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  • Thanks for all of your contributions, Hardvice, you're a terrific help to this site! (Admin 01:50, 21 October 2006 (EDT))
    • Glad to be here! --Hardvice 01:54, 21 October 2006 (EDT)


  • Got the jpeg libraries in GD working properly in case you didn't see. The resized image you left on my talk page displays properly now. (Admin 15:51, 24 October 2006 (EDT))
    • Awesome! I'll start screencapping Isaac's paintings and the symbol for galleries.--Hardvice 16:15, 24 October 2006 (EDT)

No problem

  • Not a problem, thanks for having me. As you may have seen, I came up with the original idea for the other Heroes wiki, Eclipsed. However this one seems to have progressed to the state that I originally had in mind for my version so I think I'm just going to be spending most of my time helping out here if that's not a problem!--Sidney 01:00, 25 October 2006 (EDT)


  • Since you do a lot of template work I just wanted to let you know that I do have the ParserFunctions extension installed if that ever helps you at all. (Admin 23:42, 28 October 2006 (EDT))
    • Oh excellent. We don't have that at my other Wiki. I will have to learn up. BTW, I think I have a new episode template working at {{newepisode}}. You have to feed it some variables, but it seems to work ... even puts in the <noinclude>s, which took some figuring out.--Hardvice 23:56, 28 October 2006 (EDT)
      • If you happen to come across any extensions that would be very helpful, just let me know. Wiki version info and currently installed extensions are here. (Admin 00:06, 29 October 2006 (EDT))

Bolding Article Titles

  • I noticed you go through and bold article titles. Do you do this because that's how they look on other wikis? If so that might not be because of explicit bolding, but instead because when you link to the article that you're currently on wiki displays it in bold automatically. ex. User talk:Hardvice (Admin 22:49, 29 October 2006 (EST))
    • Yeah. It's a policy on WP, but they discourage autolinks for reasons I've never been able to fathom, instead preferring a manual bold. Force of habit, I guess. Their rationale for the bold is that it somehow makes it more explicit what article you're reading ... like the big <h1> didn't give it away or something. In any case, I noticed our articles were about 50-50% and thought I'd bring 'em all in line with each other.--Hardvice 22:57, 29 October 2006 (EST)
      • Ok, gotcha. It just popped into my head and I thought I'd bring it up. Keep up the great work, you've been such an essential part of this site's success. :) (Admin 23:00, 29 October 2006 (EST))
        • Thanks! Again, I'm just happy to be here. (Actually, the only reason I'm doing the bolds now is that I'm stuck out of town without the episodes ... I was going to find quotes and trivia for Genesis but I forgot to transfer it to my laptop.)--Hardvice 23:07, 29 October 2006 (EST)


  • In recognition of how much you've contributed and how much you've helped this site grow, I'd like to offer you sysop access if you're interested so that you can take care of administrative functions yourself if necessary. Are you interested? (Admin 14:42, 3 November 2006 (EST))
    • Sure! I'm about to have slightly more limited time (studying for the bar), but I'll do my best.--Hardvice 15:00, 3 November 2006 (EST)
      • Ok, you're all set. Congrats. Just FYI I try to avoid protecting pages or banning people except where absolutely necessary. Like for instance a lot of places will protect changes to the Main Page, but unless things get out of control I'd like to leave it editable since I feel it's important for the community to be able to contribute anywhere. Since editing is restricted to people with a confirmed email address anyway it keeps out most of the would-be troublemakers and reverting is not difficult. (Admin 15:06, 3 November 2006 (EST))

Season one assistance

Could you help me make Season One look nice. --Ohmyn0 00:57, 7 November 2006 (EST)

Let me clarify that. All the episodes should be seperated and the episode image to it's right. See the article's talk page for more info. --Ohmyn0 00:58, 7 November 2006 (EST)
    • I will give it a go. BTW, I included it in Category:Season One Episodes so it won't be an orphan (and because we needed text on the category page anyway).--Hardvice 00:59, 7 November 2006 (EST)

Stubs Template

Thanks for adding the "usage" back to the template of "stubs". When I tried to re-add it, it showed up on the pages the template was on. --Ohmyn0 01:34, 7 November 2006 (EST)

  • It was missing the opening <noinclude> tag. It's easy to miss since it needs to be crammed up against the template or else it generates extra space.--Hardvice 01:36, 7 November 2006 (EST)
    • (Semi-unrelated) When you reply to my questions or comments could you possibly write them on my talk page? If not, I don't know you've replied. Thanks. :) --Ohmyn0 01:47, 7 November 2006 (EST)
      • I can copy them both places, I suppose, but I like to keep them together so I can refer back to conversations as conversations if I need to, and not just as pages of unanswered comments.--Hardvice 01:51, 7 November 2006 (EST)
        • Deal! --Ohmyn0 01:54, 7 November 2006 (EST)

location template

I'm getting frustrated with this template, but I think I have enough completed on it. The only problem is the image shows up as its entire size. I can't control it! Please help. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 02:14, 9 November 2006 (EST)

  • I set it to 250px. You can adjust that as you see fit, or you can change it to "thumb" to use each person's individual thumb setting. I also added a variable to turn the Wikipedia link on and off; it will only link to WP if you have WPLink=yes in the template call when you use it.--Hardvice (talk) 02:18, 9 November 2006 (EST)

You are the best. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 13:39, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Disambiguation Pages

Hardvice, I've noticed that Episode:Genesis and Hiro Nakamura have big ol' disambiguation logos at the top. I'm not too familiar with Wiki ettiquite, but shouldn't Hiro and Genesis point to the disambiguation pages... or is there some way we can make the big banner more subtle? I kind of liked it clean how it was before... or better yet, if the page was referenced using Hiro then it gets the disambiguation warning, but if it wasn't because you went directly to Hiro Nakamura , then it doesn't? I don't know if Wiki can do that --Orne 10:02, 9 November 2006 (EST)

  • Actually, we can do the latter (and pretty easily), if we change Hiro so that it's not a redirect, but is instead the disambig banner and then includes the Hiro Nakamura article by typing {{:Hiro Nakamura}}. Changes made at Hiro Nakamura would automatically be reflected at Hiro. Pointing Hiro and Genesis to the disambig pages is probably not desirable because so many links point there ... it would mean an extra click whenever people follow the links, or else we'd have to go back and change about a million links (and keep doing it, because folks will keep linking that way). The oddsa are that most people who search for "Hiro" don't want "Future Hiro" and people who search for "Genesis" don't want "Genesis files". We can also definitely make the dismbig banner less obtrusive ... starting by making it text-only. The consistent formatting is nice, but you're right: in this context it's just distracting.

    My suggestion would be 1) Change Hiro and Genesis from redirects to {{disambiglead}} plus {{:Hiro Nakamura}} and {{:Episode:Genesis}} respectively, and 2) make the banner less obtrusive. The only issue with 1) is that the two pages will then have separate talk pages, and I'm not sure if you can redirect a talk page (I think you can, but I don't recall for sure). I'd like to let Admin weigh in on this first, if that's ok.--Hardvice (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2006 (EST)
    • Sounds like a good compromise, Hardvice. And I do believe you can redirect talk pages so it shouldn't be an issue. (Admin 14:41, 9 November 2006 (EST))
      • Thanks for taking care of this! Honestly, I didn't mind the banner bordering, and I like how direct navigation to the subjects comes out clean. --Orne 18:51, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Tag Team Cleanup

Wow, what a system we have here: I make pages, and you correct them all. You're the best! (I just really love this show and want this wiki to grow stronger, however I'm still learning wiki tricks...) ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 19:55, 9 November 2006 (EST)

Hardvice is very conscientious. It's greatly appreciated. (Admin 20:01, 9 November 2006 (EST))
  • I think the word you're looking for is "anal" :)--Hardvice (talk) 20:49, 9 November 2006 (EST)
  • I'm just afraid that crew pages are the sort of thing that gets written quickly and then never updated. I want to make sure they're as up-to-date as possible since it's unlikely somebody will come back and edit them unless they have an image or episode to add.--Hardvice (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2006 (EST)


Hey Hardvice, I noticed your changes to the train derailment article. I'm curious, are we really supposed to write all event recounts in the wiki in present tense?? If so, I'll try to do so in my future contributions... It just seems really grammatically awkward. (3 22:14, 10 November 2006 (EST))

For consistency all articles should be written in the same tense. Not sure if using present tense was carried over from another wiki or not, but it became the de facto standard here, so we keep all articles written in present tense. I'll add something to Heroes Wiki:About for reference. (Admin 00:43, 11 November 2006 (EST))
  • It is a little awkward, but in a series with time travel, it makes thing much, much easier to follow. If something's written in the past tense, you automatically know that it means the past relative to the moment being written about, and the same for the future tense. Otherwise, I would tend to agree that the past tense sounds much better for narrative descriptions. Otherwise, descriptions of Hiro's actions become so convoluted and unintelligible that it's hard to follow what's being said.--Hardvice (talk) 00:56, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Image replacement

I tried to upload over them, but it kept giving me trouble - sorry about all of the clean up. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 02:25, 12 November 2006 (EST)

  • No problem. Hit the "ignore all warnings" tick box and it should let you reupload without difficulty.--Hardvice (talk) 02:27, 12 November 2006 (EST)
  • Ahhhhhh.... and thats the way it works. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 02:28, 12 November 2006 (EST)
    • I also just noticed you're manually inserting your signature. If you want to make it easier on yourself:
      1. Click "preferences"in the upper right of the screen.
      2. Put {{SUBST:User:ohmyn0/sig}} in Nickname
      3. Check "raw signatures"

That will let you sign posts using the toolbar button or by entering four tildes.--Hardvice (talk) 02:31, 12 November 2006 (EST)


  • I love it! ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 00:51, 13 November 2006 (EST)

Image Request

  • Hardvice, you wouldn't happen to have any other high-res pictures of the map, would you? Almost everything I can find free online is incredibly blurry. My map project is coming along. Preliminarily, it struck me that all of the "black" markers and lines seem to connect areas of rural legends... Easter Island, Himalayas (Yeti), etc. I wonder if its a tie-in to Uluru being a mythical being... --Orne 09:59, 13 November 2006 (EST)
    • Whoah. Neat. Apart from the NBC site and a few promo shots they've released, I don't know of any hi-res shots. Even at full HD resolution, the best you can get on a screen cap is about 480px high (and most of the screeners floating around are more like 350px high). Anything bigger than that has been scaled, thus the blur.--Hardvice (talk) 13:35, 13 November 2006 (EST)


  • Without some sort of naming convention, it is nearly impossible to accurately link articles. See Lostpedia's page authoring for examples.

Help Addition

  • In addition to adding something about naming conventions, we should also suggest that before altering the names or layouts of a large number of articles that the change be discussed with the community first to get feedback and consensus. This way we hopefully won't run into a situation where we need to revert many articles because of an undesired change made across them. (Admin 00:30, 15 November 2006 (EST))
    • Good call, though I'm really not sure anybody reads the help pages.  :) BTW, was I correct in assuming we follow the WP naming conventions? If so, I'll paste 'em into the help pages.--Hardvice (talk) 00:33, 15 November 2006 (EST)
      • Whatever standards we want to use are good. Wikipedia's way of doing things isn't the only way, so personally "Because that's how Wikipedia does it" means very little to me. We're our own entity with our own standards, but if the way Wikipedia does it for example sounds good, then no reason not to incorporate that here. (Admin 00:54, 15 November 2006 (EST))
        • Most of them are pretty sound. The one I'm stuck on is definite articles at the beginning of titles. I can see their point, but as long as we keep the second word lowercase there's no capitalization problem, search picks them up just fine, and I think we have a good rationale for keeping it. In reference to a TV show, an article called "symbol" just doesn't have the impact as one called "the symbol". I also don't love "use English words" because I can't think of a circumstance where someone would use the foreign word unless it was important.--Hardvice (talk) 00:59, 15 November 2006 (EST)
          • Not that it matters too much but a lot of the second words are part of a title, a proper noun as it was put to me. For example, "The mark", is indicating a specific entity, and should be "The Mark." For example, "the boss" has little meaning, but "The Boss" used to refer to a specific person.--Blackthir13en 01:05, 15 November 2006 (EST)--
            • This is true. When referring to an object specifically both would be capitalized. eg. The Symbol It might be safe to say that for instance if an article begins with "The" then the second word should be capitalized as well. Then we could always use redirects for the symbol for when we're not referring to it by name, but by it's description. (Admin 01:11, 15 November 2006 (EST))
            • Excellent point, Blackthir13en. Besides, in such circumstances the benefit of paragraph-style capitalization are lost; most links to "The Mark" in the middle of a sentence are going to need to be piped anyway.--Hardvice (talk) 01:14, 15 November 2006 (EST)

Redirect to Categories

  • When redirecting to categories, please put a colon before the word "category" in the redirect, like this: #REDIRECT [[:Category: Evolved Humans]]. This will prevent the redirect itself from being categorized.--Hardvice (talk) 03:42, 15 November 2006 (EST)
  • Got it. Cool. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 12:44, 15 November 2006 (EST)


Thanks for your comment ... I'm kinda new to Wiki, and I just thought that's how it was supposed to be done. I'm glad to know that it doesn't have to be "correct" on each page... Plus makes my job easier! Thanks for staying on top of things! Ryangibsonstewart 23:50, 28 November 2006 (EST)

  • So, if I just changed "The Algorithm" to "The algorithm", I don't have to go and find every page that links to the previous formatting and change it? I can leave them all to redirect? ... Oh, thank heavens! Ryangibsonstewart 23:53, 28 November 2006 (EST)
    • Yup! That's why I left all the redirects alone when we moved stuff back a couple weeks ago. Either The Algorithm or the algorithm goes the same place. Makes it much easier for both reader and writer!--Hardvice (talk) 23:54, 28 November 2006 (EST)
      • Well, then while we're on the subject, did we ever come to a concesus on whether the second word should be capitalized or not? I mean, obviously for some (The Genesis Files, The Exterminator, The Haitian) the second words need to be capitalized. But do I have the "go ahead" to make others lowercase? Ryangibsonstewart 23:59, 28 November 2006 (EST)
        • On Admin's say-so, the rule as I understand it is to name it however works best in a sentence. Generally, this means that the second word should be lower case (since wikia ignores the capitalization of the first word, this means a link like "[[the algorithm]]" goes to The algorithm just fine, and that's how you'd use it in a sentence.) AFAIK, we're making an exception for certain articles which begin with "the", if they are effectively proper nouns (most notably, The Symbol). Personally, as long as there are redirects, I think either way is fine (The Symbol or The symbol). It's pretty much your call as to whether or not a "the" article is Deserving Of A Random Capital or not.--Hardvice (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2006 (EST)
          • Thanks for all your help ... By the way, what's the "etiquette" for responding to somebody's talk page -- do I just respond on my own page or on theirs or on both? ... Ryangibsonstewart 00:09, 29 November 2006 (EST)
            • There's no rule. I do both so a) they'll know I commented and b) I can refer back if I need to (my memory for conversations kind of sucks).--Hardvice (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Gray & Sons image

Thanks for uploading the Gray and Sons image! ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 00:12, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Adding a Talk Link to your Signature

Thanks so much Dave - you're so helpful! How do you like the new sig? (nice and simple...) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:23, 29 November 2006 (EST)


  • Do you utilize the patrol functionality in MediaWiki at all? I did notice you turned on your autopatrolled setting for your revisions. If you use it, I could whip up another group that would also have the ability to set autopatrol for their submissions. People who've shown time and again that their revisions are high quality and fit the style guidelines could be added to the group to make it easier to identify revisions in the recent changes that ought to be reviewed first and ones that are more likely to be ok. If it would save you time, let me know... otherwise I wont bother. (Admin 21:48, 29 November 2006 (EST))
    • Sometimes I do, somtimes I don't. Mostly it depends on how many new entries there have been since the last time I checked. But yeah, I think we've got a bunch of people who are pretty consistently on the money. If it's easy, it would be great, but since I don't use patrolled edits all the time, it's no big deal either way.--Hardvice (talk) 22:12, 29 November 2006 (EST)

Lizard Picture

Thanks for getting the lizard picture, Dave - you rock! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:21, 30 November 2006 (EST)

Lizards and Muggles and Bears - Oh my!

Okay, the character boxes for the lizard and the dog are just too funny -- nice touch! - Ryan "Poo" Stewart (talk) 23:46, 30 November 2006 (EST)

  • I am particularly pleased with Mr. Muggles's significant others.--Hardvice (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2006 (EST)

"Standard Size" for photos

If you just leave me a message with what qualifies a picture to be "standard size", I can automatically do that, no sweat. ---- Ohmyn0.jpgOhmyn0talk.jpg 12:18, 1 December 2006 (EST)

  • The same as other photos in the category. It's listed in the appropriate image category when I've remembered to put it there. 200x250 for character, cast, and crew portraits. 300x169 for the sidebar images for episodes (300px at 16x9 aspect ratio). 300x225 (or so) for Graphic Novel images. I haven't really standardised them yet for locations and places, because so far they all seem to work.

If it doesn't go in a sidebar or a portal, it doesn't really matter. Otherwise, they should be consistent.--Hardvice (talk) 12:40, 1 December 2006 (EST)

Prophecy Caps

  • Fries are up!--Hardvice (talk) 03:45, 2 December 2006 (EST)
    • Seriously, you rock! No kidding, I just got chills looking at some of those pictures - it's eerie to see them side-by-side ... I'm heading to bed - I'll finish the gallery in the morning maybe. Thanks so much, Dave - it's good to have such capable and helpful people to work with! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 03:52, 2 December 2006 (EST)
      • Thank you, Dave - I know you worked really hard on the Prophecy page all day, and it looks amazing. Thanks! - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2006 (EST)