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Delete

I don't see any reason to have this as a separate ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 10:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

  • Keep - We have plant growth and plant manipulation which are similar, but different. --Pinkkeith 10:57, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
    • I don't see any reason to keep this as a separate ability. "Similar but different" warrants separate articles (just like Debbie and Piper are similar, but should be different articles). However, articles that are about a subject that is incorporated by something larger should be separate articles. Strain 138 redirects to a section of Shanti virus, just as it should. Brooklyn redirects to a section of New York, NY, just as it should. Teleportation, too, should redirect to a section of space-time manipulation. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
      • If we are going to take this approach we should be redirecting plant growth to plant manipulation and we should also state that Teleporter has the ability space-time manipulation instead of teleportation since we are claiming that are the same thing. I don't mind one way or the other, but we should be consistent and uniform in our naming conventions regarding articles. --Pinkkeith 14:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
        • Given that there is characters said to have teleportation as their ability it should have it's own article as well. To only redirect teleportation to space-time manipulation would be to say that the teleporter's ability is the same as the space-time manipulator's ability to bend space - and to say that is speculation; we don't have anything to back up such a statement.
        • So - to put it short: A strong'keep! Pierre 14:45, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
          • This is a bit complicated I think. We know that the Teleporter can't teleport as far as Hiro and that he can't bend time (confirmed in an interview). However, there are two possibilities: either he has a different ability than Hiro, or he has the same ability, but is not as experienced. If we had seen this ability being used, I would say it should get its own article, for the same reasons that plant growth and plant manipulation aren't merged (we don't know if Au Co had a different ability than Lewis, or if she had the same ability, but at a lower development level). However! We haven't seen this ability being used, therefore, it's unconfirmed. Like dynamic camouflage, transportation, deoxygenation and weather control, it shouldn't get its own article. I suppose that a note in space-time manipulation will suffice.--Referos 15:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

My two cents:
A)it is making an asumptive and speculative leap to redirect this with Space-time manipulation. The writer of the GN told us that Teleporter cannot bend time or go as far as Hiro. Right now we are saying that the Teleporter and Hiro have the same ability, which may not be true. I take Mark Sable's words as face value, that is to say, it is physicaly imposible for Teleporter to bend time. Bottom line, we need to treat Teleportation as a separate ability from space-time manip. This is the same as the difference between the electrical abilities (electromagnetism, lightning, and electrical absorption) and the plant abilities (plant growth and plant manipulation). There are aparent diferences between the members of those ability groups, and we are told that there are diferences between Teleporter and Hiro. long story short, space-time manip and teleportation are different and separate. Teleportation should not redirect to Space time manip.
B) Just as we havent seen Deoxygenation, Weather control, et al., this ability to is unseen, and thus we do not have enough info to make an article on it. Because it is unseen, it unconfirmed to us. Therefore we need to redirect this to List of abilities#List of Unconfirmed Abilities. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Consensus check

Just putting this here.

Keep as a redirect to Space-time manipulation

  1. MiamiVolts (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
  2. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk)
  3. Jason Garrick 00:24, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
  4. Therequiembellishere 00:13, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
  5. Skywalkerrbf 00:13, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
  6. Friskymuffin - (talk) 04:31, 11 August 2008 (EDT) (as long as we add information about teleporter and his use of "teleportation" onto space-time manipulation page)


Toss and treat Teleportation like we treat Deoxygenation and Weather control

  1. SacValleyDweller (talk) 21:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
  2. Pierre 06:38, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
  3. Referos 09:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
  4. --Pinkkeith 10:53, 1 August 2008 (EDT)
  5. Ericcarner 08:45, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
  6. Iceman 11:42, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
  7. Piemanmoo 04:16, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
  8. Rybo5000 18:48 11 August 2008 (EDT) (This is me voting Teleporation as seperate power right? :S)

Split the two abilities into different pages

  1. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 11:13, 18 December 2008 (EST) - I agree that we should split the ability. Why exactly would we compare this to Deoxygenation and Weather Control? The ability has been demonstrated to us through Rachel Mills unlike the other two.
  2. --Ricard Desi 14:12, 18 December 2008 (EST) ONLY if it's made abundantly clear through The Recruit that they are distinct.

Which

I don't get this consensus. Which one exactly is saying that we need to split the two abilites? and to avoid my confusion, I've made a new section in the choices. --NiveKJ13 (talk2me) 11:12, 18 December 2008 (EST)

  • This is an old consensus. New information has negated old decisions. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:01, 18 December 2008 (EST)

My View

If someone was searching for Hiros power, they would promerly call it teleportation any way. And the teleporter guy might not of used his power but we did actually see him. --Skywalkerrbf 07:51, 10 August 2008 (EDT)

  • Agree. I'm not sure what the above consensus check means when it says to treat teleportation like we treat deoxygenation, but if it means redirecting teleportation to list of abilities, that certainly won't happen. Most of the links on this site about teleportation are related to Hiro, or are examples of Hiro using that facet of his ability. We definitely won't be creating a bunch of red links for a legitimate power and a legitimate search term. At the very least, it'll be a redirect to space-time manipulation, which I'll take care of now. If others would like to discuss the validity of the power deserving its own page, that's fine. But I don't think it's wise to discuss deleting the redirect altogether, or to discuss making the redirect point to a general reference page listing all the powers. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:26, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
    • I think it is fine as it is now, explicitly putting the Teleporter and Tracy in the unconfirmed section, but if we eventually get a confirmation that space-time manipulation and teleportation are completely different powers, they should be separated.--Referos 11:57, 10 August 2008 (EDT)
    • If we are going to redirect teleportation to space-time manipulation should we say that Manuel Garcia has the ability of space-time manipulation rather then teleportation? --Pinkkeith 15:56, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
      • I don't think so. We don't have any evidence he has more than teleportation. Therequiembellishere 19:29, 11 August 2008 (EDT)
        • Yes, and, as far as we know, Hiro could for example teleport by moving through higher dimensions, while Manuel could perform some sort of quantum teleportation; so, in theory, they shouldn't have the same ability. However, I understand that it would be too messy to separate teleportation from space-time manipulation, so I don't mind leaving it as it is now.--Referos 20:01, 11 August 2008 (EDT)