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We look into this too much

  • honestly, does the object shatter? yes. Why don't we just call it Shattering then? It is in the description of the power anyway. Someone said that describing the ability isn't the same as the effects. uh yeah it is. I know I haven't been on heroes wiki in awhile but I do come on every so often and lately I've seen a big pattern of "so and so's power". Why can't we just name powers with the description. Jason Garrick 19:43, 9 February 2009 (EST)
  • Yea i agree with Jason, Trevor shatters objects so lets call it shattering>
    • I wish it was that simple, but then we might as well call it Pointing finger at glass and making a gun gesture to make it shatter. --IronyUTC CH 19:01, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
      • 'Cause who's to say that if he were to shoot something else it would shatter? If you shoot a gun at a glass, the glass will shatter. If you shoot it at wood, it'll splinter. If you shoot it at metal, it'll likely just get a hole or dent. He pointed it at Sylar. Granted, Sylar stopped him before he could use it, but had he been able to use it, do you honestly believe that Sylar would have shattered like the glass did? We don't know enough about it to name it. Read through all the arguments.--Riddler 20:13, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
    • It's still speculative to assume that because he pointed his finger at Sylar, that he could use his ability on him. It could be that he was just joking around with Sylar and cannot use his ability on non-solids.Barbedknives 22:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
  • Sylar isn't solid? Also, Jason Garrick, I agree with you. The others are overthinking this... And especially this.--ERROR 22:45, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
  • How about 'Shooting'? It is just simple. --Charlie 05:39, 1 January 2010 (EST)

Telekinetic Missile Projection

  • How about that?

User:Wikopedicman 18:43, 26 February 2009 (EST)

    • Unfortunately, there's nothing to suggest that it was anything more than breaking glasses. Thus, any other name (such as your suggestion) is too speculative to use on the page. --Crazylicious 20:13, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Plus, if it projects telekinetic missiles, then it's telekinesis--or at least a byproduct of it.--ERROR 22:42, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

is it that hard

why do you guys have to overthink EVERYTHING here on heroeswiki?... I mean, why is it, that the second "Shattering" was named a power, you guys had to came along and have a discussion page with a million other names, that suit the power worse. News flash: Stop trying to make wikipedia perfect, because nothing's perfect. You're discussing this power's name ever since it came along and as of this day, it still hasn't been moved... What a world... -- Meteoritu 0:55, March 16th 2009

  • People like to bring up dead points. It HAS been moved to the appropriate name.--Riddler 04:26, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
    • "Somebody's ability" is always appropriate, but never perfect! --Juba 05:19, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
      • I totally agree with meteoritu, when an ability like this comes up everyone goes mental with their own suggestions, that you seem to miss the obvious. imo, shattering would work - its vague enough to cover probably all possibilities. we didnt have any problem with 'crumpling'. --Lolwut 13:36, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
        • I think Trevor's ability is a perfect example of why only "voting" for your favorite choice is not an ideal way to find consensus. I think it would be much better to list choices, then voice dissent over any that absolutely don't belong. The discussion for that suggested method of finding consensus can be found at this link. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:31, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Ability description

I suggest we specify on the page itself that Trevor has only shown his ability as shattering glass, but that it might actually me kinetic energy propulsion or something similiar, since he DID aim for Sylar. This is not a name change request, but just something to make the info more precise.--Ikkian 22:36, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Everyone: Get off the dead horse!

OK...just please face it everyone, it's over... I wanna just stamp a giant irrelevant sign on this every time i see it. The horse has been shot, beaten, Sylarized, and nuked... Unless we get word from a writer or actor then the name will probably stay. I don't know if anyone will read this post seeing how it is so small in comparison to the 897 other posts above trying to get their point across, and i know you may not care but i thought i should just vocalize my thoughts in hopes that this'll stop the 898th post trying to get their 2 cents.--Anthony Gooch 17:14, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Poat? What's a poat?--ERROR 19:28, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Sorry...i meant "point" "post"--Anthony Gooch 20:47, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

And that point of yours being...? That we can't name this ability until a writer or actor names it? If so, why do you think this?--ERROR 21:11, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

      • Those are the only actual canon sources.--Anthony Gooch 02:03, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Do you see levels 4 and 5 on the naming convention? If so, then you see we don't need a canon source to name this ability. Everybody is trying to use level 5 on the naming convention. And what horse were you talking about earlier? And fix your grammar!--ERROR 22:31, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

The horse is the issue, it's "dead" because it's been over discussed. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:09, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Can I point out

I know this ability has never had a consensus, but on the main page it says he his ability is to shatter objects. If we have this as his ability then his name should be changed (I am only saying), but until we get confirmation do you not think we should change what his ability does? Since we do not actually know what his ability process is, we need to change shattering or change his name. This is the simple truth. We can not have Trevor's ability if we say he shatters objects, which I personally think would be shattering, but if we keep it as Trevor's ability we need to change it. --posted by Laughingdevilboy Talk 11:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

  • The page says now Trevor makes the glass explode. So? It seems to be true as well as 'shattering'. -- Altes 03:31, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

I know no consensus was reached...

...but a name sparked in my head that appears to fit the ability: Blasting. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:29, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Ummm, this name is so unclear. :-( -- Altes 12:48, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
    • The ability is unclear, blasting describes what he did to the glass perfectly: he blasted it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:06, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
      • It just doesn't sound right.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 23:37, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
        • It's neither too wide nor too narrow. Some people linked this ability to Piper Halliwell's power in Charmed, the name they used in that show didn't fly here, so this is the best name replacement I could find for what she could do. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:38, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
          • Bump. I'd like to hear people's opinions on this name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:54, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I might be mistaken, but didn't the writers state that it was a variation of Tom's ability in the most recent Behind the Eclipse? --Referos 15:52, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
“So what exactly would you call Tom Miller's ability? The same thing as Trevor's thing from Volume 3, or something different?”

It looked like a variation of Trevor’s power to us, right? The original iteration of his power involved him snapping and looking out at a chimney across the way – but it was another thing jettisoned in preproduction – as it was deemed too difficult to produce.

However, now that I have reread the quote, it feels somewhat unclear whether or not they are the same abilities.--Referos 17:13, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I think we chose the least speculative option. Anyway, what do you think of the name "blasting" for Trevor's ability? I have yet to find a valid argument invalidating this name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:30, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I like it; I think it fits with everything we saw: blasting explains Trevor exploding the glass and it also explains anything he could have done against Sylar.--Referos 17:43, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Spread the word then, the name may have occurred a bit late for me, but if enough people discuss this, we might actually rename this power, it'll finally cease to be a "So and so's ability". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:52, 30 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I don't really like this name, but I'd rather have Blasting than Trevor's Ability!--Hiroman 18:11, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Canon Name

So I was reading an issue of the Heroes Magazine and they had an article about all of Sylar's victims, and it said what there power was, and for Trevor, it said it is "Molecular Compustion".

So that's a canon source I believe.--Icefire227 19:13, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

  • That's a secondary source at best, and Trevor's Ability already trumped some BTE interviews. --TraverseTown 20:35, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I don't think it is canon, but it's a good start. I'm also gonna guess it's "Molecular Combustion". --Ikkian 20:36, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
      • The blasting suggestion I made in the topic above this one was based on this name, it has the same effect but in a less speculative name. I'd like to see a scan of that article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:45, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
  • The magazine is neither a canon source, nor a near-canon source. In fact, it may not be a secondary source, unless the information came directly from a writer or producer. It fits under the same category as NBC.com, which is a "credible source", but not always reliable. (Heck, they refer to Noah as "HRG" in the description.) The magazine is often written by people outside the world of Heroes, who take their information from Heroes Wiki, Wikipedia, and other fan sources sometimes. And while we're on the subject of the this image, it's not an example of the power in use, and it really doesn't belong on this page. I'll link to it in the notes, though, since it's definitely noteworthy. For the record, I'm not opposed to the term "molecular combustion" to describe Trevor's ability. I'm only opposed to using the magazine as a canon--or even secondary--source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree with RGS in regards to the status of the magazine in terms of canon being unknown. But I think it's pretty clear that it's somewhere about a tier-6 power like we're at now. The magazine must have some higher claim to canon that we the viewers do, and we can't just assume they got it off our site or something. I think we should move it to Molecular Combustion until a higher tier name can be found.--Piemanmoo 03:23, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
      • You're right that we can't assume the magazine article writer took a name off our site...but we also can't assume that the magazine article writer has some higher claim to canon than we do. Although that's often true, it's certainly not always the case. If it were mentioned in an interview with an episode writer or something like that, then sure, it would be totally admissible as a secondary source. But since we don't know where it came from (I don't even know who wrote the article), we really can't assume that it's from a reliable source. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree with Ryan that the magazine article cannot be used as a source unless it credits the names to a staff writer. It is the same situation if an ET or TV Guide article names an ability. Being used in the press doesn't automatically make it a secondary source. As for 'molecular combustion', Ted C noted that he didn't think there was any indication that was how Trevor's ability worked. Maybe we could just use 'combustion' to make it broad enough to incorporate the possibility that it could also be 'subsonic resonance'?--MiamiVolts (talk) 04:14, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
      • Ryan, do you think you can see with your contacts if the name actually came from a writer? It would be great if we can finally name this ability, if it's confirmed we'll never have to worry about this one again. Even if it doesn't come from a writer, well, there's always blasting (yes, I'll shamelessly try to push that name for as long as I can). Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
        • I'm not sure whom I would ask...Any idea who wrote the article? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:54, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
          • Not sure who, but you could ask Jman2k3, he/she's the one who uploaded the original magazine scan, he/she probably has it and could see who wrote the article. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:03, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

What the heck is a writter?

I think you mean writer...--ERROR 19:25, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

Speed typing makes way for typos. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:27, 29 May 2009 (EDT) Yes, it does (And I see you edited your post.). Icefire227, how is the magazine a canon source? Canon sources are the episodes, no more, no less.

I wish we could go with this. It's a better name than we have now, but it doesn't come from a writer... Or maybe it does. I don't think so.--ERROR 16:37, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Maybe if Trevor used his ability on a person, nothing would happen, but he was desperate - he was being attacked. If you were being attacked, you would grab anything to try to defend yourself, even if it is too fragile (like bread), but it's better than nothing, it's a natural reaction. Mateussf 22:19, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Naming his ability for what it might not do makes no sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:43, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Honestly, if he was trying to defend himself by using his power on Sylar (assuming he knows he can use it on things that are not made of glass), that would actually be supporting evidence in favor of "molecular combustion" or something in the vicinity. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:51, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

Can Trevor's ability do something other than just shatter glass and is it also Tom's?

Anyone ever thought what Trevor was gonna do to Gabriel when he pointed at him.If his ability is shattering,well,how can you shatter a person?(please do not say freezing!thats ice)can he actually make different effects on different objects with his ability.Well,then the list kinda is like this- 1.Shatter-ice,glass,other glass like objects(fragile ones) 2.Explode-More soft stuff like organs,flesh etc 3.Implode-Probably almost anything that can implode 4.Collapse-Like Tom's ability,collapse really hard objects that cant easily shatter,implode/explode. Well do you guys think with this info that Trevor can probably do all that and if Tom was just using the same ability to breakdown the figure?--ZeroTime 04:56, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Trevor's ability was confirmed to be a different, yet similar ability to Tom's in a BTE interview. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:33, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
    • I still bet Trevor's ability was intended to be a "kinetic energy propulsion" whereas Tom's ability is more of a "ultrasound propulsion", but we apparently don't have "enough" clues for that. --Ikkian 14:59, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
      • No, we have plenty of clues. It's just that those clues lead us to a couple dozen different explanations. We can't tell which explanation is correct without speculating. --Ice Vision (talk) 19:36, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
  • I know its till speculation but Tom seemed worried about killing Sylar with his ability and Trevor tried to "shatter" Sylar,so could they really have the same ability?--ZeroTime 07:56, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Name

Not wanting to drag up past discussion, but I just wanted to ask if people think this is a credible name. As the ability is described as "causing glass to explode" more or less on the ability's page, I personally believe that if we can't go with shattering, we can certainly take it that he can make things explode. We saw him make two glasses explode, and as many people have assumed, he tried to inflict damage on to Sylar as well. I think that rather than trying to 'shatter' Sylar, he tried to cause him to explode on a minor scale. I'm not sure if you could say a gun causes an explosion, but when it inflicts a wound it causes something of an explosion on the skin. This leads me ot my first suggestion: Induced explosion, which I am not 100% happy with as it is not exactly the kind of explosion you'd think of.

My second idea is that perhaps we could sum up what the ability does as damaging. This is because when you damage a glass, it shatters. Shattering is a type of damage which occurs on glass. However, if you were snap a piece of wood it would splinter, not shatter because that is not how damage affects wood. As many have speculated, Trevor's ability works very close to that of a gun, and a gun causes damage, to people and material. A gun doesn't shatter everything, only things which can be shattered. This has led me to believe the ability could also be called Induced damage or Induced damaging.

This is only my speculation, I myself do not deem them completely accurate, but I wanted to add my own input to this discussion. Thanks! SylarMonroe 08:32, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

  • I think his power is more like holding an invisible gun. So it would anything a gun would, i.e: shattering glass, trying to kill sylar... --Trevorrrj 03:25, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I personally quite like Kinetic projection, but that's just me... Robotnick2 07:22, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

How do you feel about Blasting? It's simpler, accurate, and as far as I can see, it's not speculative. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:38, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

That's no better than the other million names we've had, you're just making up names on the spot. We don't even truly know how the power works so those could have negative connotations towards its true mechanics which may be revealed at a later date. Unless of course I can cerfiy the cerdentials of that article in the heroes magazine, in which case it should change to Molecular Combustion, though said credentials are proving ahrd to track down...Wiccid 16:57, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Blasting accurately describes what he did to the glass, the fact it doesn't say how prevents it from being speculation on the process that causes the blasting, regardless of the mechanics, it blasted the glass. I've put this name down a long time ago and I'm merely trying to see what people think of it, also, I put this forward in case it wasn't a show writer who named the ability as molecular combustion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:06, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

  • I'll vouch for Blasting since the rest is apparently too speculative. --Ikkian 17:54, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
    • I'd support Blasting, (if we can use it as an alternative to XXXX's ability!) --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 06/3/2009 18:30 (EST)

Just a thought, what about projected blast or projected explosion? SylarMonroe 12:01, 8 June 2009 (EDT)


Don't you just wish...

I wish there was another Villain's/1961 - esque episode, showing Sylar demonstrating Trev's ability, maybe, thought not likely naming it and maybe picking up a few new aptly named ones that explain maybe how he survived getting shot, shot again, stabbed, eletrocuted etc. I know he could just have been really tough but, a watchmaker from Queens, is that likely?!!

  • I wish. But negative - there's no need to show more of Sylar's history from Volume One only to explain what that power was. -- Altes 03:43, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Spacecowboykinesis

Nuff said. -- Altes 03:43, 16 July 2009 (EDT) Nuff said. -- Altes 03:43, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

  • Just noticed this. So I'm not the only one who thought Jamiroquai when I first saw Trevor. Awesome. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 21:28, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Molecular combustion

Okay, so is this name canon or not? It was seen in Heroes Magazine. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

Let us end this at last

We had a quote from BTE all this time about what this ability really is.

"What was Trevor's ability, exactly? Could he shatter objects, the only thing we ever saw him do with his power, or did he essentially fire telekinetic bullets?"


That’s a really good question, St. Sword. A really good one. And our only answer makes us a bit sad. Every once in a while, we hand in an episode with reminders such as "make sure it’s a power that Sylar clearly has when we first meet him" but in the heat and excitement of production, it becomes making glasses explode by pointing your finger. We can’t be everywhere at all times, sadly. So the power as we know, is "pointing your finger and making glasses explode." At least we understand why Sylar hasn’t used it much.

So the only canon name we have is "glass exploding". Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Well, maybe his ability is just a different form of telekinesis. --Scorvi12 06:29, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I agree. I don't see why we can't just grow up and accept "glass exploding" as the name: it has the higher ranking than "Trevor's ability". --Radicell 06:32, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
      • Anything but x's ability! --Juba 09:08, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
        • He clearly intended to use it against Sylar, and unless he is made of glass, this wouldn't fit. "Shattering" is a better fit.--Ratclaws 09:18, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
          • Tracy also clearly turns into water, but it is out of the boundaries of her ability name, "freezing". But we still use "freezing" since it is the most canon. Similarly, "glass shattering" is the most canon name we have and should definitely be used. --Radicell 09:55, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Like I said in pretty much every occasion I had: "blasting" is the perfect name for it. It's not speculative because it doesn't imply the way the ability works, it fits what it did to the glass, and it doesn't limit its effects. If he used it against wood, it wouldn't shatter, it would splinter. It's the least speculative name I could think of, I just wish I could have thought it when we first saw this ability. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:28, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
              • We haven't received any new information about Trevor's ability, so I'm not sure why we're still having a debate. Regardless, my issue with "glass breaking" is that Trevor tried to use the ability on Sylar. Sylar is not made of glass. It's certainly possible that Trevor was just trying anything he could to stop Sylar, but the fact is that he tried to use the ability on Sylar. Therefore I don't feel comfortable saying he used a "glass breaking" ability on Sylar. (Nor do I feel comfortable conjecturing that he only used the ability to break Sylar's spectacles.) Ultimately, this is a power that we've seen the results of, but we really don't know very much about how it's accomplished. Until we receive more information, I can't see this ability being called anything but "Trevor's ability". In fact, I even take the quote above from Joe and Aron to be their tongue-in-cheek way of saying that there is no name for this ability. It can only be named in a full description. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:08, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                  • Not knowing its exact effects is the exact reason why I'm being so pushy about "blasting": the effects change according to what you blast, so this doesn't restrain what the ability does, nor does it add something that it doesn't do. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:15, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                    • It certainly doesn't sound like a consensus, though. I mean, this thread is about renaming the ability "glass shattering". I'm not sure our community will be coming to a consensus on this name any time soon. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:24, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                      • I made a section putting it forward in the past, but hardly anyone commented on it. I've been bumping it ever since when there's an opportunity (like now) to see if other people will read it, but so far, it hasn't. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:33, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                        • I know, it's frustrating. We simply can't all agree on a non-speculative name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:37, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                          • I'm trying to leverage this "is this spontaneous combustion" situation to see if someone sees it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:42, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                            • I know "glass breaking" doesn't exactly make much sense if someone thinks that he tried to use it on Sylar. But it's the most canon name we've got. It's more canon than "Trevor's ability", so we should be using it. Isn't this the way the rules work? --Radicell 21:07, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
                              • It's not canonical at all. That name comes from a description in a secondary source (which, frankly, I believe was used to make a point that the ability can't be named). For me, the issue comes down to the fact that "glass breaking" may or may not be speculative; it may or may not be too narrow. "Trevor's ability" is never speculative, and it's never too narrow. It's obviously not a great name, but we have to remember that it's an ability we don't know very much about. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:54, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
                                • But it's still from a secondary source, no? Which is level 3 on the food chain. "Trevor's ability" is level 6. Look at "freezing": it is definitely too narrow, yet we still use it because it's the name with the highest ranking on the Power Names hierarchy. --Radicell 01:04, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
                                  • Still, I don't think we can take Joe and Aron's comment seriously that Trevor's ability should be named "pointing your finger and making glasses explode". I think they were purposely making the point that you can't name the ability. Additionally, I don't think we can determine with any certainty the effects, limitations, causes, mechanisms, or nature of Trevor's ability. That jumps us right down to "level 6" of our naming conventions. Nor has our community every been able to come to a consensus on a name for Trevor's ability. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Remember, Sylar was wearing glasses at the time. So keep in mind that Trevor may have tried to use his ability to blow up his glasses thus harming his eyes. Could this be speculative? No more than it is saying he wasn't trying to blog up his glasses. We simply don't know, but the glasses renders the argument that "the power doesn't only works on glass" not fact. --OutbackZack 01:38, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
  • So it will remain as Trevor's ability... Well, I enjoyed the discussion anyway. Thank you, guys. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
    • Where would "blasting" go? I think it's a good level 5 description, I have yet to find an argument which makes this name unviable. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:22, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
      • I'd like to hear people's opinions on this name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:53, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I really like this name, the problem is - we don't know if Trevor could even harm Sylar. He tried, but Sylar stopped him. So his power may work on glass only... Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • Glass breaking gives a limit we don't know if the ability has, blasting doesn't. It's the "neither wide nor narrow" name we've been searching for so long. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:39, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
            • Blasting is a great name. I'm in favor. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 18:06, 3 November 2009 (EST)
              • Blasting is good for me to. Even we haven't been shown yet, I'm sure that ability can be used at other things too, not just at glass.

Heroes Magazine

If it's in the official magazine, why not use the name?--Rod 17:54, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

  • No telling if the person who wrote the article is an actual episode writter. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:22, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Right. The "Official Magazine" is a bit of misnomer. At most, it's a secondary source (see help:sources). But until we know who the writer of the article is, it's just an article from a fan, which has no more authority on the subject than Heroes Wiki, Wikipedia, or any other source written by fans. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

Archive

If any page needs an archive, it's this page. I don't know how to do it, but can somebody with experience please get in here with some serious archiving firepower? It's not like you need to see the same arguement reiterated a hundred and fifty times.--Uncanny474 21:19, 12 October 2009

  • Thanks, Radicell, for archiving this page.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:21, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

CAN WE REALLY CHANGE IT NOW?

Can we really be sensible about this and give it a proper name now. Let's have a concensus now. --mc_hammark 18:04, 3 November 2009 (EST)

  • What are the options being discussed currently? Blasting and glass breaking/exploding?--Referos 17:49, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • I vote for glass exploding--Yoshi n1 17:50, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • No, blasting. Trevor was aiming at Sylar, meaning it could work on not just glass. It's the kind of thing you'd test out. --mc_hammark 17:52, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • Blasting, as mc hammark said-- By Danko CH 17:53, 5 November 2009 (EST)
          • I like shattering, it seems more appropriate for what the ability does, problem is we've only ever seen him use it on one type of material so we don't really know what would happen to other materials - Jenx222 | U / T / C 17:56, 5 November 2009 (EST)
            • My vote would be for shattering. But like Jenx222 said, we didn't see much of it. We saw him use it on one material and we only saw him use it for all of one minute. Not enough info, so I say leave it. But if we are changing, then shattering for me.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:58, 5 November 2009 (EST)
              • If it just shattered then the glass would just break, but you can see some sort of smoke come off it, like you do with blasters (in star wars anyway). And we are. I find it truly against my OCD to have X's ability on the ability page. --mc_hammark 17:59, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                • When something shatters it does create a sort of smoke or residual dust that looks like smoke, but there really isn't enough evidence to say - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:02, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                  • The problem with "shattering" is that not all things shatter. If Trevor did manage to use his ability on Sylar, I don't think he'd shatter. If Trevor used his ability in a bunch of wood, it wouldn't shatter, it would most likely splinter. That's why I suggested blasting, because it doesn't limit the effects of the abilities when it is used in other materials. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:12, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                    • Ok ok shattering is cool, lets just do it now.. --Yoshi n1 18:13, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                      • You mean "blasting" right? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:14, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                        • Could someone please create a proper consensus check, or we won't arrive anywhere. I don't know how to properly do one.--Referos 18:16, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                          • Again, "shattering" doesn't work. This was the first name people came up with it, and the reason we named it "Trevor's ability" was because there was no other good enough descriptive name. Why do you prefer shattering over blasting? Can't you see why the name is inaccurate? Plus, it's not a majority thing. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:23, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                            • From what we know and have seen, Trevor shattered glass, that's all we know, so we can't really call the name inaccurate but you can't call it accurate either, there's just not enough information and I doubt there ever will be - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:32, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                              • He shattered the glass. He intended to use his ability on Sylar. Blasting has less potential for innacuracy than "shattering" does. It's a good descriptive name. He did blast the glass, and being glass, it shattered. Saying it's shattering can mean he could shatter Sylar, which doesn't make much sense. Saying he wanted to blast Sylar makes perfect sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:35, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                                • If we want to go with blasting then let's go with blasting, that's the point of the consensus, we can't know for sure if anything would have even happened to Sylar, There just isn't enough information............blasting it is then - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:39, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                                  • We did it finally:D --Yoshi n1 18:41, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Consensus - This is it

Shattering

  1. --Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:18, 5 November 2009 (EST), seems appropriate
  2. --Radicell 18:49, 5 November 2009 (EST) (Blasting 2nd choice)
  3. --Hiroman 02:54, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  4. --Leckie -- Talk 15:10, 18 November 2009 (EST) (Although Blasting is my second choice, I think Kinetic projection would be better then both of these)
  5. --User:50000JH 16:11, 6 January 2010 (EST)

Blasting

  1. ---- By Danko CH 18:21, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  2. --Ratclaws 18:21, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  3. ----Yoshi n1 18:20, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  4. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:45, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  5. --Boom D  12  20:37, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  6. ----Jmfdr 23:31, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  7. --mc_hammark 15:16, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  8. ----TanderixUTCR 21:29 (Italy), 6 November 2009 (EST)
  9. --Sander326 19:10, 7 November 2009 (EST)
  10. --NileQT87 01:03, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  11. --Piemanmoo 20:13, 8 November 2009 (EST) (although i think Kinetic projection is more decriptive
  12. --Skullman1392 21:16, 8 November 2009 (EST)
  13. --Icykidd 00:05, 16 November 2009 (EST)
  14. --PJDEP 21:51, 18 November 2009 (EST)
  15. --Swm 08:39, 3 December 2009 (EST)

Other
Trevor's ability

  1. --Riddler 15:44, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  2. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  3. --Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:35, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  4. -- Jan Rodrigo (talk) (contributions) 09:11, 3 December 2009 (EST)


Notes
With how much votes are we going to end it?--Yoshi n1 18:21, 5 November 2009 (EST)

  • We'll see where the majority goes, maybe 10+ - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:25, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • Like I said, it's not a majority thing. Read the archive. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:26, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • Im sorry but i just like shattering--Yoshi n1 18:27, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • It's not accurate, not when Trevor wanting to use his ability on Sylar means Sylar would shatter. He blasted the glass, he wanted to blast Sylar. Nothing inaccurate there. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:30, 5 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ok i changed my vote.--Yoshi n1 18:31, 5 November 2009 (EST)
            • Now for you, Jenx222, you know blasting's the better option-- By Danko CH 18:32, 5 November 2009 (EST)
              • Im sorry Jenx222 but should we just change is to blasting, i mean it's better then Tervor's ability.--Yoshi n1 18:38, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                • No need for apologies, this is how consensuses work, lol - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:42, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                • Dyu want to move your sig Jenx222 and add yours IE?-- By Danko CH 18:44, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                  • Those dammed edit conflicts.
                    • Lol actually i need to cause i got to the other side --Yoshi n1 18:46, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                      • You just did mine edit conflict :P--Yoshi n1 18:46, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                        • No, I'm still voting for shattering, that's my opinion, but I'll be happy with what the consensus decides - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:47, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                          • I don't understand that "tried to use the power on Sylar" argument. If his ability is to shatter things, and he did shatter the glasses, then if he tried to use it on Sylar, Sylar would shatter. There's nothing wrong with that, and nothing that implies he wouldn't be able to use the power on Sylar if it were shattering. --Radicell 18:49, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                            • When are we going to change it?--Yoshi n1 18:52, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                              • That's the argument that kept this ability from being named "shattering" in the past, no point in not taking it in consideration now. Blasting eliminates the one possible argument against "shattering". I have yet to see an argument which can invalidate the name "blasting". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:52, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                              • I think it's based upon the fact that the human body can't shatter, yet the human body can't fly, manipulate time and space or control fire?, Consensuses take time, it wont happen overnight, lol - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:54, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                              • When Trevor was trying to use his ability on Sylar, isn't it posible he was trying to shatter his glasses, to blind him? That sounds better than Trevor shattering (or blasting) Sylar's body apart!--Hiroman 02:54, 6 November 2009 (EST)
                                • Yoshi, I think that waiting a day to change is best. Gives as many people as possible the chance to look and decide.--Ratclaws 18:56, 5 November 2009 (EST)
                                  • Yeah we should do that, so we really now for sure what the people want.--Yoshi n1 18:57, 5 November 2009 (EST)
  • There's no consensus. The name will have to remain "Trevor's ability". I'm not sure why we're having a consensus check on an ability that has had no new information released about it for about a year. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2009 (EST)
    • I think people were getting excited that we agreed on "Cloaking", so they want to get more names filled in.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 01:01, 6 November 2009 (EST)
      • Other than the two names listed above both being gerunds like "cloaking", I'm not sure what Teddy's ability has to do with Trevor's ability. But either way, there is definitely no consensus for a name here. It's probably better off--we know so little about Trevor's ability that we skate the line of being speculative by naming it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:05, 6 November 2009 (EST)

I hate to start it again... But BTE said, "So the power as we know, is "pointing your finger and making glasses explode." At least we understand why Sylar hasn't used it much." Doesn't it imply that Trevor's ability can only be used on glass? Trevor tried to harm Sylar, but who's to say it would work? Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • Ryan, it's like I said before. I looked back on the one thing that kept everyone from supporting "shattering", it was the "he tried to use it on Sylar, bodies don't shatter" argument, so I went and figured out a name that still describes what we did see accurately. I don't even understand why "shattering" was eligible now, when there was no agreement on it in the past. Blasting isn't limited by the single argument which kept this from becoming "shattering" in the past. And once again, I ask this to each and everyone of you: can you give me an argument, any argument that makes "blasting" an invalid name other than "I don't like it"? Think like this: if you had never seen this ability, if it was never suggested to you that this ability was called "shattering", and then someone told you it was called "blasting", how would you feel about the name? I've seen people liking this name every time I asked them about it until now, people just don't talk. All I'm to do is get this ability named and put this whole issue behind the community, I'm trying to move this thing forward. We didn't like when AT gave us "puppet master", but we went forward with that. Is it so hard to see this is a good, fitting name? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:25, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  • And the other thing you have to remember is that if you blast certain things, they will explode, blast others and they will shatter. --mc_hammark 15:24, 6 November 2009 (EST)
    • Should we stop here with the concensus?--Yoshi n1 16:32, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Good luck getting anywhere. With the current 'consensus' system we have going, you could have the most perfect, concise term possible for an ability only to have one dude object and fillibuster the whole process. Then a week later a new consensus check is had and most of not all the previous entries are forgotten. -Barbedknives (talk)15:20, 6 November 2009 (EST)

  • This has been pointed out in the past, but alas, nothing was done. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:13, 6 November 2009 (EST)
    • Sylar was wearing glasses. He could have been going for shattering his glasses. Is it not possible Trevor was aiming for his eyes?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:17, 6 November 2009 (EST)
      • This was pointed out before, but I didn't go anywhere, at least I can't see it going anywhere in the archive. Plus, saying Trevor pointed specifically at Sylar's glasses is rather speculative. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:28, 6 November 2009 (EST)
        • Trevor pointing at Sylar's body is speculative too. Too hard to say.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:29, 6 November 2009 (EST)
          • Yeah, but what are the chances of Trevor thinking "I know, I'll shatter his glasses so he can't see. Never mind that he can just take them off and then kill me." I doubt he was aiming for the glasses. --mc_hammark 17:36, 6 November 2009 (EST)
            • But he didn't take them off. If Sylar hadn't been so quick with the TK, he could have impaled his eyes with his glasses.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:47, 6 November 2009 (EST)
  • I think we need to realise what the facts are if we are ever going to reach a consensus:
  1. Trevor shattered a glass by pointing his finger
  2. The writer's description of his ability is "pointing your finger and making glasses explode"

They are the facts, everything else would be speculation - Jenx222 | U / T / C 17:59, 6 November 2009 (EST)

    • "Explode" is the key word. Not shatter, explode. Blasting makes things explode. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:18, 6 November 2009 (EST)
      • Shattering makes things explode as well "To cause to break or burst suddenly into pieces, as with a violent blow." They are very closely matched, I don't think we can ever reach a consensus with these, what about looking back at molecular combustion?, I'd be happy with molecular combustion - Jenx222 | U / T / C 18:27, 6 November 2009 (EST)
        • It was called that in the "Offical" Heroes Magazine, but we have no idea who wrote it. There has to be a way to find that out.--Ratclaws 18:31, 6 November 2009 (EST)
          • Ryan, can you pull some of your connections and ask any crew member what they think on these names? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:34, 6 November 2009 (EST)
            • Yeah Ryan, use your ability and help us end this clusterfuck once and for all.--Piemanmoo 18:36, 6 November 2009 (EST)
              • I still want to see if someone can answer the question I made in my third to last post before this one, on invalidating the "blasting" name. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:39, 6 November 2009 (EST)
                • Ryan has said that a "blast" connotes a jet of air, which is speculative. Frankly, I do see his point, but the overall picture is that sadly a consensus won't be reached. --Radicell 21:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)
                  • My answer above is not a refuting of the term "blasting", but an answer to the question of how "blasting" could be considered speculative. I think the term could be speculative, but not necessarily. Ultimately, we don't have enough information about the power to say one way or the other. But you're right, we definitely don't have consensus. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:35, 6 November 2009 (EST)
              • Asked and answered. The writers' answer was a facetious way of saying that it's an unnamed power. I don't really feel comfortable asking the question again, especially considering that 1) they have already answered the question (just not the way we want), and 2) nothing new has been revealed about this ability in the last year. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:35, 6 November 2009 (EST)

Empath, I quoted BTE to say that no one of Sylar's victims was ever "blasted". Frozen, impaled, decapitated, Sylarized, but never blasted. Like I said, Trevor's power may not work on anything other than glass, and BTE said this could be "why Sylar hasn't used it much". We saw him explode glass - let's name it "glass exploding" or "glass shattering", it's the only thing we've ever seen Trevor do. Green.gif AltesUTC CH

  • As long as the name indicates that he explodes things, I'm fine with it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:18, 7 November 2009 (EST)
    • Ok, i think its time to stop the concensus now and name it to blasting, we left the concensus here for 2 days(atleast in my country), everyone had enough time to vote.--Yoshi n1 09:59, 7 November 2009 (EST)
      • You can't just go jumping the gun. Not everyone has relatively agreed. There is still much argument over this.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 10:13, 7 November 2009 (EST)
        • That's right, Catalyst. Yoshi, this is not a vote for majority, but a check to see if there is consensus. In rare occasions, I believe we have allowed for consensus even where there is just one or two dissenters. However, that is definitely not the case here. Our community has not come to consensus over the name for Trevor's ability. That was the case a year ago, and that is still the case, even now. But you're right, we should stop the consensus check--there is no consensus. We can certainly hold another check if more information is ever revealed about the power. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:12, 7 November 2009 (EST)
          • So, you are saying that we just should keep the name Trevor's ability? Mabye you're right because we almost got no information about this ability but its also very doubtable that we are going to get more information..--Yoshi n1 11:20, 7 November 2009 (EST)
            • It looks like that's our only viable choice. Our community can't come to consensus over a name. There is very little information the ability. When the writers were asked about a name, they gave a sarcastic answer that basically said, "This ability has no name." -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2009 (EST)
              • I thought it was agreed there would be no name change. If so, why are people still adding their signatures to their choice of name above?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 21:19, 8 November 2009 (EST)
                • Who says I can't add my name if I want to? And from what I read, two people said we shouldn't try to name it anymore; it wasn't "agreed" upon. One or two people's comments that have the same point of view does not make an agreement. --Skullman1392 21:48, 8 November 2009 (EST)
                  • I never said you couldn't. My mistake. I could have swore more people agreed. Never mind. :/ --Catalyst · Talk · HL 22:06, 8 November 2009 (EST)
                    • What we do agree on, however, is that our community is not agreed on any one name. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:11, 8 November 2009 (EST)
                    • How about we do this: Whenever any ability is unnamed for a long enough period of time and it causes enough drama, the admins all come together on what they feel it should be called. If the writers dont feel like naming it, then they can't be mad if we come up with our own. So we basicaly just ask RGS what he thinks it should be called, besides X's ability, and leave it at that. We then wash our hands of the matter, and leave it as that. --Piemanmoo 23:36, 8 November 2009 (EST)
                      • Summary: this was done previously with bliss and horror, the admins didn't like it because it made admins' opinion more important than normal users', so the new system where no consensus = ability defaults to "Possessor's ability" was introduced. And while I hate "Possessor's ability", I don't feel we should just try to blindly remove all of them--Referos 14:45, 9 November 2009 (EST)
  • Is this motion dead?--PJDEP 17:16, 29 November 2009 (EST)
    • There's no consensus so it'll probably stay as it is for now - Jenx222 | U / T / C 09:16, 3 December 2009 (EST)

What his abililty does

Trevor has the ability to shatter objects. It would make sense if the ability was to be called Molecular Combustion becuase the molecules of the object Trevor points at combust causing the object to shatter.

  • So if I use this on wood it would shatter? I don't think it would, it could splinter. What it does do is make things explode, it blows stuff up. The effect seen is because glass shatters, no matter if I throw something at it, or if I throw the glass at something, or on the floor, it shatters. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:29, 13 November 2009 (EST)
    • I still think this is the best name. Plus, didn't the Heroes magazine call it that? --Skullman1392 14:22, 13 November 2009 (EST)
      • We don't know if the guy who named the ability in the magazine is someone actually involved in making the episodes. Someone like a writer. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:39, 13 November 2009 (EST)
        • We don't know what his ability does. There are a number of possibilities. Maybe he makes things shatter. Maybe he fires a concentrated force of something that was strong enough to break glass, but would merely push other things. Maybe he fires a thin piece of ice or a needle that we couldn't see, and the force broke the glass. The point I'm making is, we only saw it used once on a material that shatters (that's what glass does.). He was going to use it on Sylar, but as a human, he likely wouldn't shatter. If used on wood, maybe the wood would splinter. If used on concrete, maybe it's crumble. I'd like to link you to my archived argument, as food for thought. Talk:Trevor's_ability/Archive_1#Name change debate continued.--Riddler 15:15, 13 November 2009 (EST)
          • I know, I've used that argument myself quite sometimes. I also remember using this and this to support the fact that the glass didn't shatter, it exploded, shattering is a consequence of the explosion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:36, 13 November 2009 (EST)
              • I completely agree with you it should be molec. combustion, becuase there was some visible force that expaned outward causing the glass to shatter. If that force was used on wood, it would definately splinter and on, say, Sylar, his head would explode. Its too bad the writers like Sylar so much, that would've been sweet lol --Skullman1392 15:51, 13 November 2009 (EST)
                • If, and only if, we get confirmation that the person who named it molecular combustion in the magazine was an actual episode writer, I'll support it, otherwise anything that denotes exploding and blowing up is good for me. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:54, 13 November 2009 (EST)
                  • Can I get a source for your definition of exploding? None of the ones I can find say that something shattering is something exploding. An explosion requires some kind of chemical change, and it's a sudden burst of energy. I don't recall anything like that for this ability. He just "shot" the glass and it broke.--Riddler 16:21, 13 November 2009 (EST)
                    • Merriam-Webster, it says pretty much what you said: "to burst forth with sudden violence or noise from internal energy". Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:36, 13 November 2009 (EST)
                      • And that's not what happened when he "shot" the glass...? It just shattered.--Riddler 21:17, 13 November 2009 (EST)
  • Why does it matter if a fan made up the name Molecular Combustion, it makes perfectly good sense. The molecules of the object combust causing the object to explode.
    • We don't know if he's doing anything to the molecules, to begin with. Furthermore, when one thinks of combustion they usually think of a firey burst. Really, as it's been said, we haven't had any new information in a year. I don't get why we're still discussing it.--Riddler 00:23, 14 November 2009 (EST)
  • I just rewatched his scenes, and there is clearly a purplish form of energy that starts inside the glass and expands outward. This force is large enough to cuase a glass to shatter. It sounds and looks like an explosion to me. If you don't have a Season 3 DVD, look at the pictures a few post above mine, you can see said force. --Skullman1392 02:04, 14 November 2009 (EST)
    • See a couple links in one of my comments above in this section, you can see that there is some sort of energy, though I wouldn't say purplish, it could appear purplish because the glasses were a bit tinted. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:06, 14 November 2009 (EST)
  • "Molecular combustion" is a redundant term, since combustion always involves molecules. It's a shame they couldn't have given him a "slicing" power that Sylar would later use for brain removal. That would've been rather neat. - Hive 01:31, 23 January 2010 (EST)

Sound

This is entirely speculative, so I'm not suggesting a name for the ability, but just have a theory on how it might work. I'm not a physics student, but don't high-pitched sounds shatter glass sometimes? It may be that Trevor's ability is able to release a concentrated high-pitched sound wave towards whatever he was pointing at. On most objects it probably wouldn't have any noticeable effect (once again, I don't know much about physics so this may be inaccurate), but if concentrated on glass it would make it explode, explaining why the ability makes glass explode but nothing else. Also, when he tried to use his ability on Sylar, obviously it wouldn't affect his bodily structure but it might cripple his hearing, disorienting him.

The one gaping flaw with this is that Trevor's ability doesn't make a high-pitched noise if I remember correctly. It's possible that the blast of sound is only directed at the object so it can't be heard unless pointed at a person, or it may be such a high pitch that it can't be heard by the human ear. Like I said, this is entirely speculation I'm not going to suggest it for any name change, I'm just wondering if the community could shed any light on whether this is possible or likely. I'd also like to know whether high pitches exploding glass is just a myth, because this is all just babbling otherwise.--PJDEP 22:13, 18 November 2009 (EST)

  • You can in fact shatter glass with just your voice (a myth confirmed on MythBusters a few years back). It all has to do with what the above person is referring to: resonant frequency. A very interesting theory, that this could be Trevor's power. --Ricard Desi (t,c) 00:55, 19 November 2009 (EST)