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As of this date and time, the article I am attempting to edit is completely inaccurate. In fact, the page has been reverted to ''exactly'' the same one as I've been trying to change; save a section or two (Evolved Human Abilities). In my opinion, the photo I've recently uploaded is far more similar in tone to the other characters' pages and not nearly as blurry as the previous one. Of course, since no official (colored) promo pic was released for Tracy Strauss, it is entirely up to you. I also suggest going with my more developed character summary and not the one which erroneously refers to the governor of New York as the senator. Once again, these are just small quibbles that I think need fixing and the decision is entirely up to you... [[User:Smokezilla|Smokezilla]]
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== Water and Ice Manipulation ==
*Names given in near-canon sources: If the ability is unnamed in canon sources but is named in a graphic novel or in Heroes Evolutions, that name should be used. Found it in the Naming Convention page, Water and Ice Manipulation were said in the graphic novel. What do you think, at least this time the name comes from them and it fits her ability now more than Freezing --[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 03:23, 29 November 2009 (EST)
**The graphic novel (near-canon) said "water and ice manipulation".  The episode (canon) said "freezing". --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 11:09, 29 November 2009 (EST)
***Correct at time of naming, not any more. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:55, 29 November 2009 (EST)
**** Some said above that the Freezing name were used because it came up here, and the situation now for Tracy was like on Jeremy their ability both evolved into something else. And the naming convention page says that "When a possible name for an ability appears in a canon, near-canon, or secondary source, it is important to consider whether the name describes the ability itself or merely one or more of its effects or applications: As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability." The name Freezing even though it came from a canon source doesn't include all aspect of the ability that she have right now. --[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 00:00, 30 November 2009 (EST)
*****The discussion on the Freezing page about whether to include Tracy seems to have stalled. Anybody have anything else to say on this? [[User:Swmystery|Swm]] 11:21, 3 December 2009 (EST)
****** How do you manipulate ice? Reconstruct? Selective freezing? I think you guys shouldn't argue with your own eyes. Tracy can freeze and can turn into water by free will. Done and done. Is it so hard to define this? Getting overreacted over names? Really? --[[User:Shlakime|shlakime]] 10:39, 22 February 2010 (EST)


If anyone has any further plans to edit this page, please notify me whenever you do. I'd hate to re-edit the administrator's intended layout. [[User:Smokezilla|Smokezilla]]
== Anyone else feels like Tracy should meet Niki? ==


: What do you mean? Are you getting edit conflicts or something? That just means someone else completed an edit before you did and it doesn't know what to do with the changes you tried to make now since the article is different. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
Sorry if people think this is useless topic haha, but I feel like I had to ask and share this question with fans. So I know some people hated the character of Niki Sanders, just because she was all emo and stuff. Personally I digged the whole Niki/Jessica storyline and enjoyed it. Unfortunately in Season 2 the character of Niki sort of lost her spot after (stupid writers error 1) her family broke in two with [[D.L.]] dying. Who else thought that was uncalled for too? (stupid writers error 2) --> the whole zimmerman storyline .. i liked the fact some where injected, but the triplets it wasn't detailed as to how the girls got seperated and who were their parents etc. If they didn't rush that I think the link between Niki and Tracy (Barbara) would've been better..


:: Yeah, that's it. Can't figure out who keeps editing it, though. Sorry - I'm just so damn determined to make sure this page is as lengthy and accurate as possible. However, if anyone wants to give the episode summaries a shot I'm all for it. [[User:Smokezilla|Smokezilla]]
Anyways my big question is .. after re-watching the Cold-Snap episode where [[Tracy]] and [[Micah]] re-meet but this time as Rebel and Tracy *having killed people* I saw this amazing bond between the two, cuz they've been through so much since their first encounter. It looks like, cuz of her blood-link to Nikki, she only really really cares for Micah. And she feels obligated to take care of him. That is why I ask other fans .. what do you think about Tracy getting a new storyline, one where she'd meet [[Nana]] and [[Monica]] telling her something like "the recemblance is amazing".


==Tracy's Abilities==
You know. But giving her a storyline where she'd meet Niki in a "going to the past" episode where they revisit a event of Season 1/2 where Niki is still present. Would be cool to see another back in the past episode after the Charlie one. (Amazing how Hiro didn't know Sylar actually survived but told Sylar he was going to die anyway). Anyways that there would be a group of Season 4 characters having to travel back in time with Hiro, accomanying him and this way Tracy comes face2face with a alive Niki and maybe D.L.
Do we in fact know that the freezing came from Tracy and was not a defense mechanism of the reporter. While this should probably be under character theories, it may also serve to decide how best to word Tracy's abilities. [[User:Lordandrei|Andrei]] 02:22, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
* It's pretty clear that it was Tracy.  Freezing yourself to death wouldn't be a good defense mechanism. :)  It's interesting that the reporter referred to her as an "ice queen", too.  How appropriate.  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:24, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
** Have to agree with Admin here, Andrei. "Ice queen" and freezing seem to go hand in hand, wouldn't you say? [[User:Smokezilla|Smokezilla]]
*** I agree Tracy has freezing as an ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
** The wife and I discussed this with several options. One of which being that the man froze himself, shattered, and then melts and reconstitutes. Example: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_(film) | Senator Kelly in X-Men] The reason I hazard that was the long camera shot on the ice dripping down the drain. Now again, a theory and probably best on the theory page. [[User:Lordandrei|Andrei]] 02:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
***I'm pretty sure that since Tracy's hand glowed blue that means the freezing spread from her to the reporter. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 02:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
****Her hand was definitely the same color as Sylar's when he used his freezing power on-screen. The only way it could get more blatant is if she actually said, "I froze him," and then freezes something else. --[[User:PeterDawson|PeterDawson]] 13:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
*****I have to disagree.  Watch the scene again, as I just did.  He turns into ice, she doesn't freeze him.  He gets turned a translucent blue gray (which would not happen if he were frozen, but rather if he were turned into ice) and then the camera moves to show the pieces on the ground, melting and trailing running clear water into the drain.  There are no fragments of bone or cloth or metal (such as the video player) unfreezing, and in particular no blood, which is what you would see if you melted a chunks of a frozen person.  It would run red and other colours, not clear.    So what we saw, was more like Bob's power than freezing.  If you want to speculate it was like a freezing power, that runs contrary to what we saw.  Now I will admit I do have a speculation that her power is far more interesting, that she simply has whatever power her victim names, thus for the reporter only she had the power to turn him into ice, but there is as yet no evidence for that speculation.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
****** When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive.  In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's.  I don't see any speculation in calling it [[freezing]]... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's.  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
*******We only have what we see on screen, and they make a point of showing us the ice melting, which is presumably to tell us there will be no body for the police to find, but also to show that the water is clear.  Has to be that way, if she just froze him, what would be left would be a pile of freezer burned flesh, blood everywhere, various chunks of bone and fragments of cloth, watch, video player.  I realize that it is asking a lot from Heroes to have them realize that frozen bone would not shatter like that and would not melt, so it could be just badly done freezing, but for now replay the scene and document what we actually see, which is that his body is turned to ice, and the melt runs clear, not bloody.  The only strange part is that when he shatters (which is even before he falls) they show a black rather than red inside, but the chunks on the ground are white.  I called it speculation to label it the type of freezing we have seen before, because the results are very different.  I agree it's also speculation to say it's like Bob, for now one should just document what we see and not leap to either conclusion--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
******The blue color can come from discoloration on the skin. And if Tracy froze him solid enough, the blood may still be frozen and not able to flow. The liquid, which shows some condensation of fog around the area could be liquid atmosphere.[[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
*******You can't be serious.  Liquid atmosphere running down the drains?  He cracked and split like a big piece of ice, not like an extremely frozen chunk of meat wrapped in cloth.  Take a leg of lamb and put it in liquid nitrogen, even below glass transition.  You'll get a weapon you can beat people with, not something that shatters under its own weight.  I'm not saying the writers on Heroes will get the science right, they often don't, but I think a wiki should document what we actually see until informed otherwise.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
******I've use liquid nitrogen before, and frozen ground meat. When I dropped it on the floor, it shattered like ice. Same happened to a peach, and a hot dog. Extreme cold completely changes chemical behavior, and can also cause rubber to shatter like glass. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
********You may want to submit this as a question to CBR for one of their upcoming Behind the Eclipse sessions with Joe and Aron.  That might be the best way to get clarification.  Personally I think it's a simple case of freezing and the way they manufactured the effect was simply how they chose to represent it.  See what Joe and Aron say, though. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:47, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
*********Oh, I expect we'll see more info eventually, as well as the answer to what her relationship to J/N is and more. My personal guess is we'll never see the ice queen power again, because her power derives from what somebody says to her or thinks about her.  After all, turning people to ice, or freezing them, is a pretty boring power, not an appropriate power for one of the regular characters.  But I expect the answer sooner or later, I just feel the wiki should not presume it's freezing because what we see -- writing mistake or other reason -- is transformation into ice.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 23:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)


== Different type of ability ==
What do you think, should the two meet? I know it would have to take some serious writing and a believe-able storyline. But still I feel like (after seeing Micah + Tracy) something is still missing. [[User:DarthYotho|DarthYotho]] 10:20, 9 December 2009 (EST)
* While even I somewhat doubt this, what if Tracy's ability isn't that of freezing but instead something in her reacted to the reporter's comments of calling her the "Ice Queen", as if by him saying that, her ability was to make his remark literal.  If you think about it, she only froze him after he called her that name, and her reaction clearly showed that she only discovered that ability at that moment.  Imagine if later on, someone says she's acting "all fired up" and then suddenly she has pyrokinesis?  Just a thought from a different point of view... - [[User:FlyingMan|FlyingMan]] 03:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
*Yeah i agree, it would be great for Tracy and Niki to meet, but it would be even better if [[Barbara]] joined them.--{{User:Yoshi n1/sig1}} 10:39, 9 December 2009 (EST)
** Yes, that's what I say in the section above this.  When I added it to the fan theories page, one of the monitors reverted it out without comment, in spite of the rule that you don't delete fan theories for not liking them.   So I smell a conspiracy to hide her power.  :-)--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 03:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
**Now would be an excellent time to introduce Barbara. Heck even in a graphic novel they could have it where Samuel asked Tracy to track her down and she doesn't realize it's Barbara until they meet. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 10:42, 9 December 2009 (EST)
*** I didn't realize you had mentioned that already!  Maybe we are onto something! - [[User:FlyingMan|FlyingMan]] 03:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
* By the way, now that I think about it, it's obvious that Tracy doesn't have an ability, it was the reporter.  However, the reporter lost the manual for his powers and doesn't really know how to control them, so he accidentally turned himself to ice. :-) --[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 16:47, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
** If only [[Bob]] had made the same mistake, someone would be very very right right now!  ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 16:50, 26 September 2008 (EDT))


== Family? ==
*In one of the Wireless GNs there is a microbiologist by the name of Henry Strauss. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:18, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
** Perhaps, but my theory is that it's a [[cloning|different kind]] of relation.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
** Maybe MiamiVolts is right about what he said. During the episode [[One of Us, One of Them]], [[Dr. Zimmerman]] said that he created her. When he answered the door, also, it sounded like he said Barb, and began talking about "the one who lived in beverly hills". So maybe they are family just clones of the same person.--[[User:Heroics|Heroics]]


== Explosion? ==
==Donde?==


Okay I get that Tracy may have frozen the reporter but why did he then explode aswell.
Where has she been in the past few episodes? Running errands for Samuel? I wonder if she will return for the end of the season, because I really love her character this season. [[User:Dean Harper|Dean]] 01:30, 12 January 2010 (EST)
When we've seen Sylar freeze someone they are simply frozen, they don't then shatter.
* Wait two weeks....or so. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:48, 12 January 2010 (EST)
* I don't know if this helps, but in a deleted scene from ''[[One Giant Leap]]'', a cop was frozen and [[:Image:FrozenCop.jpg|his arm shattered]] similar to how the reporter froze and shattered. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
**Next couple of weeks eh? Graphic novels by any chance? Ollie just tweeted. :) --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:19, 20 January 2010 (EST)
*Depending on how much she froze her, the reporter could have went through thermal shock. Being that this is most likely the first time she used her power, and that she was in stress, she could have frozen him so much, that the heat from the air cause the expansion on the outside faster than the inside, thus he shattered. Same thing happens if you use an ice cube. Put it in ice water, and it will sit there, but put it in hot water and it will explode. When Sylar froze Mr. Walker, he bay have only froze him a little bit being that he had mastered control of the power by then. Hope this helps. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:18, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
***Read the graphic novels. She was busy with the Eli clones and Becky which explains her character's absence in the main show. Not sure whether she was taking a break in RL. --[[User:Shlakime|shlakime]] 10:43, 22 February 2010 (EST)
*Or, even simpler: Tracy was so shocked at what she was doing that she may have been trembling or jerked a little. Those vibrations shattered the corpse. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}}
****Err, yeah I'm pretty sure we've all read them. And I believe Ali Larter was taking time out to film the new Resident Evil film. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 14:21, 22 February 2010 (EST)
*This is silly.  Neither of these would cause a frozen human to shatter spontaneously, or would they shatter like this even on hitting the ground.  When Sylar froze the guard, they had just his arm shatter from hitting the ground, and even that is silly.  Ever whacked a frozen leg of meat, even one frozen to dry ice or liquid nitrogen? It does not shatter.  Shattering is for pure ice, or for other things with no internal structure to keep them together, like flowers and lightweight fruits.    Have a liquid nitrogen party sometime.  It's fun to shatter the plants but meat with bone doesn't shatter, and cloth like the clothing these people were wearing doesn't shatter, not when you whack it on the ground, certainly not from standing there.  The following explanations make some sense:
**The writers have no idea how this works, and/or just wanted a cool effect.  Tracy used a freezing power.
**Tracy used a power that turns things into ice, and the writers had it shatter spontaneously (which still takes a lot of work -- large ice sculptures don't shatter just by standing there) so they could have a cool effect.
**Exposing ice of any coldness to air won't make it explode.  Hot water has orders of magnitude more heating ability than outdoor air.
**"Heat from the air" doesn't cause expansion.  As ice melts, it contracts.  It is freezing that makes it expand.  This expansion takes place at the moment of freezing, not after.
**Tracy's power, whatever it is, caused both the conversion to ice/freezing, and the shattering, and the power somehow has the ability to make bone, metal and cloth shatter after freezing.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:57, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
 
== Pearl necklace ==
 
Oh, the endless jokes I can make. Her and that handy-dandy pearl necklace. --{{User:Baldbobbo/sig}} 22:26, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
*lol...and i thought i was the only one!--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 22:36, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
** Gutter boys...gutter boys. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:46, 14 October 2008 (EDT)
*** One of our lovely administrators, everyone. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 00:40, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
 
== Consultant ==
 
Is Tracy's one year as a consultant for Pinehearst enough to put her in [[:Category:Pinehearst Company]]? I think the info should go on her infobox, but I'm in doubt whether she should be in the category, considering she's no longer part of Pinehearst. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] 14:31, 30 October 2008 (EDT)
 
== Im sorry but Im still so confused... ==
 
OK, let me know if I have this right because I'm really not sure...
Is this how it all went down?
Nikki was born to unknown parents along with her two sisters Tracy and Barbra.
The three of them were tested on as children and given abilities, super strength (Nikki), freezing (Tracy), and an unknown ability (Barbra).
The three of them were adopted out, Nikki to Hal, Tracy to some family in Beverly Hills, and Barbra to an unknown family (she most likely is involved with Dr. Zimmerman and the German because we were shown a picture of them together.)
When Nikki was living with her adoptive father Hal, he either adopted another daughter or had one with is wife who they named Jessica. Hal later killed Jessica when he was drunk or something because he was abusive. Later in life Nikki took on the alter ego Jessica as a way to cope with her already stressful life. Her powers first manifested through the Jessica personality. Gina isn't based off a person Nikki knew in her life, just another personallity her mind made up.
OK, I think I may have it, or I may be way off. Can someone please let me know.--[[User:Cairoi|Cairoi]] 13:05, 6 December 2008 (EST)
*Sounds good to me. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 13:14, 6 December 2008 (EST)
** Yeah, you're on the right track, as far as the least speculative view of it is concerned. My own thought is that the Company must have been involved in taking a memory engram of Jessica and implanting it into Niki somehow as a distinct personality cause Jessica appeared to know things about Linderman and the Company and cause whenever Jessica was actively controlling Niki's body, the Symbol tattoo would appear. The tattoo did not appear when Niki's other personality, Gina, was in control.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:19, 6 December 2008 (EST)
*** I'm not sure about the tatto, but Bob explained how Jessica came to be: sometimes when powers manifest it causes a fracture of the mind.  That happened with Niki.  Note that Jessica first seemed to manifest in Six Months Ago during the confrontation when Hal.  It can be assumed Niki got her super-strength then and that's when Jessica first manifested.
***Yeah I never understood the tattoo, I always just figured they were trying to be artistic, trying to put the symbol in the show more, even thought it didn't make any seance. I like your idea better. Also, that furthers the reason why I think the personality Jessica and the actual little sister Jessica should have separate pages on heroes wiki.--[[User:Cairoi|Cairoi]] 13:26, 6 December 2008 (EST)
 
== Significant Other is speculative ==
 
What evidence is there that Nathan and Tracy were "Significant others". There isn't any.
:Other than the fact that they made out and had sex? I guess there isn't really any. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 08:16, 19 December 2008 (EST)
* In today's world, that in no way shape or form means they're significant others. I'm almost positive this discussion has been had in the past.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 08:17, 19 December 2008 (EST)
**And seeing as how Nathan is still listed under "Significant others," I suppose it does mean that they were in a relationship. Though I think he should be "formerly" now, but I'm not sure. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 08:20, 19 December 2008 (EST)
*** [[Talk:Linda_Tavara|Found it]]. Though it wasn't discussed much, the significant other thing was taken out of her profile.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 08:25, 19 December 2008 (EST)
**** I acknowledge that their relations could have only equated to a one-night stand, but I'm pretty sure they shared an emotional relationship as well. The night they first kissed; it wasn't all physical. And it's not like Nathan just flew away in the morning; they stayed together. <small>'''Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ [[User:Thrashmeister|U]] | [[User_talk:Thrashmeister|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Thrashmeister|C]] ]'''</small> 08:28, 19 December 2008 (EST)
***** I dunno. Linderman stuck around and offered to hike. ;]. Besides, I think Tracy is more self-centered. Sure she's trying to get Nathan into office, but I'm pretty sure it's at her own benefit. She did say "We're not together" pretty apathetically.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 08:32, 19 December 2008 (EST)
 
Exactly, it seems she even stated they had no relationship.
****** Even Malden is speculative. Sure, they had sex, but it seemed they had no emotional attachment at all. "You don't pay me for the sex" makes it sound like she's doing it to get what she wants, and she did go to Nathan without much of a problem.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 09:10, 19 December 2008 (EST)
 
==Images==
 
Is it really necessary to have that many images in her article? Same thing with Niki's article. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:03, 20 December 2008 (EST)
 
== Niki/Jessica/Gina ==
 
When listing Niki as Tracy's sister, there's no need to list all of her personalities. We don't need to list aliases, we don't need to list multiple personalities, we don't need all that extra stuff on there. It's understandable why one would want to do that, but it's unnecessary. :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 13:07, 29 December 2008 (EST)
 
== haha Nbc doesn't even know their own show! ==
 
Look at the product description. http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=71390
They can't be serious!--[[User:Cairoi|Cairoi]] 15:41, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
* If that was written before Season Three started, then I completely understand NBC's desire to not spoil anything. Calling the new character another multiple personality is the surest bet to not spoil too much. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:43, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
** If you contact them about it or write a review, they'll likely fix it. There's no reason to keep it that way anymore.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:54, 14 March 2009 (EDT)
***I srsly doubt they would care, lol, i mean its a really minor error --[[User:Lolwut|Lolwut]]
 
== Dead or not ==
 
What happened to Tracy.  She shattered and was still able to blink? Usually when people shatter, they die. like [[Knox]].  Someone please explain.--<span style="font-size: 8pt; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Catalyst|Catalyst]]</span> 11:57, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*I think she's dead.  That may have just been dramatic effect.  If she hadn't been shattered she may have been able to survive, but I doubt she can completly reform herself.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 12:15, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
** Her Ice head winked, that's proof enough for me to think that she can come back to life somehow. Until she's confirmed dead (we see a flesh corpse) she aint dead. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 12:31, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*** I agree, I think she will melt and be able to reform like [[Water mimicry]] after all they are more or less the same except Tract makes things freeze and her [[Freezing|power]] has developed a lot since she first used it. She is not dead until its confirmed :) --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 15:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*This is confusing because if you look carefully in the scene where she blinks, a teardrop can be seen flowing from her eye.--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 15:20, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Tracy is alive. Its been confirmed that Ali is not going anywhere plus its been spoiled her death is faked. Did anyone else see her [[User:Clana4life55|Clana4life55]]
*They confirmed a fake death, they didn't way which, Ali staying on the show could be to play Barbara. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:37, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
* Tracy is the fake death. Three will die but one is faked. Daphene is dead, and the confirmed a real death for the finale which means Tracy is the fake death. plus she blinked which means shes alive. people need to stop listing her as deceased on other peoples profile. [[User:Clana4life55|Clana4life55]]
** BTE has confirmed that Tracy is dead  [[User:Horrorman|Horrorman]] 18:33, 30 March 2009 (EST)
*** BTE said "Traci is dead. Unless you can come back from the dead after slushing into the sewers." To me, that's not a clear indication of her death but I don't mind us documenting it either way for now.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:03, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
***Its been confirmed in the commentary by Bryan Fuller that tracy is ALIVE --[[User:Clana4life55|Clana4life55]] 21:54, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
**** And that is spoiler information, we don't go around posting spoilers in pages. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 18:46, 31 March 2009 (EDT)
***It's not spoiler if its been confirmed. [[User:BoomerDay|BoomerDay]] 01:08, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
****Commentary said it was spoiler. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 13:50, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== Who's Ryan??? ==
 
One of the people when they edited the article wrote this: It was enough to make Ryan list her as dead, she was shown shattered.  Who's Ryan???--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 21:08, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*Meet [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|Ryan]], someone partly responsible for this site, one of the 4 head-honchos--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 21:27, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
** I'm Ryan. I'm an administrator here, but I'm certainly not infallible. I didn't catch Tracy's weird eye blink/tear thing that she did after she was frozen, shot, and shattered. I guess she's presumed dead, not actually confirmed dead. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:28, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
*** And by presumed dead, she'd be listed as deceased, if not we wouldn't list [[Stephen Canfield]] as dead. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:27, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
**** Wasn't there confirmation that she is in fact alive and coming back? --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 16:30, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
***** Even if there is, as far as people who only watch the show, she was killed, it'd be like posting spoilers of next season right now. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:50, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
****** How do we know that she was killed at all?  I don't think it's a fair assuption that a bullet/shattering would do the job, especially with the wink at the end.  --[[User:Stevehim|Stevehim]] 22:17, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
******* I agree that there's enough in-world evidence that Tracy is still alive, what with her very living wink and the fact that she is normally [[ability immunity|immune]] to her own power. The external sources (the [[commentary]] and interviews) are only confirmation of what is already a big question mark on her death. Ultimately, Tracy is not confirmed dead. She's really only presumed dead by other characters in ''Heroes'', not necessarily by the audience--and that's where she differs from Canfield. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:49, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
******** It wasn't supposed to be a wink. One of the producers said that if they had shown her whole face, it would have been a blink. Come on, do you really think that Heroes would blatantly break the fourth wall like that? And why isn't her name in italics in the Season Three Characters box at the bottom of the page? Until we get conformation in the form of an episode, we have to assume that she is dead. [[User:JHero|JHero]] 11:49, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
********* Bryan Fuller also said that Tracy will definitely be back on the show. And, JHero, i think that you are meant to assume that the character is alive until an episode disproves this. [[User:TracyStraussFan|TracyStraussFan]] 14:18, 12 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== Water Mimicry ==
 
Is it water mimicry? It certainly looks like it. --[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 22:33, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
*It seems as if her predicament has expanded her freezing into the aspects of water mimicry....or total H2O control--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 22:38, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
**I'm not sure what to make of this. The original manifestation of her ability was definitely freezing. However now, I'm not so sure. Is her ability still freezing? Did she manage to evolve it into complete water control? Or was it always water control, but freezing was the first and only aspect of it she demonstrated initially? {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 22:40, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
*** It seems like it mutated when she froze herself and then melted. --[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 22:44, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
**** Did she say her name was Tracy in ''An Invisible Thread''? I was thinking that it might be Barbara, her sister...--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:51, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
***** They did say Tracy would be returning in a big way. And yeah, it could be Barbara. But I think it's really much more likely that it's Tracy. #1) Similarity in abilities, #2) Tracy has motive for going after Building 26 agents, #3) I do believe they said that the main villain for volume five would be a returning female character. Again, it could be Barbara. But at this moment, the evidence points to Tracy. {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 23:59, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
******Yeah I thought "Number 4" added that personal vendetta touch to it....but who knows?--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 00:01, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
****** Well, Tracy was never able to turn herself into water, and Barbara did have a motive for going after Building 26 agents. She was also a target.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:04, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
******* Where did it say that she was a target? {{User:Thrashmeister/Autosig}} 00:06, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
******** Check out the photos on the wall of targets after the airplane crash? If she's an identical triplet, the photo would be the same. Also, Building 26 had all of the Company's files. That means they knew about Barbara.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:23, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
*I believe it is [[Tracy]] and her ability has evolved into '''water manipulation'''. She can turn herself into water, control water and manipulate the state of water. --<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight:bold;"></span>'''[[User:Elemental Manipulator|Elemental Manipulator]]'''</span> [ [[User:Elemental Manipulator|U]] | [[User_talk:Elemental Manipulator|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elemental Manipulator|C]] ]'''</small> - <span style="color:green;">When in doubt, ask BTE </span> 00:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
** Yeah, it's just a good theory for now, unless we get BTE to confirm it for us. As far as we have seen, this sister can only control the watery liquid she becomes. I still like my theory that it's Barbara better, though.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:02, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
*Let's just add water mimicry to avoid speculation, because we did the same for Matt when he showed Precognition, even though it could simply be an aspect of his original ability. - [[User:BlackWidower|BlackWidower]] 01:03, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
** But we don't know yet if it's Tracy's or Barbara's ability that we witnessed tonight. Also, if it's Tracy, her ability would need to be water manipulation to encompass altering the state of matter it's in.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:06, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
***Okay, maybe it is Barbara, but I like to think of Occam's Razor, let's not say a new character is introduced until we are sure.  Plus we already know what Tracy's motive is, not so for Barbara. Finally, I don't see why a new ability is necessary, we can just tack on a pre-existing ability, nothing wrong with that, it has been done before with Matt Parkman. - [[User:BlackWidower|BlackWidower]] 01:24, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
****Barbara has already been mentioned and shown in a photo with Dr. Zimmermann and the German. So she isn't a new character, we just don't know what her power is yet.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:31, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
***For what it's worth, I don't think BTE can be 100% trusted...they told us that Tracy wouldn't be coming back, Ali Larter informed us of something different.--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 01:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
****When did they say Tracy wouldn't be coming back? If they did say that recently, it might be okay to assume that it's Barbara for now (even though I would prefer a confirmation in next week's BTE).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:16, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
*****Ahh, I can see that our summer is going to be full of Tracy/Barbara and Sylar/Nathan talks lol. I do believe they said it in the interview after Cold Snap aired...it may have been just dry humor, but I believe they said something like "Tracy is dead unless slush can come back out of sewer water."  vs. [http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/ali-larter-reveals-spoilers-on-jimmy.html| what Ali Larter said (caution: spoilers!)]...plus I think it would be better if Barbara's ability was in no way related to either sister than just one. Water manipulation and Freezing are closely tied leaving enhanced strength out. You see what I'm saying? Sorry if this sounds like I'm trying to pick a fight b/c I'm not.--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 01:45, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
******Ok, no ill intentions perceived. That said, nothing is conclusive. I think we might need to create "Unknown triplet" and "Unknown triplet's ability" pages for now. At least until we get some kind of clarification from the credits, BTE, or the piece where cast/crew talk while watching the episode.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:55, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
******* http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/04/fuller-confirms-what-changed-and-whats.html Bryan Fuller confirmed Tracy returns. It's Tracyn not Barbara.  --[[User:Powermimic|Powermimic]] 02:00, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
********Bryan didn't say Tracy would be returning in the finale, just that she would be returning. So both Bryan and the BTE crew could be correct, and this could be Barbara with Tracy also to return next year. However, I think it's better to be safe here and not make an assumption on who it is.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:19, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
********MV, you mean create these pages?([[Barbara]], [[water mimicry]])--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 02:10, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
*********No. Since we don't know if it was Tracy or Barbara in ''An Invisible Thread'', we would need a new page for the character history and a new page for the ability exhibited. If it's Tracy, the ability exhibited would be water manipulation to account for the change of associated matter (ice to water). If it's Barbara, it would be water mimicry like Elisa from the ''Heroes: Destiny'' webisodes.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:19, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
**********Mmm...I say we don't give her a page, she managed just fine last summer when we were introduced to [[:Image:The woman from Angela's dream.jpg|the woman from Angela's dream]]. I think the only time we talked about her was in discussion boards and theories...never given a dedicated page.--[[User:Anthony Gooch|Anthony Gooch]] 02:27, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
***********That was a dream. This person actually appeared in the episode, and will need to go into the episode appearances.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:40, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
I think the ability is Water Mimicry since the guy from the graphic novel threw water at an agent and turned to water. Their is a Barbara in the iStory with water based ability which could be the sister Barbara but that is a theroy than anything else. I think we should make a page since it was in an episode though i think it is Tracy than Barbara.

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Water and Ice Manipulation

  • Names given in near-canon sources: If the ability is unnamed in canon sources but is named in a graphic novel or in Heroes Evolutions, that name should be used. Found it in the Naming Convention page, Water and Ice Manipulation were said in the graphic novel. What do you think, at least this time the name comes from them and it fits her ability now more than Freezing --Darkfiremaster13 03:23, 29 November 2009 (EST)
    • The graphic novel (near-canon) said "water and ice manipulation". The episode (canon) said "freezing". --Ricard Desi (t,c) 11:09, 29 November 2009 (EST)
      • Correct at time of naming, not any more. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:55, 29 November 2009 (EST)
        • Some said above that the Freezing name were used because it came up here, and the situation now for Tracy was like on Jeremy their ability both evolved into something else. And the naming convention page says that "When a possible name for an ability appears in a canon, near-canon, or secondary source, it is important to consider whether the name describes the ability itself or merely one or more of its effects or applications: As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability." The name Freezing even though it came from a canon source doesn't include all aspect of the ability that she have right now. --Darkfiremaster13 00:00, 30 November 2009 (EST)
          • The discussion on the Freezing page about whether to include Tracy seems to have stalled. Anybody have anything else to say on this? Swm 11:21, 3 December 2009 (EST)
            • How do you manipulate ice? Reconstruct? Selective freezing? I think you guys shouldn't argue with your own eyes. Tracy can freeze and can turn into water by free will. Done and done. Is it so hard to define this? Getting overreacted over names? Really? --shlakime 10:39, 22 February 2010 (EST)

Anyone else feels like Tracy should meet Niki?

Sorry if people think this is useless topic haha, but I feel like I had to ask and share this question with fans. So I know some people hated the character of Niki Sanders, just because she was all emo and stuff. Personally I digged the whole Niki/Jessica storyline and enjoyed it. Unfortunately in Season 2 the character of Niki sort of lost her spot after (stupid writers error 1) her family broke in two with D.L. dying. Who else thought that was uncalled for too? (stupid writers error 2) --> the whole zimmerman storyline .. i liked the fact some where injected, but the triplets it wasn't detailed as to how the girls got seperated and who were their parents etc. If they didn't rush that I think the link between Niki and Tracy (Barbara) would've been better..

Anyways my big question is .. after re-watching the Cold-Snap episode where Tracy and Micah re-meet but this time as Rebel and Tracy *having killed people* I saw this amazing bond between the two, cuz they've been through so much since their first encounter. It looks like, cuz of her blood-link to Nikki, she only really really cares for Micah. And she feels obligated to take care of him. That is why I ask other fans .. what do you think about Tracy getting a new storyline, one where she'd meet Nana and Monica telling her something like "the recemblance is amazing".

You know. But giving her a storyline where she'd meet Niki in a "going to the past" episode where they revisit a event of Season 1/2 where Niki is still present. Would be cool to see another back in the past episode after the Charlie one. (Amazing how Hiro didn't know Sylar actually survived but told Sylar he was going to die anyway). Anyways that there would be a group of Season 4 characters having to travel back in time with Hiro, accomanying him and this way Tracy comes face2face with a alive Niki and maybe D.L.

What do you think, should the two meet? I know it would have to take some serious writing and a believe-able storyline. But still I feel like (after seeing Micah + Tracy) something is still missing. DarthYotho 10:20, 9 December 2009 (EST)

  • Yeah i agree, it would be great for Tracy and Niki to meet, but it would be even better if Barbara joined them.-- Yoshi | Talk | Contributions 10:39, 9 December 2009 (EST)
    • Now would be an excellent time to introduce Barbara. Heck even in a graphic novel they could have it where Samuel asked Tracy to track her down and she doesn't realize it's Barbara until they meet. --OutbackZack 10:42, 9 December 2009 (EST)


Donde?

Where has she been in the past few episodes? Running errands for Samuel? I wonder if she will return for the end of the season, because I really love her character this season. Dean 01:30, 12 January 2010 (EST)

  • Wait two weeks....or so. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:48, 12 January 2010 (EST)
    • Next couple of weeks eh? Graphic novels by any chance? Ollie just tweeted. :) --mc_hammark 15:19, 20 January 2010 (EST)
      • Read the graphic novels. She was busy with the Eli clones and Becky which explains her character's absence in the main show. Not sure whether she was taking a break in RL. --shlakime 10:43, 22 February 2010 (EST)
        • Err, yeah I'm pretty sure we've all read them. And I believe Ali Larter was taking time out to film the new Resident Evil film. --mc_hammark 14:21, 22 February 2010 (EST)