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*Depending on how much she froze her, the reporter could have went through thermal shock. Being that this is most likely the first time she used her power, and that she was in stress, she could have frozen him so much, that the heat from the air cause the expansion on the outside faster than the inside, thus he shattered. Same thing happens if you use an ice cube. Put it in ice water, and it will sit there, but put it in hot water and it will explode. When Sylar froze Mr. Walker, he bay have only froze him a little bit being that he had mastered control of the power by then. Hope this helps. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:18, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
*Depending on how much she froze her, the reporter could have went through thermal shock. Being that this is most likely the first time she used her power, and that she was in stress, she could have frozen him so much, that the heat from the air cause the expansion on the outside faster than the inside, thus he shattered. Same thing happens if you use an ice cube. Put it in ice water, and it will sit there, but put it in hot water and it will explode. When Sylar froze Mr. Walker, he bay have only froze him a little bit being that he had mastered control of the power by then. Hope this helps. [[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:18, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
*Or, even simpler: Tracy was so shocked at what she was doing that she may have been trembling or jerked a little. Those vibrations shattered the corpse. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}}
*Or, even simpler: Tracy was so shocked at what she was doing that she may have been trembling or jerked a little. Those vibrations shattered the corpse. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}}
*This is silly.  Neither of these would cause a frozen human to shatter spontaneously, or would they shatter like this even on hitting the ground.  When Sylar froze the guard, they had just his arm shatter from hitting the ground, and even that is silly.  Ever whacked a frozen leg of meat, even one frozen to dry ice or liquid nitrogen?  It does not shatter.  Shattering is for pure ice, or for other things with no internal structure to keep them together, like flowers and lightweight fruits.    Have a liquid nitrogen party sometime.  It's fun to shatter the plants but meat with bone doesn't shatter, and cloth like the clothing these people were wearing doesn't shatter, not when you whack it on the ground, certainly not from standing there.  The following explanations make some sense:
**The writers have no idea how this works, and/or just wanted a cool effect.  Tracy used a freezing power.
**Tracy used a power that turns things into ice, and the writers had it shatter spontaneously (which still takes a lot of work -- large ice sculptures don't shatter just by standing there) so they could have a cool effect.
**Exposing ice of any coldness to air won't make it explode.  Hot water has orders of magnitude more heating ability than outdoor air.
**"Heat from the air" doesn't cause expansion.  As ice melts, it contracts.  It is freezing that makes it expand.  This expansion takes place at the moment of freezing, not after.
**Tracy's power, whatever it is, caused both the conversion to ice/freezing, and the shattering, and the power somehow has the ability to make bone, metal and cloth shatter after freezing.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 19:57, 28 September 2008 (EDT)

Revision as of 18:57, 28 September 2008

Edits

As of this date and time, the article I am attempting to edit is completely inaccurate. In fact, the page has been reverted to exactly the same one as I've been trying to change; save a section or two (Evolved Human Abilities). In my opinion, the photo I've recently uploaded is far more similar in tone to the other characters' pages and not nearly as blurry as the previous one. Of course, since no official (colored) promo pic was released for Tracy Strauss, it is entirely up to you. I also suggest going with my more developed character summary and not the one which erroneously refers to the governor of New York as the senator. Once again, these are just small quibbles that I think need fixing and the decision is entirely up to you... Smokezilla

If anyone has any further plans to edit this page, please notify me whenever you do. I'd hate to re-edit the administrator's intended layout. Smokezilla

What do you mean? Are you getting edit conflicts or something? That just means someone else completed an edit before you did and it doesn't know what to do with the changes you tried to make now since the article is different. (Admin 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
Yeah, that's it. Can't figure out who keeps editing it, though. Sorry - I'm just so damn determined to make sure this page is as lengthy and accurate as possible. However, if anyone wants to give the episode summaries a shot I'm all for it. Smokezilla

Tracy's Abilities

Do we in fact know that the freezing came from Tracy and was not a defense mechanism of the reporter. While this should probably be under character theories, it may also serve to decide how best to word Tracy's abilities. Andrei 02:22, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

  • It's pretty clear that it was Tracy. Freezing yourself to death wouldn't be a good defense mechanism. :) It's interesting that the reporter referred to her as an "ice queen", too. How appropriate. (Admin 02:24, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
    • Have to agree with Admin here, Andrei. "Ice queen" and freezing seem to go hand in hand, wouldn't you say? Smokezilla
      • I agree Tracy has freezing as an ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
    • The wife and I discussed this with several options. One of which being that the man froze himself, shattered, and then melts and reconstitutes. Example: | Senator Kelly in X-Men The reason I hazard that was the long camera shot on the ice dripping down the drain. Now again, a theory and probably best on the theory page. Andrei 02:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I'm pretty sure that since Tracy's hand glowed blue that means the freezing spread from her to the reporter. --Piemanmoo 02:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
        • Her hand was definitely the same color as Sylar's when he used his freezing power on-screen. The only way it could get more blatant is if she actually said, "I froze him," and then freezes something else. --PeterDawson 13:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
          • I have to disagree. Watch the scene again, as I just did. He turns into ice, she doesn't freeze him. He gets turned a translucent blue gray (which would not happen if he were frozen, but rather if he were turned into ice) and then the camera moves to show the pieces on the ground, melting and trailing running clear water into the drain. There are no fragments of bone or cloth or metal (such as the video player) unfreezing, and in particular no blood, which is what you would see if you melted a chunks of a frozen person. It would run red and other colours, not clear. So what we saw, was more like Bob's power than freezing. If you want to speculate it was like a freezing power, that runs contrary to what we saw. Now I will admit I do have a speculation that her power is far more interesting, that she simply has whatever power her victim names, thus for the reporter only she had the power to turn him into ice, but there is as yet no evidence for that speculation.--Bradtem 02:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
            • When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive. In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's. I don't see any speculation in calling it freezing... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's. (Admin 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
              • We only have what we see on screen, and they make a point of showing us the ice melting, which is presumably to tell us there will be no body for the police to find, but also to show that the water is clear. Has to be that way, if she just froze him, what would be left would be a pile of freezer burned flesh, blood everywhere, various chunks of bone and fragments of cloth, watch, video player. I realize that it is asking a lot from Heroes to have them realize that frozen bone would not shatter like that and would not melt, so it could be just badly done freezing, but for now replay the scene and document what we actually see, which is that his body is turned to ice, and the melt runs clear, not bloody. The only strange part is that when he shatters (which is even before he falls) they show a black rather than red inside, but the chunks on the ground are white. I called it speculation to label it the type of freezing we have seen before, because the results are very different. I agree it's also speculation to say it's like Bob, for now one should just document what we see and not leap to either conclusion--Bradtem 02:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
            • The blue color can come from discoloration on the skin. And if Tracy froze him solid enough, the blood may still be frozen and not able to flow. The liquid, which shows some condensation of fog around the area could be liquid atmosphere.Dracomaster4 15:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
              • You can't be serious. Liquid atmosphere running down the drains? He cracked and split like a big piece of ice, not like an extremely frozen chunk of meat wrapped in cloth. Take a leg of lamb and put it in liquid nitrogen, even below glass transition. You'll get a weapon you can beat people with, not something that shatters under its own weight. I'm not saying the writers on Heroes will get the science right, they often don't, but I think a wiki should document what we actually see until informed otherwise.--Bradtem 16:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
            • I've use liquid nitrogen before, and frozen ground meat. When I dropped it on the floor, it shattered like ice. Same happened to a peach, and a hot dog. Extreme cold completely changes chemical behavior, and can also cause rubber to shatter like glass. Dracomaster4 15:22, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
                • You may want to submit this as a question to CBR for one of their upcoming Behind the Eclipse sessions with Joe and Aron. That might be the best way to get clarification. Personally I think it's a simple case of freezing and the way they manufactured the effect was simply how they chose to represent it. See what Joe and Aron say, though. (Admin 16:47, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
                  • Oh, I expect we'll see more info eventually, as well as the answer to what her relationship to J/N is and more. My personal guess is we'll never see the ice queen power again, because her power derives from what somebody says to her or thinks about her. After all, turning people to ice, or freezing them, is a pretty boring power, not an appropriate power for one of the regular characters. But I expect the answer sooner or later, I just feel the wiki should not presume it's freezing because what we see -- writing mistake or other reason -- is transformation into ice.--Bradtem 23:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Different type of ability

  • While even I somewhat doubt this, what if Tracy's ability isn't that of freezing but instead something in her reacted to the reporter's comments of calling her the "Ice Queen", as if by him saying that, her ability was to make his remark literal. If you think about it, she only froze him after he called her that name, and her reaction clearly showed that she only discovered that ability at that moment. Imagine if later on, someone says she's acting "all fired up" and then suddenly she has pyrokinesis? Just a thought from a different point of view... - FlyingMan 03:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Yes, that's what I say in the section above this. When I added it to the fan theories page, one of the monitors reverted it out without comment, in spite of the rule that you don't delete fan theories for not liking them. So I smell a conspiracy to hide her power.  :-)--Bradtem 03:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
      • I didn't realize you had mentioned that already! Maybe we are onto something! - FlyingMan 03:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
  • By the way, now that I think about it, it's obvious that Tracy doesn't have an ability, it was the reporter. However, the reporter lost the manual for his powers and doesn't really know how to control them, so he accidentally turned himself to ice.  :-) --Bradtem 16:47, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
    • If only Bob had made the same mistake, someone would be very very right right now! (Admin 16:50, 26 September 2008 (EDT))

Family?

  • In one of the Wireless GNs there is a microbiologist by the name of Henry Strauss. Dracomaster4 15:18, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Explosion?

Okay I get that Tracy may have frozen the reporter but why did he then explode aswell. When we've seen Sylar freeze someone they are simply frozen, they don't then shatter.

  • I don't know if this helps, but in a deleted scene from One Giant Leap, a cop was frozen and his arm shattered similar to how the reporter froze and shattered. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Depending on how much she froze her, the reporter could have went through thermal shock. Being that this is most likely the first time she used her power, and that she was in stress, she could have frozen him so much, that the heat from the air cause the expansion on the outside faster than the inside, thus he shattered. Same thing happens if you use an ice cube. Put it in ice water, and it will sit there, but put it in hot water and it will explode. When Sylar froze Mr. Walker, he bay have only froze him a little bit being that he had mastered control of the power by then. Hope this helps. Dracomaster4 15:18, 27 September 2008 (EDT)
  • Or, even simpler: Tracy was so shocked at what she was doing that she may have been trembling or jerked a little. Those vibrations shattered the corpse. --SacValleyDweller (talk)
  • This is silly. Neither of these would cause a frozen human to shatter spontaneously, or would they shatter like this even on hitting the ground. When Sylar froze the guard, they had just his arm shatter from hitting the ground, and even that is silly. Ever whacked a frozen leg of meat, even one frozen to dry ice or liquid nitrogen? It does not shatter. Shattering is for pure ice, or for other things with no internal structure to keep them together, like flowers and lightweight fruits. Have a liquid nitrogen party sometime. It's fun to shatter the plants but meat with bone doesn't shatter, and cloth like the clothing these people were wearing doesn't shatter, not when you whack it on the ground, certainly not from standing there. The following explanations make some sense:
    • The writers have no idea how this works, and/or just wanted a cool effect. Tracy used a freezing power.
    • Tracy used a power that turns things into ice, and the writers had it shatter spontaneously (which still takes a lot of work -- large ice sculptures don't shatter just by standing there) so they could have a cool effect.
    • Exposing ice of any coldness to air won't make it explode. Hot water has orders of magnitude more heating ability than outdoor air.
    • "Heat from the air" doesn't cause expansion. As ice melts, it contracts. It is freezing that makes it expand. This expansion takes place at the moment of freezing, not after.
    • Tracy's power, whatever it is, caused both the conversion to ice/freezing, and the shattering, and the power somehow has the ability to make bone, metal and cloth shatter after freezing.--Bradtem 19:57, 28 September 2008 (EDT)