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Talk:Spontaneous combustion

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible

Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine spontaneous combustion's name.
Source/Explanation
In Boom, Noah explicitly states the ability name.


Trevor

Anyone caught the similarity between Amanda's power and Trevor's? Both make objects explode. AltesUTC CH

But Trevor's Ability has no sign of burning or anything like that.--Icefire227 15:11, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • I agree with Icefire. Trevor's ability is more like shattering not exploding.--WarGrowlmon18 18:14, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Possibly that Trevor's was more a tamed version, didn't the writers say that Arthur's power was like Pete's but more advanced? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 20:19, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes there was burning, check this out: AltesUTC CH
  • Plus, Heroes Magazine called Trevor's ability "Molecular combustion" . . . - Mike the Man-child!
    • There is a similarity, but it seems Amanda's is based in her mood. She reacts on emotion, whereas Trevor was more clinical. Like the difference between Daphne and Edgar -- Mr Zeddemore 17:53, 7th October 2009
      • Oh boy, I looked at the talk page for Tevor's ability, and I don't want that to happen again, but it does seem to be the same, except that Amanda has no control over it.--Ratclaws 13:39, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
        • Just beacuse one user of an ability has much more control over it than another or use it differently, doesn't necessarily make them different abilities. Look at Meredith and Flint; Niki and Mohinder; Linderman and Ishi; and Tracy and Sylar. --ElleFanBoy 15:34, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
          • We still have no word on whether the person who named Trevor's power in that article was an actual writer of the show, not just someone who simply named the ability. AFA Trevor's ability is concerned, I'd call it blasting, it's simple and accurate. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:58, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
            • I would like, in fact LOVE, for this theory to be true, but, as cliché as it sounds, we have no conclusive proof of this being the same as Trevor's power. Sure, we have this, but unless we see the same effect used every time Trevor shatters a glass, then I don't think it can conclusively be called the same power unless confirmed by a writer. Sweet image, though :). -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/- 21:18, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
              • You got me here. Trevor exploded glass twice more, without fire. And that confuses me. AltesUTC CH

Wait--this isn't pyrokinesis?

This is a completely new power, but Knox's power is simply lumped under enhanced strength? Am I missing something? Was there an Assignment Tracker or BTE or something that I can never find that I missed again?--Uncanny474 21:15, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Noah named it in last week's graphic novel. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
  • Pyrokinesis implies that the person can control and manipulate fire, Amanda doesn't seem to have any control over her power, maybe it's an underdeveloped version of pyrokinesis or maybe it's something completely different, either way it doesn't seem like pyrokinesis at the moment -- Jenx222 · U · T · C 13:18, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I looked at it again. I thought he was just saying that to manipulate Meridith, but at a second look, apparently he is naming it. Can't say I'm happy (it's exactely the same >:-( ) but I can't argue with canon.--Uncanny474 11:05, 14 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm in the tank for calling this pyrokinesis, too- despite canon, she's setting things on fire with her mind. When she learns some control over it, I have a feeling she won't be limited to accidentally setting objects on fire. Product Placement 16:36, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
      • If she can create fire without throwing it from her hand, she doesn't have pyrokinesis. Everyone with pyrokinesis creates fire by throwing it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:18, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Main image change

We have video of her starting a fire from Slowburn, I'd much rather use a live action image to a GN one. We just need to upload it. We'll be needing an examples page too, methinks. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:03, 14 October 2009 (EDT)

Carnival's Flowers

She really was burning the flowers on Amanda's Journey, Part 2, when she finally arrives to the Sullivan Bros. Carnival? Or it was just red flowers? If it's true, we dont have to add on examples of this ability? Gabrielense 16:11, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

  • pretty sure they were on fireGamerelite1 21:26, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Just "combustion"

the new istory simply calls it combustion. --mc_hammark 13:10, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

  • That makes more sense. Spontaneous means it's completely unplanned.Gamerelite1 17:00, 25 November 2009 (EST)
    • "Spontaneous combustion" came from a GN, which is a higher canon source than the iStory.--Referos 19:31, 25 November 2009 (EST)
      • It is? Since when? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:22, 25 November 2009 (EST)
        • Ah, sorry. Because in Template:Power names the order for near-canon sources are given as Webisodes, GNs, iStory, Evolutions (rather than simply alphabetical order), I thought that this order should be used when there is a "draw" between near-canon sources.--Referos 16:59, 26 November 2009 (EST)
      • Both are Tier-2, either could theoretically be correct canonically. Personally, I'm more a fan of "combustion" ("spontaneous" is almost more a reference to her lack of control initially). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 20:27, 25 November 2009 (EST)
        • Combustion alone makes the most sense.--Ratclaws 22:48, 25 November 2009 (EST)
          • For me, spontaneous in this ability name refers to the fact that things simply catch fire, the fire isn't thrown at it, the ability makes the fire appear "on its own", so to speak. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:55, 26 November 2009 (EST)
  • Combustion just refers to the process of burning something. Spontaneous can be defined as "performed or occurring as a result of a sudden inner impulse or inclination and without premeditation or external stimulus". While not a perfect name, Spontaneous combustion seems to be a more appropriate name for her ability then combustion, and they both come from equally ranked sources anyway.--PJDEP 22:18, 26 November 2009 (EST)
    • If you look here the definition of "Spontaneous Combustion" is "self-ignition of combustible material through chemical action (as oxidation) of its constituents". For it to be spontaneous combustion then there would have to be a chemical involvement and it would have to be a combustable material. Saying that amanda can only burn certain materials is speculation, which makes the name kind of speculative. Combustion simply means to burn, and is not speculative at all. --mc_hammark 11:21, 27 November 2009 (EST)
      • If Amanda's power just manipulated the material itself into exploding, rather then igniting with her own-self generated fire (which is what appears to happen), spontaneous combustion is indeed an adequate name. Also, I feel as if combustion isn't specific enough, both pyrokinesis and fire breathing are combustion. Adding "spontaneous" to the name makes it more unique.--PJDEP 15:59, 27 November 2009 (EST)

Fire manipulation

  • This ability was referred to as 'fire manipulation' in the latest Heroes Interactive, so I added a redirect here. I think the name should remain the same, though, since Heroes Interactive is only a secondary source.--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2009 (EST)