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Once again, welcome to Heroes Wiki!

Hi Thrashmeister

Hi Thrashmeister, I'm new at Heroes wiki, but I've been reading it since a while.

I'm trying to fill in the blanks; write about the summary of the latest Graphic Novel:Libertad, and also adding the photos of the newly found characters. I didn't understand why you deleted the photos?

Thanks in advance,


--Janrodrigo 16:56, 13 February 2009 (EST)

Edits to your userpage

Hey there. I notice you've been making an awful lot of edits to User:Janrodrigo/Volume 1 Characters‎. In the future, it would be much appreciated if you could refrain from doing this by using the "Show Preview" button to proofread your edits before you save them. This way, it reduces the amount of work that Patrollers have to do. Thanks. -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 11:24, 14 February 2009 (EST)

  • I feel its necessary to repeat this comment, your edits are dominating Recent Changes, thanks.-- By Danko CH 14:05, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Hi Thrashmeister,

Thanks for your guidance. Also thanks to you now I know what a 'patroller' is. As I'm new it takes some time for me learn, even basic things.

I'm a big heroes fan and also science-fiction fan. I want to help improve heroes wiki, but in order to do so, I have to improve myself first :) I would appreciate all kinds of encouragement and guidance.

By the way, what do you think of the edits I made in Graphic Novel:Libertad and in my home page?

I would prefer that you write in my talk page.

Thanks in advance,

--Janrodrigo 05:45, 15 February 2009 (EST)

  • You've been doing a great job. All of the edits you've made are great, which is quite impressive considering English isn't your native language, is it? You've been doing a better job at editing than some native English speakers here on the Wiki! It's also really nice that you're taking the initiative to improve upon yourself and upon the Wiki. That's a good life attitude. Keep up the good work! -Sincerely, Thrashmeister » talk- 11:14, 15 February 2009 (EST)
    • No, it's not. My native language is Turkish, my second language is French, then English. Are you from the States? --Janrodrigo 11:45, 15 February 2009 (EST)

On your Publishing Chronology....

Keep working on it if you like, but I've already gone through the trouble of doing that. ;) --SacValleyDweller (talk) 20:01, 15 February 2009 (EST)

  • Thank you very much SacValleyDweller... You made me release of a long effort :) I would just add some more details like dates, then put it in a page directly in Heroes wiki. Is it possible? --Janrodrigo 20:22, 15 February 2009 (EST)
    • Ok, I see you copied mine and added some things to it. Up till January 26, 2009, a user by the name of Heroes360 has kept records of Evolutions site updates and the like on his page. Some feedback:
      1. The colored media note about the canon/non-canon GNs is fact mixed with my own personal opinion. I do not know if you agree with the opinion part it or if anyone else here does. If you do agree with my opinion, you can leave it in there. if you do not you should consider removing or rewording in accordance with your own opinion with regard to the media.
      2. The extra notation is hard to understand, and it might be helpful to explain how to read it or what it means somewhere on the page (Im assuming release dates?).
      3. I am a little uncomfortable with it mirroring my own page so closely. If all you are going to do is copy my page as your page and put Heroes website updates and release/air dates in it, we might as well work together on incorporating that data into my page (I had been considering placing release/air date information in my page anyway, but I never added it because I've never needed that piece of information). That way we'll have one page with all the information rather than two almost identical pages with only minor differences between the two. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:43, 16 February 2009 (EST)
      • What I'm planning to do is to create a thorough version including, all the evolutions, release dates and also to which date it corresponds in the Heroes universe etc... But I would be glad if we could work together. I wouldn't like to mirror your page neither but just in the beginning it seems so. I copied it to have a base. I have a base but on Microsoft Word, so yours is just more sound base. I want to build up on it. I'm not sure about the GN theory but it seems logical. Look at the page now. How is it? Just the beginning of beginning of change. :) I hope we work together. Thanks, --Janrodrigo 00:52, 16 February 2009 (EST)
          1. Ok, since you have made progress on your modifications to my content, I'll take the content of your page and paste it over the content of mine. There, you can continue to add release date information and the Evolutions messages (you will be making changes to my page then, but I'm OK with that). I'll work on clarifying it, making sure it is grammatically correct, and formatting it such that it is easy to understand.
          2. I see now that some of your notation indicates the in-universe dates for the events that transpired in the media. While a good idea in it's own right, it does not fit with the purpose of my page, which is to outline when everything related to Heroes happened form the perspective of the real world. Because of that, that notation would not make it to my page. Another user by the name of Ricard Desi has a similar idea of breaking down when the events depicted in Heroes media happened in the Heroes universe, and might welcome your input, as he has stalled in his project.
          • So, shall we proceed? --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:34, 16 February 2009 (EST)
            • I'm ok with continuing from your page. But I'm not sure if I understand what you mean second. The notation can be changed but I definitely want to put both dates (real world & heroes world). What do you say? --Janrodrigo 01:42, 16 February 2009 (EST)
              • After further consideration, your "Heroes World" dates (which are more properly referred to as in-universe dates) would be ok. I do have some information on the in-universe content of some media on the page already, so adding more in-universe information, formatted the same way, would be OK for consistency sake. I'll go ahead and paste your work on top of mine and clear your page now. After that, you can keep adding what you want, and I'll streamline it tomorrow. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:14, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                • It's done, continue work here! :) --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:35, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                  • Thanks. I'll continue but for now I've to deliver a homework. Cordially, --Janrodrigo 03:44, 16 February 2009 (EST)
                    • Hi SacValleyDweller, I'm a little busy these days. But I'll start again as soon as I can. (I'm working with DNA & have to finish some experiments for my thesis) Hope to hear from you soon, Friendly, Jan, --Janrodrigo 17:10, 18 February 2009 (EST)


On our collaboration, I reworked the intro to be more concise and I reformatted a few of your entries for the first few weeks to the way I think it reads the best. I also think, now that I look at it, numbering more than Webisodes, iStories, GN's and Episodes will make the page harder to read and understand. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2009 (EST)

  • Hi, Thank you for the edits. As I'd just started editing, I was going to change all the "EW"s to "HE"s. Just one comment. I picked the term "Social Networking Website" from Wikipedia and as far as I know blogs are not SNWs. So if you don't mind I prefer to group them with Web Sites. Look at User:Janrodrigo/Heroes Release and Arc Chronology. There I've prepared the order with which all of the HE are published. By the way I let it, HEV (Heroes Evolutions Videos) because you'd also say so. You got only one thing wrong. Those folders (HEF or simply F) don't contain audio and video. The audio and video are separately contained on the sites, like the ones you called HEV. And the folders contain all the pdfs, the assignment trackers etc... Hasta luego, amigo, --Janrodrigo 04:06, 23 February 2009 (EST)
    • So, what do you think? --Janrodrigo 15:33, 23 February 2009 (EST)
      • So far so good. Keep going! :) However,a few stipulations:
        One: (this is minor), in universe dates should be writen in the format "Month Day, Year," as that is the date format most familiar to Americans
        Two: I think there is an excess of numbered things on the page now. Listing things like "HE S 2.02.13 The Rabbit Hole Opens" with the triple numbers is too much. Here's my line of thinking: The only things that need numbers are the bigger things that actually are numbered here at the wiki and are treated in special ways by our (the whole of HeroesWiki) documentation. These are the episodes, webisodes, GN's, and iStories (episodes, GNs, and webisodes have namespaces and related portals, iStory has the linked page and this portal) The rest, like in-character messages (Hana's messages for example) and changes to websites, despite most of those being numbered here too, are far too small and numerous to warrant numbering of that format on the page. The triple numbers make it harder to read for those who just stumble on the page and want to quicky skim its contents (such people were the page's intended readers). The numbering was only to equate the title of the work (ep, GN, etc.) with the number that HeroesWiki used to catalog it. The only thing I saw that needed the triple numbering (of the format 3.03.12) was the webisodes. The reason being was to give them a similar treatment to the episodes in that the first two functioned like an episode number (episode 3.03 = third season, third episode in the season; Web 3.03 = third arc of webisodes, third webisode in the arc). The last number I placed in the scheme because the Wiki didn't document the webisodes like that, only deciding to going with the simplistic straight numbering; number 1, number 2, number 3, etc. (the reasoning behind that policy was and is unimportant to me). Since you, I assume, are planning to put every single evolutions video (like the one that Drucker sent Hana) I think that the numbering of the videos should go as well. If you think that what I think does not need a number actually needs a number, a more simplistic numbering scheme may be better suited to the goal of ease of comprehension. --SacValleyDweller (talk)
        • I think that you're actually right about numbering, I'll simplify them making them just "two-numbered" instead of three. Like S 1.01 is enough. Although I don't agree with the date style (the American style is confusing for me and also for most of the Europeans), I'll try to adjust and apply: October 28 etc... I've a question. What do you think we should put each time; the internal link (Heroes wiki link) or the external link? With some of them, the external link doesn't exist anymore and directs automatically to --Janrodrigo 04:06, 24 February 2009 (EST)
          • Another question. Do you I should put the internal link each time I'm writing that part? I mean should I do like this?
            1. HE SNW 2.06 Zach's MySpace Part-6 or like this?
            2. HE SNW 2.06 Zach's MySpace Part-6 (forgot to sign) --Janrodrigo 04:15, 24 February 2009 (EST)

It Takes a Village

Hi Ryan,

I'm kind of new here and trying to learn, at the same time I'm trying to perfect the wiki as much as I can.

I have a question. In the Graphic Novel:It Takes a Village, Part 2, the Haitian has two friends and both of them speak. So they are two characters who appear in the novel. Why not to mention them? I thought it would be proper to mention all the characters appearing both in the episodes and in the graphic novels.

By the way, check out User:SacValleyDweller/Release and Arc Order. I'm trying to gather all of the heroes media in temporal order.


--Janrodrigo 13:01, 28 February 2009 (EST)

  • I don't mind having articles about those characters, but group appearances (like the Tonton Macoutes) don't belong on appearance templates.

    Thanks for the heads up about SVD's page. It's pretty awesome, isn't it? I had a similarly themed page a long time ago that I would use just to know when media was released. Sac has really taken his to a different level, so I made mine into a redirect to his. I believe Frank at HeroesARG references Sac's page quite regularly. Pretty cool! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2009 (EST)

    • Yes, it is. Actually I first came up with the idea that I would like to prepare a list or a summary in order to help anyone to relive the Heroes experience from the beginning and in order, including all GNs, Webisodes and the Heroes Evolutions. Before joining the wiki I had already prepared in Microsoft Word such a list (though not thorough) without knowing there was one here :)
      Anyway, I have question. I thought you might help me. I don't much about these naming conventions but I would like to know if it would be proper to name: The Haitian's friend (I), The Haitian's friend (II), Leader of the Tonton Macoutes' local branch or something; under the appearances? What would be proper as I strongly opine that every character whether minor or major should be mentioned. --Janrodrigo 16:24, 28 February 2009 (EST)
      By the way I would appreciate if you would answer to my talk page, instead of here. Thanks in forward, Friendly, --Janrodrigo 16:24, 28 February 2009 (EST)
      • Those names sound fine, though I would make the title of the Tonton Macoutes guy a bit simpler. "Tonton Macoutes leader" sounds fine to me. I know he's probably not the leader of the entire TM, but he's still a leader within the TM, so it's fine. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2009 (EST)

On the Progress

Nice work! on the HEV's, we dont need to link directly to the vid if we already have a summary on the wiki. also, I dont think we need to bold the numbers on them any more. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2009 (EST)

  • Unfortunately we don't have summary of the videos in the wiki. So I think the direct link should stay. Did you watch any of these videos? --Janrodrigo 13:51, 4 March 2009 (EST)
    • We do have summaries on the HEV's Sword Saint and on the GNI Drucker documentary. The rest of the HEV's we do not have summaries of, and youy are right in that we should have a direct link. Over the weekend, I'll check to see if the direct links to the videos work. I haven't yet because I have quite a bit of homework for my two math classes (College-level Algebra and Trigonometry) during the week. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:19, 6 March 2009 (EST)
      • I'm quite good at trigo, if you want I can help you :) I'm doing master degree about genetics right now but I've a good history of math degrees. If you want we can talk through msn, direct mail or whatever you like :) --Janrodrigo 03:08, 6 March 2009 (EST)
        • OK, videos and Bennet audios checked. All video links working except Video Conference ones. Bennet audios 7-10 mot working. Also, we dont need to link to the sword saint vidoes, we have each chapter and part summarized at Sword Saint. Good work so far! --SacValleyDweller (talk) 20:00, 8 March 2009 (EDT)
          • Thanks Sac, I try to do as much as I've time. But sometimes I can't find a lot. Still I love Heroes so I love every part & parcel of it :) that as a By the way, I know that we don't need the links the sword saint videos but as all the other HEV's have it, I would like to keep them too, if you don't mind. A internal link is already provided.
            I liked it, that you divided the hiatus into weeks :) that's a cool way to shape the article.
            Again, the template doesn't work, that's why I had changed it. (I don't know still to fix templates)
            Comrades, Part 2
            (Strangely enough it works here)
            After finishing everything and "decorating" it nicely. Wouldn't be good to make it a direct heroes-wiki page?
            Any way, take care my friend,
            --Janrodrigo 17:40, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
            P.S. I've been researching about the canoncy of all the "doubted" GNs, that you marked pink or red. As far as I digged & analysed, I came to think that you're right about some novels written without consulting some of the main writers. But those include some more then you marked. And anyway it doesn't matter with the Hana/Drucker and Matt storyline because they occur in 2008 and we are still in 2007. Think of an aired episode which only shows us the future where no present character time-travels to the future and three characters die in that future. That would show us nothing but a possibility about what would happen if Bob and Elle wouldn't have died. (And probably when Future Peter came to shot Nathan, he crashed butterflies... leading Sylar towards Claire and Level 5...So this is maybe one of the possible 2008s that would happen if Peter wouldn't have come from 2011.) So few of the GNs over there are completely another timeline which "could happen" :)
            Though I agree with you that those GNs should have been consulted before being published and also I know that they used scab writers, I also think that as already millions of people read those GNs it would have been the most difficult for the "original writers" to cancel them. And I think they had to accept them (most probably unwillingly) as a part of the storyline (because it's published). They even signed a second published GN collection including all the GNs that we are speaking about. And has afterwords added Ben Franklin as a hero. etc...
            What I mean is that even if the way some published GNs are prepared in a not very decent way and if they were not "fully" consulted, we have to accept them as a part of the story-line, as now the writers have also collectively accepted it. (Though some, may be most, unwillingly) I think also that; Pokaski & Coleite were kind of protesting (very reasonably) while saying "... had nothing to do with us", also meaning "we were not consulted about..."
            By the way, Chuck Kim was the only "non-scab" writer, creating GNs during the strike. He may have been consulted.
            Any way I wrote too long for a "P.S." =)
            Take care,
            --Janrodrigo 18:11, 9 March 2009 (EDT)
            • Ok, for consistency, the direct links to Sword Saint and Drucker documentary will be fine. I am toying with the idea of summarizing the other vids that we still have access to over summer break, but it would be a quite a bit of work. With regard to those particular GNs (the ones with the colored numbers), I came to somewhat the same conclusion in not so many words. They could more easily be contradicted (and some were, in a sense). they shopuld have been consulted, but I think the hands of both groups were tied; the writers (probably due to union rules) couldn't go to the scabs to consult, and NBC probably barred the scabs from consulting the regular writers. The canoncy of those GNs were more suspect than the other media. With regards to the Chuck Kim ones (and others), I'm pretty sure that there was some consulting there, and any ones that I heard/read about there being consultation (meaning written before the strike happened), the GN is is black. As I see it, there is more than one way to look at what's canon. HeroesWiki Policy (established by consensus and subject to question/change at any time) looks at the issue one way. Then there is the way that says "Whatever you think is canon, is canon." As wiki editors in our edits to the mainspace articles, we go by policy. Elsewhere, we have our own canon standards, which may or may not be in line with that of policy. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 02:15, 10 March 2009 (EDT)

Date of the e-mail

The mail came to me the 14th but as I live in Turkey, 14th here can be 13th over there in the States. And you're right I checked the hour, the message came by 03.50 a.m, which would be 08.50 p.m. the previous day in the east coast I guess. --Janrodrigo 03:40, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah, we normally go by East Coast USA time. Thanks for verifying that on your end too.--MiamiVolts (talk) 03:53, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Uncredited image

Hey, Janrodrigo. An image you uploaded to Heroes Wiki (Image:MeditateRR.jpg) is not credited. This goes against our license. You will need to either put the source for this image, or let me know that it can be deleted. If the image remains uncredited it will eventually be deleted. If you have any questions about what to do, please let me know on my talk page. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:41, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Hi Ryangibsonstewart. I actually don't know how to credit images but I took this image from a website, a myspace. I don't know whether this suits to the rules of crediting (licence rules?). Thanks in advance, --Janrodrigo 05:01, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
    • I'm not positive it satisfies the rules of the license, but at least it's an attempt. I added the source to the page, added a category, and removed the nomination for deletion. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:54, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
      • Thank you Ryan for putting the credit. P.S. In the first occasion I'll try learn what are the rules for license :) --Janrodrigo 17:46, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

Re:LA Bar customer

Hi Radicell,

Do we not count someone as "appeared" just because we don't know who portrays that person, even if the person speaks or does something and is clearly seen?

I was rewatching some old episodes and in One Giant Leap, I saw another customer next to Matt, who complains about the problems with his wife. As Matt hears him, he feels sympathy as he just disputed with his wife. So Matt lift his glass of champaign (or whatever drink) and says hi to the guy. The guy lifts back but in his head, tells Matt not to deal with the wrong guy. So Matt stops interacting with him. As we could clearly see the bar customer's face a while and thus could get a lot of "print screen" photos, I thought that the character should've been missed (forgotten to be put in the wiki I mean). So I wanted to put it.

Anyway, I actually ask because I'm not sure about the rule. So is it the rule that we put minor characters only if we get to know who portrays them? Or something similar? I'm just trying to be a good heroeswikian =) (or should I say heroespedian :))

I would like if you answer to my talk page.

Thanks in advance,

P.S. I may make some grammatical or syntactical errors as English is not my native language - Turkish is -. I learned English as a third language after French, by reading, listening to tv and speaking... So if I make any errors please don't hesitate to point them out to me :)

--Janrodrigo 08:07, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Don't worry about the English, you're doing a great job, I can fully understand you. I'm not sure there is a rule about this. Generally, for episodes, if a character is credited, then it definitely gets a page. If not, whether or not the character speaks is generally the guideline. I haven't watched One Giant Leap in a long time, and I believe you about the bar customer, so feel free to add the article. I think that with uncredited characters like this one, pages for them were simply unnecessary - that's why it seems to be "forgotten to be put into the wiki". Pages for characters like these (other examples are masked fugitive or DC cop) can be created if someone so desires. So feel free to create the page. =] --Radicell 08:31, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
    • Hi Radicell,
      I felt free to create the article because you told me so.
:I'm not sure there is a rule about this. Generally, for episodes, if a character is credited, then it definitely gets a page. 
If not, whether or not the character speaks is generally the guideline. I haven't watched One Giant Leap in a long time, and I believe you about the bar customer,
so feel free to add the article. I think that with uncredited characters like this one, pages for them were simply unnecessary
- that's why it seems to be "forgotten to be put into the wiki". Pages for characters like these (other examples are masked fugitive or DC cop) can be created
if someone so desires. So feel free to create the page. =] --Radicell 08:31, 30 March 2009 (EDT)
I was actually planning to create the page about when you told me that, but I've been busy.
I'm not sure if I understand what you say correctly. By "doubling back" do you mean to say the same thing again or to revert back from what you said previously? (Sorry again because I've never heard of that expression before). And thanks for not reverting back the articles. As you say I'm also curious about what others will say.
All the importance of Heroes to me, upto now, have been the in-world characters. So mainly most of the time I never cared who portrayed the people... as long as they are inspiring and good :) So as I love the story, or "the fiction", I love every character playing a role or participating in that "Heroes Universe". - By the way, I'm just expressing my thought, feeling I'm not trying to imply it on anybody - Therefore, I feel that everybody even if they are "seemingly ordinary" or "insignificant", should get a recognition. (I mean even if we don't know who play them... but any how; someone plays the character :)) We can't do that in real life, so at least let's apply equality here =] I think I went a little emotional :) Any way,
Take care, & thank you,
Lovingly, --Janrodrigo 11:44, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
  • Hey, Janrodrigo. I hate to do this, but I'm doubling back on what I previously said about creating new pages about characters. I've noticed that you've gone ahead and created Los Angeles Bar Customer, as well as added Emily to Template:AppearancesOneGiantLeap. My opinion now is that we probably don't need an article about either of those characters, as I told you last month. However, I can live with them having articles, but the main thing that bothers me about them, is that both are uncredited. This clogs up Category:Unknown Portrayer with a bunch of small, insignificant characters. Usually, the only uncredited characters that we make pages for, are those of significant meaning (ex. Karen Sprague, Rosetti, and formerly Leona). I won't make any reverts to the templates you edited, or the page you created, since I want to know what some of the higher-ups think about this. Again, sorry for doubling back on what I've previously said. --Radicell 10:01, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Information Update

Thought I would like to share this with you for your Information Update subpage. A network draft of the pilot was turned in (or written, it's a date on the PDF file) on December 2, 2005. Great and interesting stuff you've got there.--Citizen 17:34, 25 April 2009 (EDT) Thank you Citizen :)

  • That's great. Do you know where I could get this pdf? Or if you have it could you email it to me at
    By the way did you see the page; Release and Arc Order ? This is a subpage that me an SVD have been contributing a lot.
    Again, I've an unnecessary User:Janrodrigo/Volume 1 Characters|page that I want to delete. I don't know if I can and how.
    I hope, I didn't ask too many questions :)
    Thank you very much again,
    --Janrodrigo 02:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
    • I'll send it to you later today via email. I do like that page you guys have been working on, it might come in handy for anyone looking to start checking out the expanded universe material. And for page deletions, you can ask any of the admins (Admin, RyanGibsonStewart or MiamiVolts).--Citizen 09:33, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

GB departure

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-- By Danko CH 09:06, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Check it Out!

Hey, I just wanted to stop by and say hello... Hello! Well I have posted a blog... I wanted you to check it out and leave comments. I would love to hear them :) The website is So please check it out!--PsloverUTC 00:04, 16 August 2009 (EDT)


I put my replies on my talk page. You're doing a great job, and I'm very happy with the improvements you're making to the wiki. Keep up the good work! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Questions about recent changes on FBI agents and Gun sellers

Hi Ryan,

I was watching again the season 1 and reading the related GNs, at the same time checking appearances. I came to see that some characters were missing, so I tried to create their articles. A few questions to you, if I'm not bothering :)

  • Nope, no bother! And I'm glad that you're making new articles. :)
  • What's wrong the images? (Image:FBI agent (I).jpg, Image:FBI agent (III).JPG, Image:FBI agent (IV).JPG, ((:Image:Gun seller (II).JPG))) I tried to upload them according to the rules and also added all the categories.
    • They are not standard size. Character portraits should be 200 x 250.
  • What's a duplicate image? You nominated ((:Image:Gun seller (II).JPG)) for deletion because of duplication. But I didn't duplicate it from somewhere, I just took a snapshot from the pdf file of the GN. May be you meant something else, maybe I did some other error. So please can you explain me so that I can learn how to upload better images and create better articles. :) I'm genuine when I say this I'm always willing to learn and improve =) (By the way I also redirected the wrongly redirected links to the FBI agent.)
    • I nominated the gun seller's image for deletion because the image already exists on the wiki. It's not good practice to have multiple images floating around the wiki. I would have taken care of it earlier, but I didn't have time so I just made a note for myself to fix it when I have a little more time. Not a big deal.
  • When and how can I know when the article came to achieve to the Heroes Wiki article standards?
    • I'll fix them up--the "needs maintenance" flags were more of a note for myself to fix the pages up when I get a second. Specifically, some of the articles were missing things like the fact that they're dead, or they had some links missing, or had bolded words in the wrong spots. It's also not good practice to put the parenthetical numbers in the body of articles. So for instance, when we put quotations, we should pipe the name ([[FBI agent (I)|FBI agent]]) so it looks better (FBI agent).
  • By the way, I also don't like all those numbers around people (I), (II) etc. And you might have been angry with me when you saw me adding all those numbers from which you'd gotten rid of, a while ago. But, when I saw that there were many unnamed FBI agents or other, I did what I thought was necessary to be done. So this was to make sure that you knew I didn't do any of these out of pleasure but to approach perfection, I mean to improve the wiki.
    • Nope, not angry with you at all! You're doing a great job! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:14, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Therefore, I will be highly grateful if you help me in helping the wiki e.g. if you tell me if there's anything wrong in my style or in what I do.

Thank you very much in advance,

Awaiting impatiently for your reply,


--Janrodrigo 14:48, 12 September 2009 (EDT) (Note:please write on my talkpage)


Where in Genesis is Owen mentioned as one of Nathan's campaign workers? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm sorry Ryan, I made a mistake. Nathan while speaking with Peter, shows some paper to his blonde secretary and asks her:
These all undecideds?

She replies:


He speaks so quick that until now, I always thought he said:

Did Owen decide this?

Before I didn't have the original subtitles and the Turkish subtitles make a lot of mistakes too. So just know I checked the original subtitles and incredibly found out that the "Owen" I've put in my lists until now actually didn't exist. :)

--Janrodrigo 22:56, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

    • I undid the revision :) --Janrodrigo 22:58, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Character nomenclature

Hi Ryan,

Some questions... When we're writing the names of people in appearances what're the rules? There might be some inconsistencies.

  • I mean, one way I saw is that once, the full name (name - surname) is written and then just the first name e.g. Peter Petrelli in his first appearance and then always Peter. I felt that's the rule.
  • But for example there's also Mr. Bennet who always goes Mr. Bennet in the first season and then suddenly it becomes Noah with the first episode of season 2. Probably he was named first "Mr. Bennet" because his first name was not known before and then he was renamed "Noah" because it was revealed later.
  • But with some other poeple, it's not like that. Even we don't know his/her name at the particular episode or GN, their name is changed when we come to know.
  • Questions,
    • If the name is known but is not of great importance should the person be named according to the profession or just the name. As far as I saw, the name is always preferred. So why in Genesis it's not Scotty but Odessa Fire Chief?
    • Kin Egami appears in 2 episodes and in one GN. In both episodes, he's named Mr. Egami and in the GN, Kin Egami. Why?
    • Should we use abbreviations as much as possible? For example should Los Angeles bartender and Los Angeles bar customer be linxtexted to "LA bartender" and "LA bar customer" respectively?
    • If the name of the Haitian is revealed in this upcoming volume, are we going to change his name in his previous appearances!? I guess no. The same way is for Kin Egami, I guess. So, is it not proper to name, Mrs. Petrelli until the episode in which the name "Angela" is revealed? If this is proper, is it also not proper to linktext to what they're known at first? For example Kent Harper was known as Agent Harper until the last episode. So is it not more proper to write "Kent Harper" and then linktext it to "Agent Harper" until the last episode, where it could be written "Kent Harper" -- instead of directly changing it to "Kent Harper"?
  • Sorry for the tons of questions. I'm little confused about naming, it seems to me as if it's not done very much in solicitude.
  • By the way congratulations also for the baby news =) And thank you in forward :)


--Janrodrigo 07:00, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

    • I think we should always change a character's name on the appearances template if we discover a new, proper-noun name over a descriptive name (ex. the Odessa Fire Chief's name was discovered as Scotty, I think this change needs to be made). On the other hand, in-episode transitions such as Mrs. Petrelli -> Angela Petrelli -> Angela or Agent Harper -> Kent Harper or Jason -> Jason Pierce don't really matter much to me, although for consistency purposes I'd like it to be either listed as the same name on all the templates, or listed as different names as we discover them (as is the case with Angela, Jason, etc.) About abbreviations, it's pretty arbitrary and we usually do it if: 1) the name is quite long (ex. most of the Homeland Security agents appearing throughout Volume 4 were shortened), and 2) it's actually possible to abbreviate. --Radicell 10:13, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Thank you Radicell and thank you also for explaining me the "two parenthetical numbers occuring in succession" thing in Genesis, now I'm learning better :) Ok so you actually summerised everything into 4 points.
        1. Proper-noun name is always preferred to a descriptive name.
        2. Same name in all templates for consistency reasons.
        3. Listed as different names as we discover them.
        4. In cases where no.3 conflicts with no.2, you told no.3 could be applied (as in the case of Angela, Mr. Bennet and Jason)

So, I want to ask if no.3 conflicts with no.1, then what should we do as in the hypothetical example of the Haitian that I gave little upwards? May be the Haitian won't be changed because he's been known like that for so long. So let me ask another question.

The name, Eden McCain was not revealed until Better Halves which was Eden's fourth appearance. In the same episode we came to know that she actually worked for Mr. Bennet. Until then, we only knew that she was Mohinder's neighbour and an old neighbour and friend of Chandra. And in each of the three episodes Nora Zehetner is mentioned as Guest Starring, so a name neither there is provided. She appears in 8 episodes. So would it be proper to write like this:

{{appearance|name=Eden McCain|count=1|linktext=Mohinder's neighbor}}
{{appearance|name=Eden|count=2|linktext=Mohinder's neighbor}}
{{appearance|name=Eden|count=3|linktext=Mohinder's neighbor}}
{{appearance|name=Eden McCain|count=4}}

which would appear as;

This is not an accostomed way, but what do you (both of you) think of this? Now, one next to each other Mohinder's neighbor and Eden may stand and seem lame but in the template, between so many names I don't think it will seem lame. And the reader thus will know when the name of the character was revealed and how it was called until then + the template will also be less spoilery :) This is just an idea.

This is how the template of Genesis would stand if done so:

About Charles Deveaux for example, both his first name and surname was revealed at the same time, in his second appearance. So I've to put or Simone's father or Charles Deveaux. If I put the latter then how can I write Simone, without her family name in the template, although it's just obvious? It's clearer this way, if I write down, never letting descriptive names to be used as much as possible:

Or there's the other way, writing without considering at all, what was used once or how much was known in the actual episode:

And also see how it's now:

What do you think?

Friendly, --Janrodrigo 13:01, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

  • This isn't really the place for a conversation about policies that affect the style of the wiki...but I'll definitely add my two cents since you asked the question. In general, we use the first and last name of the character on their first appearance, and the short version of their name from that point on. Also, in general, we go back and fix the name according to new information we receive, provided that it's not a "big deal". What I mean by that is that there are a few cases where a person's name seems to be a tightly guarded secret, like Mr. Bennet's was for the first season. If the Haitian's name is revealed, he would fall under that same category. I don't think we should go back and fix their names. But somebody like Vic, that's a really minor character, and it wasn't like his name was a secret or a plot point or anything like that. It was just a minor character whose name was unknown, and he got a name later on. For those types of people (who seem to be the bulk of the name "reveals"), I don't have a problem going back and fixing up their names. But if enough people balk at the fact that we're doing a case-by-case situation, or that we're not consistent, I'd rather go back and fix all of the "Mr. Bennet"s to "Noah", rather than go the route of Peter's mother → Mrs. Petrelli → Angela Petrelli → Angela. That makes it really hard to count appearances, and seems like a really silly way to record names.

    Your other question was about abbreviating. Space on the appearance templates is at a premium. I personally would rather see more abbreviating. So yes, "Los Angeles bartender" would be better served as being linked to the title of the article ("Los Angeles bartender"), but being printed (or piped) as the shortened, abbreviated name ("LA bartender"), just to save space and to make names look nicer. Those are my thoughts and opinions, they are not policy or rules of the wiki. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

    • Thank you Ryan --Janrodrigo 16:05, 13 September 2009 (EDT)


Hi Ryan, In Genesis (Oct. 1), Claire says;

"I've got the Bishop game next week, SATs in October, homecoming is 3 weeks from today and I'm a freak show!"--Claire

However, Homecoming is little bit more then a week later. Is this a mistake of the producers? May be a wrong canonical info?
--Janrodrigo 13:37, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

  • P.S. And also she speaks as if it wasn't October. --Janrodrigo 13:40, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Yes, it's probably a mistake. Series pilots are often created long before the rest of the show's timeline is created. Plus, Heroes has never stuck very closely to an exact timeline. See here for a previous discussion on the subject. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:30, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Thanks a lot, Ryan :) Did you see this and this? I've really gone through the timeline clues with papers and pen, and also almost with strings!! =) in a very detailed way. And I found out that if we accept every piece of canon info as correct, there's NO way to build a consistent timeline. But just negating two of them make the line very consistent - but then we've to slide some events just for one day. So, what to do? What do you think? I say that I really did a very much in-depth analyses of timelines one-by-one and character-by-character. And I also concluded why it's probable (how it was possible) that those two info came to be wrong. I hope that you aprroach to this with an open mind :) So, should these be discussed somewhere, in some portal or something? Or should start changing little by little with short explanations? What do you say? Thanks again. P.S. Sorry for the spelling mistakes in recent changes, I was too sleepy. Sincerely and friendly, --Janrodrigo 02:13, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Isn't it like the first of October when she says that? I don't know about you, but sometimes I mistakingly mark my papers with the previous month when a new month starts, and some people don't know how many days each month has, so Claire could have thought it was still September. And maybe the school moved homecoming up?--Citizen 06:23, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
          • Citizen, that's exactly the rationale I use to explain it to myself. But Janrodrigo is right, that Homecoming wasn't three weeks from the eclipse. This isn't news, though--it's been discussed before (see the link above). I'm not sure what else needs to be done about it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:10, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
            • Then the school moved it up ten days. A school I used to attend frequently changed dates for school events. I don't think it's uncommon, even in the Heroes universe. A continuity error on part of the writers? Maybe. Something that can be fixed with in-world reasoning? Definitely.--Citizen 15:20, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
              • Exactly. There's also the notion of character error. Claire, in character, simply got the date wrong. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:09, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Hi Jan

I would say that was a mistake yes, but to be sure, the writers would need to be asked.-- By Danko CH 14:24, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

Hi Danko, 
I hope you don't mind, me asking a question?
In Genesis (Oct. 1), Claire says;
"I've got the Bishop game next week, SATs in October, homecoming is 3 weeks from today and I'm a freak show!"--Claire
However, Homecoming is around 8-9 days later. Also she speaks as if it wasn't October. Is this a mistake of the producers? 
--Janrodrigo 13:37, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
  • Thanks Danko. One thing to tell you is that I've found two more similar mistakes from Season 1. Those two mistakes were taken as reference points for the timeline and thus the timeline of October 2006, is slided wrongly for one day. As a consequence it is inconsistent with many other given canon data. And I don't say it just like that, I analysed it and reviewed it really a lot. What do you say? What to do? Thanks again --Janrodrigo 14:35, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Hi I'm not that familair with the wiki, but there might be a page for it so wait for Ryan's response and they could be put somewhere, good find.-- By Danko CH 14:52, 20 September 2009 (EDT)


Hello Intuitive Empath,
Did you see the discussion here and here. Could you just take a look?
Thanks a lot :) --Janrodrigo 12:22, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

O.0 Wow, wall of text. From what I can gather (not everything though, too much info at once), your timeline appears to be correct, I mean, it makes sense. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:29, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank you =) --Janrodrigo 12:31, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

Nathan Petrelli (Sylar)

Just to be sure. Are we writing everyting now down to Sylar's page? Are we accepting Sythan now as Sylar, though another Sylar keeps appearing in Matt's mind. I also think that a part of Sylar's mind or whatsoever has been transferred to Matt's mind during what he did to Sylar. This new two episodes make that clear I think. And Nathan (Sylar) when he spoke to Angela, he said he wanted to change, that he's been horrific in the past (referring to what he did in Fugitives and especially to Peter) and that he wanted to become better!! (not worse!) This resembles rather to what Gabriel Gray would say if he'd be Nathan in the past, even though he says it, in a Nathan-ish style. Plus abilities re-emerging is not a sign Sylar (I speak on a mental level - Didn't we count Jesse Murphy as Peter Petrelli when Peter was in his body?). It's completely a physical sign, completely dependent on gene expression.
My point is that he's not simply Sylar made to believe he's Nathan. He actually possesses also part of Nathan's mind and DNA. He only partly possesses the mind of Sylar and does not possess at all the desires, wishes and memories of Sylar. If he was simply Sylar made to believe he's Nathan, he would be forced to act like Nathan, which he doesn't. So if we say a person is made up of three things; body, mind and soul. We would say that this new guy's body and mind is a combination of Nathan's and Sylar's bodies and minds (I'm including everything; organs, DNA, ego, desires, memories etc.). And as soul, he has definitely Gabriel Gray's soul. So, what do you say, should we accept him simply as Sylar now on? --Janrodrigo 15:47, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
P.S. Did you notice the malicous behaviour of Sylar (I say HE's Sylar) to Matt and the classical malicious music that played again when Sylar made Matt used his power, and Sylar's classical laugh. Also, worthy to notice that none of such characteristics aren't present in "Nathan (Sylar)". --Janrodrigo 15:47, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • The character played by Adrian Pasdar possesses no more of Nathan's DNA than any other character who has shapeshifted. Nathan is dead. About the only thing that should be mentioned on Nathan's page from here on out is that Sylar is impersonating him, or anything that is mentioned about the actual Nathan (like things from his past). Beyond that, everything we saw last night was Sylar. To address a few of your other points, Jesse was actually Peter. Body insertion is a different ability than shapeshifting. Where did you hear that Sylar possesses Nathan's DNA? I haven't heard that. Nor do I think it would make a difference--possessing somebody's DNA somehow still doesn't make you that person. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • I wasn't meaning that we should write the summaries in Nathan's page (and I'm against of it as much as you). However don't you even slightly feel that he's not entirely the Sylar we knew? What I mean is that just as we've a page for Jessica Sanders, another personality of Niki Sanders; at least we should have a page called Nathan Petrelli (Sylar) or "Sylar (Nathan Petrelli)" and put the summaries there and also to Sylar's page, in a little shorter style, under another title or whatever. What do you say? --Janrodrigo 16:13, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, yeah, obviously Sylar has changed. I'm not sure it's the same situation as Niki and Jessica...but a separate page is an idea I'd be willing to entertain. Why don't you draw something up in your user namespace so we can see what it would look like. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:15, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
        • Thanks --Janrodrigo 16:18, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Can you fix...

Ryan, I was writing the Synopsis of the first episode, I used the codes <!-- and --!> for writing some extra stuff, to be left for correction. But then everything below, including the quotes disappeared. Could you fix it, please? --Janrodrigo 17:22, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Done. It was a simple code error. You used ––!> instead of just ––>. No worries! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Thank you really. You're great. Friendly, --Janrodrigo 17:31, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

Count numbers - technical question

Hi Ryan. In the list of appearances pages, such as List of character appearances by episode, List of character appearances by graphic novel or List of character appearances by webisode etc. Next to the characters appear (2) or (5), the counting of the appearance appears. But when I copy the entire content of the page and paste it somewhere else, such as here, it doesn't work. The numbers don't appear. Then how come in those pages they appear? What does it make them appear, I mean how does it work? Thank you, --Janrodrigo 15:31, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

  • If you're trying to copy the code on the list of appearances pages themselves, you'll notice that the page is simply made up of a bunch of templates. So if you go to one of the templates, like Template:AppearancesGenesis for instance, you'll notice that the names are added using another template: Template:Appearance. The appearance template is set up to only show the counts on the lists of character appearances. That way the counts aren't shown on the episode (or GN or webisode) pages. Check out the code here and see if that helps explain things. Specifically, it's the code that says {{#if: {{#pos: {{PAGENAME}}|List of character appearances|}}| ({{{count}}})|}} which means that the code will only appear if the page's name has "List of character appearances" in it. Hope that helps! Let me know if you need me to explain it more or differently. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:31, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
    • Little tough but yes, I understood. So, thank you very much =) --Janrodrigo 21:12, 23 September 2009 (EDT)


Hi Ryan,
I've created a template and tried to use it in this page. However when I say count=3, nothing appears. It works with all the other counts, but not with "3". I tried to fix in, in vain. Could you give me a hand in it? And also sorry for the tons of edits I'd to do, in order to succed in making the template... I was learning (if, ifeq, ifexist...).
Thanks a lot in advance,

  • No worries about the tons of edits--we all have to learn the coding somehow. Bravo for taking the time to learn it yourself! A few notes about the template: ifexist is a code to determine whether or not a link exists on the wiki. So {{#ifexist: Claire | this link exists | this link doesn't exist}} returns "this link exists". On the other hand, {{#ifexist: count| this link exists | this link doesn't exist}} returns "this link doesn't exist". Therefore, when you replace count with 3, the template is searching to see if there is a link on the wiki for "3". There isn't. However, there is a link for 1, 2, and other numbers. Try changing ifexist to just if, which just checks to see whether you've inputted that code or not. Let me know if you still get stuck. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
    • It was enlightening. I'll try it now. Thank you Ryan. --Janrodrigo 13:27, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
      • I've tried if before. But then this and this happens. In the template I created, {{{count}}} stands for each count specific to every episode, gn or iStory etc., similar to what we use in this wiki. {{{countt}}} stands for "count total" without considering whether it's an episode, GN or Heroes Evolutions. {{{countm}}} stands for "count mention", to count the people mentioned or seen in a photo of a specific episode or GN etc... And {{{countmt}}} stands for "count mention total", same with {{{countm}}} but for mentions. What I want to have:

* [[{{{name}}}|{{{name}}}]] ({{{count}}}, {{{countt}}}) ; if there is an appearence OR
* [[{{{name}}}|{{{name}}}]] ({{{countm}}}, {{{countmt}}}) ; if there is a mention or someone seen in a picture etc..
What I mean I need "this" or "that" structure. But when I use if, both of them happens. That's why I used ifexist in the first place. Therefore what can I do? --Janrodrigo 15:05, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Okay, it should work now. Let me know if it's still not doing what you want it to do. The biggest issue I'm seeing is that you're sometimes mixing up the mentions and the appearances. For instance, with Zach on Week 9, you've inputted a total count as well as a total mention count. Shouldn't it be an appearance tally (count) and an appearance total (countt), or mention tally (countm) and a mention total (countmt)? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:58, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
    • You're wonderful. Thank you so much. If it would be me, I couldn't do what you did :) You took so much trouble. Now it's working. I don't understand exactly how, but I wouldn't want to give you trouble of explaining in details. Just one question.. What's the difference between {{{something}}} and ? And I'll work in correcting the page asap. It's as you said; count & countt OR countm & countmt. By the way, I haven't watch the new episode yet. I'm curious what's coming now...

Thank you so much, again :)
--Janrodrigo 03:13, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

  • It's not showing. I meant (((something))) and (((something|))), but in those strange parantheses. But it doesn't show when I write like that. --Janrodrigo 03:16, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
    • What's funny is that the very reason the code isn't showing up on this page explains the difference! :) {{{foo}}} simply means to input the variable "foo". But {{{foo|}}} means to input the variable "foo", and that if nothing is inputted, then nothing is used as a default. The pipe simply means that anything after it is the default. So, you can actually specify what the default is by typing something after the pipe. For instance, {{{foo|Jan}}} will return Jan, unless I input something specific for foo. A good example of where this is used is on a template like Template:Minornavcell. The template requires you to specify the season number. But if you don't specify the season, it uses "4" as a default, since we're in the fourth season right now.... Hope that helps. It's no trouble at all. I always enjoy helping people understand template coding better, because I had some very good helpers who explained things to me when I was learning it all, and I really appreciated it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:43, 29 September 2009 (EDT)