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Talk:Shanti Suresh

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Shanti's Powers

The show has been vague about Shanti - was she an evolved human or not? Chandra keeps referring to her as "special", and then used her as a catalyst for his research. I say she's evolved - or am I speculating? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2006 (EST)

  • In 6MA, he said she had a fatal genetic defect, and that most evolutionary leaps manifest themselves as flaws (I'm paraphrasing; I don't remember the exact line). It doesn't rule out that she was evolved (and within one sense of the phrase "evolved human", she definitely was ... unfortunately, her power was to die young), but I think it makes it less likely.--Hardvice (talk) 22:49, 3 December 2006 (EST)
    • You're right - I'm projecting an "evolved human" status on her if she were still alive -- it'd be like calling Claire evolved a year ago. Just too premature ... It's just that I just saw her in the "Humans" category, and it struck me funny. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Regarding just what her powers were, we have very little to go on. It must have been something that Chandra would have originally presumed to be a defect, later realized was something more, and then it has to have placed her in some level of suffering. Also the end result of her ability must have been either horrific or otherwise poignant, as to have been such a catapult for Chandra's studies. If what Mohinder recites in the prologues and epilogues of the episodes happens to be passages from Chandra's work, we must presume Chandra had an unique vantage point, through his lost daughter, from which to view this phenomenon. We are led to believe it was her ability which led to her suffering and her death, but we can't assume that she actually is dead, or that she's alive. We can only presume that Chandra believed her to be dead. However, if for example, her power were to separate her molecules until she dissipated like a cloud, she may have over time seemed unable to retain her original shape and faded away, but her consciousness may still exist somewhere. -- ZachsMind 15:42, 14 February 2007 (EST)

First appearance

Characters that don't actually appear should not be listed under "debut". A picture is neither an appearance nor a debut. Shanti has only been mentioned, even though there's a picture of her. The same goes for Takezo Kensai who is oft-mentioned, and was shown in more than one picture, but never "appeared". These characters should also not be listed in the list of character appearances by episode. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

Mohinder seeing Shanti

Did Mohinder say that Shanti died before he was born? Or did he say that he never met his sister? If she died when he was two, it would make perfect sense that he would say he never met her--I don't remember too much from when I was two years old. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:35, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I just looked this one up to be sure, because there's a (rather odd) theory about Mohinder having been born twice (literally, not spiritually). In 7MtM, his mother says "Her name was Shanti. And sh--she was five years old when she died, two years after you were born." In THP, Mohinder tells Molly "This is the first time I've ever seen her. She died before I was born." and later "Unfortunately, I was born a little too late to help my sister." No easy way to reconcile it all, really. It's possible that he was born too late to help his sister under Mama Suresh's timeline (because her disease was too far progressed or something), but then there's Mohinder's flat-out statement that she died before he was born. It's curious. My best guess would be that when Shanti's story was introduced, they hadn't yet planned on reviving the disease for Molly (and making Mohinder's antibodies the deus ex machina cure for it), and that they simply chose to retcon the birth order to make that story work. Definitely a question for Joe and Aron.--Hardvice (talk) 15:05, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Shanti ≠ evolved human

I know there's going to be some people who are not happy about this, but Shanti is not an evolved human, despite Mohinder saying she had remarkable abilities. She has not manifested any of these abilities, and I wouldn't trust Mohinder's word, since he really never knew his sister. What he knows of her, he learned from his mother and from some dreams. I'm open to a discussion about the issue (and I'll try to bring it up with Mark tonight), but I would advise being prudent, especially considering that Season Two promises to bring to light more information about Shanti. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Leave it for now. Season Two will confirm details. --DocM 18:16, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
    • A better approach, would be to add her to the list of 'Suspected Evolved Humans' at the bottom of the EH page. That should be the best fit until we get more substantial info on what her powers were. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/11/2007 18:40 (EST)
      • Oh, I actually thought she was already there. :) I'll add her now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Since the issue of the journal folks was brought up, I agree they should probably not be listed as evolved humans. Their powers were no more certain than Shanti's. Chandra was very careful to note that they only had potential powers, not manifested powers. I'm all in favor of un-EH-ing them. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2007 (EDT)