendan, or perhaps he was just musing about generalities, or any number of interpretations. Ultimately, it's not up to us to interpret and put our judgments into the content we receive. It's our job on the wiki to catalog and archive all information in the Heroesverse. If the assignment tracker lists two powers, we list two powers. Sure, we can put a note about it on the page, but ultimately, it's our mission to just take what we're given and put it on the wiki. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2008 (EDT)