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Sylar's absorbed powers

  • A note to everyone: we should be careful about saying Sylar has absorbed the powers of anyone he has killed. Unless we have seen him actually use the power in an episode, it's still speculation to say for sure that he has it. For example, he almost certainly has Charlie's power, but it's possible he doesn't. Maybe he decided it was lame. Maybe he couldn't copy it without copying the blood clot. The point is, until he uses it, we can't be certain he gained it. It's okay to note that he should have it, based on the fact that he killed her and removed her brain, but that's all we can really say.

    I know this whole "confirmed vs. unconfirmed" thing is a pain when something is staring you in the face, but if we aim to be enyclopaedic then we have to be very careful about what we say with certainty and what we label as speculative, probable, or likely.

    For more on what's an acceptable source for what kind of declaration, see Help:Sources.--Hardvice (talk) 11:54, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Sylar, Hiro and Issac

  • In Don't Look Back, Hiro goes to visit Isaac's home in the not so future only to find him dead with his head cut open and his brain missing. Is this enough evidence to include it as Sylar or not? Or perhaps another section in this article with possible Sylar sightings?Dadadave 00:06, 8 November 2006 (EST)
    • I would say count it. He's the only one we know of currently stealing people's brains, plus the section's already got an "unconfirmed" warning, so I think we're safe to include it. (Admin 00:21, 8 November 2006 (EST))

Sylar absorbing powers

  • Why do we assume Sylar's eating the brains? Are we that morbid? :) While it's a popular theory, I suspect if he's harnessing their powers he's doing something a little more interesting. Perhaps extracting cells from the brain and injecting them into his own? Or even splicing the DNA with his own. Maybe Chandra helped him learn how to do it? Let's face it, if you eat a brain you're just going to digest it and absorb the amino acids and other basic components, not the DNA. :) There's no problem with including the "brain eating" as is since we're only using it in the Fan Theories sections, but it's still amusing how many of us just assume he's eating the brains he takes. heh. (Admin 19:02, 14 November 2006 (EST))
    • What, you mean you don't enjoy a nice tasty brain every now and then ? --Orne 15:26, 20 November 2006 (EST)
      • In all honesty, I believe you are right. Rereading the Sylar answering machine message, I believe Chandra "made" Sylar by enhancing his latent genes, making him a Patient Zero in effect. The map is basically showing "power" lines, and where the two lines cross, there is a potential for an individual to have the powers that the colors represent. Likewise, HRG's Organization knows this too, and is capturing and enhancing individuals by 'activating evolution'. Sylar knows this too, and is probably capturing and extracting the genes from the brains of the dead, possibly to enhance his own powerset. --Orne 15:26, 20 November 2006 (EST)
    • As long as it's in a Fan Theories section, I personally don't really mind if we say Sylar is Ann Coulter in man-drag. Personally, I think the brain eating thing sounds really silly, and if it's true I'll lose a ton of respect for the writers, but it is a popular theory. But honestly, the whole brain thing could be as simple as making sure that dead heroes stay dead. We don't have any proof that he necessarily knows what his victims can do, but a de-brainsed hero seems like a safe bet for a dead hero, even if they can regenerate or play dead or something. Also, as we see with Charlie, it's a heck of a lot quicker than pinning somebody to the walls and forcing the family silver into them one place setting at a time, which gives them less of a chance to use their powers to retaliate. But I suspect since he takes the brains, he's up to something with them. But he's not necessarily eating them. Heck, he's a serial killer ... maybe they're just trophies.--Hardvice (talk) 15:57, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Grey or Gray?

As I was adding the Gabriel Grey info to this article earlier tonight, I thought of something. Is it "Gray" or "Grey"? I wasn't watching the episode with closed captioning (will do that tomorrow), so perhaps it will confirm it there. I'm just not certain at this point, so if anyone knows for sure at the moment, feel free to correct/confirm this. --ZyberGoat 00:33, 28 November 2006 (EST)

  • Since I'm anal about information, I went and checked my DVR. The CC shows Chandra asking "Mr. Gray?" so I suppose that's the correct spelling, and will need to be fixed throughout the site. I've already changed it on Sylar. --ZyberGoat 01:00, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • In addition, the sign on the front of the clock store Gabriel's working at says "Gray & Sons" so it's definitely Gray. (Admin 01:05, 28 November 2006 (EST))
      • Good catch ... I did a search for "grey" and only came up with Grey's Anatomy (who knew!) I think they're all fixed... Ryangibsonstewart 01:13, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Picture of Sylar

Can we get a better picture of Sylar? Either from "Homecoming" or from one of the previews? Ryangibsonstewart 17:35, 21 November 2006 (EST)

Powers

I would like to offer that Sylar's apparent displays of other powers and abilities may actually be advanced honing and development of telekinesis.

  • Sylar's extraordinary jump could be assisted by his telekinesis.
  • Likewise, feats of super strength could be Sylar using his telekinesis to either weaken his opponents or assist his own movements. This is supported by his tearing off the doors in the school hall and hurling them at Peter with ease. His telekinesis seems clearly strong enough to have lifted Molly Walker bodily off the ground. He slammed Claire into the wall with more than enough force to kill or at least seriously maim her.
  • His lack of injury from being shot at by Matt with the bullets subsequently falling to the ground could be a sort of telekinetically-induced "bulletproof armor".
  • Sylar's slicing open of heads could be a very finely attuned focusing of telekinetic ability as well.

The only thing not explained by this is the cryogenic freezing, which could be due to some other factor. Glue 18:54, 21 November 2006 (EST)

  • Actually, since freezing things is just slowing down molecules, a really powerful telekinetic could do that.

In the current powers section, "regeneration" is listed. I don't think we see evidence of regeneration as much as superhuman durability or resistance to injury. He doesn't heal wounds quickly, but he appears to be superhumanly difficult to injure in the first place.

Based on Mohinder's conversation in "Fallout", Sylar would appear to have murdered six superhumans for their powers.

Name in infobox

I propose using the character's full legal name in the infobox, rather than his alias or nickname.

  • Well, we have a spot in the infobox for formal name. We don't have one for the name they are currently using. It makes more sense to me to label the character with the name they actually go by, and note any differences in formal name accordingly. In any case, Gabriel "Sylar" Grey makes it sound like he still uses "Grey" as a surname, which he doesn't. He clearly tells Brian Davis that he's "Gabriel Sylar", so Sylar is an assumed surname, not a nickname. Anyone else have an opinion on this?--Hardvice (talk) 00:38, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • At this point I think his name should remain just Sylar with his other names mentioned as his formal name and alias. He's still known in the present time only as "Sylar" so it's entirely possible the "Gabriel Sylar" was just a transition name... he may yet drop the Gabriel and be referred throughout the series as Sylar. I'd recommend leaving his name as Sylar until we find out for certain what they're going to do. (Admin 00:51, 28 November 2006 (EST))
      • Agreed. He should absolutely be called "Sylar" since that's how the general population knows him. Even Chandra called him Sylar, and he's really the only one who knew him as Grey. Besides, I assume the rest of "Heroes" will not take place in the past when Sylar was known as Grey. I say keep it "Sylar" with a note in the infobox and scattered throughout the site. Ryangibsonstewart 00:54, 28 November 2006 (EST)

Name for Sylar's primary power

  • What would be a good name for his original power? He basically has the ability to see how things go together which is how he's able to see how to incorporate the powers held in other brains into his own. The scene where he's building a watch out of other parts is a great analogy to what he's doing with himself. But what's the name for this power? (Admin 00:56, 28 November 2006 (EST))
    • On the Theories page, someone compared it to Micah's power, which I guess isn't far off. Perhaps it's a sort of technopathy that extends beyond mechanical objects? It reminds me a bit of low latent inhibition which was used as a plot device for Michael's character on Prison Break. He's able to see all the pieces of everything instead of seeing the whole. --ZyberGoat 01:03, 28 November 2006 (EST)
      • I thought of Michael Scofield also ... but I think it's too early to call Gabriel evolved until after he becomes Sylar and kills Brian Davis ... I think his ability is less of an evolutionary super power, and more of just a really cool talent. I wouldn't assign him a power yet based solely on "Six Months Ago" -- and we don't know exactly how he acquired telepathy in that episode. If the brain-eating theory is true, that wouldn't be a power - that would work for anybody. Ryangibsonstewart 01:06, 28 November 2006 (EST)
        • I agree 100%. We just don't know enough at present to say anything other than that he has taken Brian Davis's power. I think or best bet is to note that he might have a power of his own (he showed up on the list, after all) but if so it's not known. Chandra didn't seem to think enough of Gabriel's talent to call it a superpower. Still, it seems pretty clear he can do things most people can't as far as his mechanical or systems aptitude is concerned. Time will tell, most likely.--Hardvice (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2006 (EST)
        • Given the realistic standards of the series, I find it extremely unlikely that a powerless human would find a way to transfer a superpower to himself, and in a single day even, and a guy with no real scientific training to boot. The series is also about evolved humans, I don't think Gabriel's "talent" is something else, it must be a power, and it is pretty clear to me that this power has something to do with his power copying, I doubt any normal human could do the same. It seems to me that Chandra and Gabriel both were expecting something more flashy and were disappointed, so they overlooked Gabriel's ability. Gabriel himself didn't think much of it, because it tied to his watchmaker business. Renenarciso 09:40, 3 December 2006 (EST)
          • I actually agree with you completely, but it's still speculation at this point. The only thing we can say with certainty is that he now has telekinesis. Hopefully, tomorrow's episode will clear things up to the point where we can name it (Mechanical intuition? Micro systems analysis? or perhaps just good ol' Power absorption -- it's possible one's a talent and the other a power, after all) and add it to the page.--Hardvice (talk) 12:04, 3 December 2006 (EST)
  • Ok, we still don't have a really good name for the power and it's becoming pretty obvious that it is indeed a power he has. Currently I see "Mechanical intuition" listed which, despite what could be a potentially broad interpretation of the term mechanical I think conveys the wrong idea. Maybe "Functional intuition?" or even "Biological/Mechanical intuition" might suffice. We need something concise and can elaborate a little more on the Powers page. (Admin 23:16, 4 December 2006 (EST))
    • "Functional intuition" or "Systems intuition" is probably better. But then, anything's better than a fourteen-word sentence fragment.--Hardvice (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2006 (EST)
      • Definitely, agreed. We need something concise for the name of the power and then we can feel free to elaborate on the description on the Power page. We just need to decide on something that sounds appropriate since I'm not aware of an existing name for this power already. (Admin 23:27, 4 December 2006 (EST))
        • I vote for "Biomechanical intuition" - I think it's concise and clear. It excludes his ability to fix watches, but I don't think that matters too much. The other option that wasn't mentioned was simply "Intuition", but I don't think that's accurate or descriptive enough. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:42, 4 December 2006 (EST)
          • Intuitive aptitude, maybe? It makes it clear what he does, but leaves open what he does it on.--Hardvice (talk) 23:47, 4 December 2006 (EST)
            • Nailed it! "Intuitive aptitude" is the best I've heard yet! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2006 (EST)
            • I like it. It doesn't exclude anything which I do think is important. Plus it'll probably encourage people to click on it to find out just what "Intuitive aptitude" is supposed to be. :) (Admin 01:06, 5 December 2006 (EST))

Speculation on Sylar's Power

Okay, there's been a lot of back-and-forth about Sylar's powers, suspected powers, etc. I vote that we put all speculation about his powers in the theories section until we have more concrete and confirmed info. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2006 (EST)

  • From the extended previews for next episode, I think it will be cleared up on Monday.--Hardvice (talk) 23:55, 30 November 2006 (EST)
  • Also, we are definitely not calling it "To fix things and know exactly how they work." That's not the name of a power, it's a description (and a sentence fragment to boot). If that ends up being the sum total of his ability, then my money is on "Mechanical (or Systems) intuition" until we learn its actual name.--Hardvice (talk) 12:13, 3 December 2006 (EST)
    • I like the "Mechanical intuition" idea, although I wish there were a good concise way to emphasize that mechanical in this case also covers biomechanics. It can be made very clear on the Powers page, but it would be helpful if it were clear in the name of the power as well. (Admin 23:30, 4 December 2006 (EST))
      • I think "Systems" or "Functional" or even "Bio/mechanical" would work.--Hardvice (talk) 23:39, 4 December 2006 (EST)
  • Even today there's still been a lot of back and forth on his suspected powers. Confirmed powers are the intuitive aptitude and telekinesis. Can we move the others onto the Theories page and just keep them there until we have some proof? Right now even rapid cellular regeneration is listed on Sylar's page and the fact that Mr. Bennet's people had to fix him up plus that he's going after Claire are strong pieces of proof to the contrary. (Admin 21:52, 5 December 2006 (EST))
    • We already did move them to theories. They keep getting restored. But we should try again.--Hardvice (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2006 (EST)

Pictures of Sylar

  • Since Sylar is so particular about his identity (Sylar vs Gabriel Gray) do we want to reflect that in the images? The man pictured in the infobox is clearly Gabriel Gray and looks very very different from the man we now know is Sylar. Comments?
    • Seems like a good idea. I think we should try to get a picture of him from Fallout and use that as the main picture for Sylar. The current one could be moved down the page somewhere and be captioned Gabriel Gray instead. (Admin 11:42, 6 December 2006 (EST))
    • Yeah, I actually u/l'ed the Gabriel Gray image for Patient Zero and it got used here. I agree 100%.--Hardvice (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2006 (EST)
      • How about the one of him in white, sitting in his cell, all zen-like? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:39, 6 December 2006 (EST)
      • I've just made a screencap of Sylar right before fight with Eden and put it as Sylar image. I also used Image:Patient zero.jpg image next to Six Month ago episode notes. →Zarevak 13:55, 6 December 2006 (EST)

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the Article says "This list was first compiled by Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon in the 12th century C.E"

That's incorrect. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot