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| align=center | [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Oct-Dec 2006]] || <small> Links to characters on main page • Heroes Graphic Novels • Other Wiki • Main Page Layout • Fan Site Awards • Icon • Alternate languages • Nov. 8 welcome • Wikipedia • Main Page -- So much content, so little room • Future AOTW Nominees • Article of the week • Who's the most powerful flamewar prevention? • Show's Hiatus • Name • UK premiere of Heroes • Portal Navbar</small> |
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== Heroes Reborn == |
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== Previews/Trailers/Videos Page == |
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OK, maybe this isn't the best place to post this, but I looked around awhile, and couldn't find a more generic place to write about suggestions, so I opted for the main-page. I really like alot of what is being posted here, and what is available from a fan's perspective. One of the things however, that we don't have (and I couldn't find anything on), is a page dedicated to linking to the available episodes themselves, and the barrage of trailers that keep coming out. With the huge growth of popularity of the show, NBC is pumping out all kinds of cool trailers. Last week it was the Ted/Hana Preview during Deal or No Deal. Earlier this week, they came out with Previews (both US and Canada) of RUN. Later today I found a new trailer of a newly release scene between Sylar and HRG where they actually show HRG's Primatech Paper Company ID up-close (No, I couldn't make out his first name). My point is, I have to go to YouTube, or NBC, or several different Heroes sites to find all of the available trailers and preview clips that are out there, to stay caught up. What if we created our own 'Previews' page, and it could be ordered chronologically, with links to the Episode Streams on NBC, to the Previews Commercials (wherever they are found), and even the GNs? I personally, would like to have a one-stop page to go to that has all known available clips and previews for Heroes, and what better place to host that than the Heroes Wiki Fansite? |
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I changed the very old "Next Graphic Novel" section to direct to [[Heroes Reborn]]. No spoilers, just a point to the new page. I figure that it should be a bit more prominent than it is. Also, I figure that's what people are looking for when they come to the site. Any objections? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:21, 20 April 2014 (EDT) |
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Is there any bad reason not to do this? Or is it a useful and good idea? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 17:07, 02 February 2007 (EST)</small> |
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* Right now, the episodes are linked from the individual episode pages, and there's a link to the whole NBC.com video page from [[Links]]. I like the idea of links to the upcoming previews, but they come and go pretty fast. I'm not sure what the best answer is ... putting them on the individual Spoiler pages for each episode makes the most sense (the page is already there, and then there's no need to maintain them ... just archive them instead). That said, it defeats the idea of having them all centrally located. Maybe we can make the current previews links a template (for easier maintenance) and add them to [[Links]]. That's the most logical place, I'd say.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:39, 2 February 2007 (EST) |
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* Come to think of it, we can put the episode links in the same template. Let me work something up.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 16:43, 2 February 2007 (EST) |
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**I just noticed that NBC has 'goofed up' their episode rewinds.....now they are no longer making available 2-8. Just Genesis, and then Homecoming forward. Bummer. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 18:07, 02 February 2007 (EST)</small> |
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*** I doubt it's a goof. They said all along that they were online "for a limited time". In any case, I added a template: [[Template:videosplain]]. It's not formatted yet, but it should give you some idea of what the box will look like. Is that sort of what you had in mind?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:00, 2 February 2007 (EST) |
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****Excellent!<small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 18:09, 02 February 2007 (EST)</small> |
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I combined the [[Template:languagebar|languagebar]] with the [[Template:mediabar|mediabar]] since the language bar was looking kind of skimpy. I changed the name to the all-encompassing "Sites Related to Heroes Wiki". If it's an issue, let me know and I can revert everything. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:57, 8 April 2015 (EDT) |
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The vertical bar looks... interesting. I would say keep it only if we change the Article of the Week format. That bulky format fills up the screen - fast. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 14:17, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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* Looks good to me! ([[User:Admin|Admin]] ([[User talk:Admin|talk]]) 17:00, 8 April 2015 (EDT)) |
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* The problem is definitely with the AOTW. It already looked like crap at anything below 1280x1024 because of the blurb + sidebar combo.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:26, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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* Not a big fan of the veritical bar personally. Strikes me as out of place and difficult to read (left to right easier than top to bottom). Just my opinion. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:15, 3 January 2007 (EST)) |
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**How about ... diagonal? (hehehe) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:19, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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**The horizontal one is just so freaking huge ... at low res it's like a third of the page. We can keep it, but it really makes me want to cry. (OK, maybe not...)--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:30, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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*** Now maybe if we kept it one line and put it in a scroll box...--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:31, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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**** I think I'd like the scroll bar less. haha. If you take the vertical bar with cells sized exactly like it is now and make it horizontal then it should fit in one or two lines, shouldn't it? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:35, 3 January 2007 (EST)) |
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***** Not at 1024x768.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:41, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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**** Though more importantly, it comes down to what everyone else thinks of it. Do most people prefer it being vertical over horizontal? If so, let me suffer. :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:37, 3 January 2007 (EST)) |
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***** '''Horizontal''' --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 15:38, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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***** Horizontal is best (for so many things...) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 15:46, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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****** I changed [[Template:Portalnav]]. Throw that in there. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 15:44, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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* What about axeing the template-index? The navbar does its job - in style. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 15:38, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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** I can get behind that, but then I'm obsessed with the portals.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:42, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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** I'd say if we can leave it, let's. I think it's nice to have one-click access to a lot of the popular topics like the template-index has. But if it ends up getting in the way I think we can kill it. I just wouldn't want to get rid of it unnecessarily even though the portals give you access to the same info. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:50, 3 January 2007 (EST)) |
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*** I like it better with, now that I've seen both. And since it's all the way at the bottom, it only adds length, which is no real problem.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:53, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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***What ''would'' help, though, is moving [[Template:Todo]] to the bottom and making it horizontal. The right column is always longer than the left, and the tasks look out of place alongside all that content.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 15:56, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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I attempted to fix the article of the week - but now, it may be too small. --{{User:ohmyn0/sig}} 15:15, 3 January 2007 (EST) |
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== Fan Site == |
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can http://www.heroes-forum.com be Placed on the box of the article? |
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:It's reserved for sites that prominently link to us on their main page (or on all pages). I've contacted them before about crosslinking, but my emails are always apparently ignored since I never receive a response. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 15:51, 5 January 2007 (EST)) |
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==Wikipedia vs Heroeswiki== |
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* I was browsing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29 Wikipedia's version], and decided to pop over to their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heroes_%28TV_series%29#Heroes_Wiki_.28p2.29 Discussion] page. Apparently there's a mini-war going on over what they think of HW, and let's just say that they aren't very kind to us. Anyone mind if we start de-linking our articles from Wikipedia? I personally don't think they deserve any more traffic from us than the minimum... --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 15:49, 8 January 2007 (EST) |
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**Actually, yes, I do mind. Just because there are a few (or many) small-minded folks over at the talk page on Wikipedia's ''Heroes'' article doesn't mean Wikipedia itself is bad. In fact, Wikipedia really is a very good resource, in my opinion. Not perfect, but neither are we. I don't think we should necessarily link to the ''Heroes'' article at Wikipedia, but I think it's just fine to link to other reference articles on Wikipedia. (I think that's primarily the only links we have Wikipedia on the main pages anyway, right?) Plus - ''lots'' of pages link to Wikipedia, that's a bigger task than its worth just because some people don't like our site. :) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 16:21, 8 January 2007 (EST) |
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** Wikipedia is still a good place for useful or neat information, even if there are a few vocal editors that don't like Heroes Wiki. I think that if a link adds to the article it should be kept (or added), there is no reason to withhold information just because they do. -[[User:Level|Level]] 16:23, 8 January 2007 (EST) |
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** Sounds like someone's acting a little territorial. Funny they should disparage HeroesWiki for being a fansite when it says on the front page that that's exactly what we are. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:52, 8 January 2007 (EST) |
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** There are two things at play here. First off, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, Heroes Wiki is a fansite albeit one based on collecting information on Heroes. Wikipedia has more strict criteria for inclusion than we do. As such, it may or may not be appropriate for there to be a link from Wikipedia to here. That's up to their policies and personally it doesn't matter to me if they link to us or not. Secondly you've got some people on Wikipedia who have trouble detaching emotion from their work there. Perhaps frustrated by the popularity of Heroes Wiki since Heroes Wiki, by its very nature, is designed to be more oriented towards what fans want to see rather than being constrained by the rules of an encyclopedia. There are pros and cons to either approach. In any event Wikipedia is a good resource despite the actions of certain problem editors. We currently link to Wikipedia for non-Heroes content as any Heroes-related content we'd just add here ourselves. As far as the Heroes pages on Wikipedia go, I'd just suggest ignoring the discussions. Their opinions aren't really important to us. :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:25, 8 January 2007 (EST)) |
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== Do we place the comics in the "Next on Heroes" box? == |
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Or do they manage to keep all info about it under wraps so that there would be nothing for us to write about them before they are released? [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 15:24, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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* Unfortunately, that's generally how it works. The comics usually aren't even released on NBC.com until like 3AM on Tuesday morning (I'd check, but I'm lazy, but I think it's after the Hawaii broadcast). Someone somewhere knows what the next one will be, but they're tight-lipped. The only reason we get the blurb we do is that TV Guide publishes the blurb several weeks in advance. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 15:29, 10 January 2007 (EST) |
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== Spoiler warning on the 'Next on Heroes' infobox == |
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I think it may be useful to add a -very- brief spoiler warning to the "Next on Heroes" infobox. Although this information does come from the widely-read TV Guide, some fans (like me) try hard to avoid exposure to information about future episodes before airdate. So, it may be appropriate to add a two word blurb like: "Warning: Spoilers" to the top line of the box. (If MediaWiki had a better tool for collapsible/expandable boxes, that would probably be best.) Thoughts? -- [[User:DTM|DTM]] 15:23, 18 January 2007 (EST) |
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: Similar concerns have been raised on [[Template talk:Nextepisode]]. The ''Next on Heroes'' box has always included either the TV Guide listing or (during the break) information blurbs from the NBC site. Personally, I do not feel the information is too spoilerish, but then again I practically breathe this stuff. --[[User:Orne|Orne]] 16:01, 18 January 2007 (EST) |
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:: Well, I have mixed opinions on this. I've obviously gone [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Nextepisode&diff=prev&oldid=20954 back] and [http://heroeswiki.com/index.php?title=Template%3ANextepisode&diff=22219&oldid=21874 forth] on the idea, but ultimately took out the spoilers warning because I thought nobody cared. But I'm flip-flopping again, now that somebody else shares my opinion. I think the warning is unobtrusive, and good to have to possibly warn those that want to be warned, and also just for CYA. I'll swtich it now. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 16:45, 18 January 2007 (EST) |
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: Speaking of spoilers, I now noticed that someone has placed info on the site that comes from the promos. SO I have two questions: |
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:* Are these to be cosiddered spoilers? |
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:* Are these promos to be considdered full canon? After many years following TV series I have learned that things in an ep can be changed up untill jus hours before broadcast. Not often, but it happens. |
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:-- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 04:47, 20 January 2007 (EST) |
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::They're not considered canon until they officially air. The info can be included with a proper spoiler warning, but should not be included in the main article space until it airs. - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 12:37, 20 January 2007 (EST) |
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==We really need edit-locks== |
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As we now are a bunch of people regularly editing the articles, we need a way to lock articles so that two people don't edit the same article at the same time. There was just now an incident where I was working on expanding an article as Hardvice came in and did some (Much needed, I admit) spelling corrections. The problem is that meant i couldn't save the expanded parts of the article without some major manual hassle. Is there a way to fix this? -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 11:27, 21 January 2007 (EST) |
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* The way MediaWiki already does this is really the optimal way of handling concurrent editing. Any system that allows multiple people to edit an item inevitably runs into some sort of issue. Out of curiosity, when you edit an article do you make sure to use the Edit link for only the section that you're working on? If you use the page-level Edit function you're more likely to run into problems when editing a section. Using the section Edit links gives you section-level granularity which is less prone to conflicts. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:31, 21 January 2007 (EST)) |
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** The aricle in question was very short, so it wa pretty much an all-or-nothing deal. Are you saying there is a way concurrent editing is handed at this time? -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 11:33, 21 January 2007 (EST) |
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*** I meant a wiki ipso facto is a concurrently-edited system. The alternative to the way MediaWiki does it would be for a lock to be placed on an article/section once someone starts editing it. Of course if someone places a lock, how long does it last? With such a method anyone could pretty easily DoS an entire section, article, or potentially a whole wiki by continually requesting locks. Also if the locks expire in the middle of an edit then you'd be back in the same situation. This is why locks aren't extremely common in concurrent editing systems. In most systems the burden is placed on the latest editor to resolve any conflicts that their contributions make. I've run into conflicts before and usually it's not too difficult to just copy my contributions, refresh the version I'm working with, and then paste my contributions back in. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:40, 21 January 2007 (EST)) |
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**** It is true that real locks tend to be burdensome, but some sort of notification that omeone is allready editing the page might be in order. I believe MoinMoin has something like that. -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 11:45, 21 January 2007 (EST) |
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***Editing just a section is a great idea. There's a few other things you can do, too. |
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***#If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you'll see the difference between your edits, and then you can cut and paste and put your edits back in. (''Even just now, 2 other edits were done in the time it took me to write this post - I just went to the bottom, and cut & pasted.'') |
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***#In the case that you're describing, you can also override the previous edits, and then go back and restore them - i.e., make your edits, see the edit conflict, save yours over Hardvice's, and then go back and restore his spelling corrections. (This would only be best if the other edits are minor, like spelling corrections). |
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***#Finally, if you're saving your work before you're finished, make a note of it in the edit summary (something like "saving work" or "still working"). This is not foolproof, but will generally alert other users that you're in the middle of a project, and we (hopefully) won't touch it until you're done. |
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:::Hope that helps! - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 11:47, 21 January 2007 (EST) |
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* MediaWiki does have built-in editing conflict resolution. Even if you're editing the whole article, it will generally process multiple edits concurrently unless there's a direct conflict (i.e. two people edited the same text differently). Edit conflicts are actually kind of rare, and are fairly easy to resolve manually using cut-and-paste and the two versions displayed on the conflict screen.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 12:58, 21 January 2007 (EST) |
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==Official Wiki== |
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I just noticed http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/wiki/index.php/Main_Page --[[User:Joshtek|Joshtek]] 17:38, 24 January 2007 (EST) |
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: See [[Heroes_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#NBC's New HeroesWiki]] -- [[User:Cuardin|Cuardin]] 07:03, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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::Not that ''we'' are either, but I wouldn't call it an "official" website. :) - [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|RyanGibsonStewart]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|talk]]) 10:57, 25 January 2007 (EST) |
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:::I am, however, pleased to note that the bulk of their edits seem to consist of [http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/wiki/index.php?title=Episode_guide&curid=1516&diff=1909&oldid=1908 vandalism] (and you've got to love the white-on-white diff page -- highlight it to read). They really need to pay better attention.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:37, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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::::Do you have a problem with white-on-white? — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:51, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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::::: NS + DLH 4 EVA--[[User:Hardvice|Interracial Kids Are Cuter]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:00, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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::::Plus, I'm not so sure that's vandalism. I'm pretty sure it's from an upcoming episode. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 00:54, 3 February 2007 (EST) |
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:::::I think Ryan's right. I think it's their emergency series finale in case the show ever gets cancelled without warning. ;) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 00:56, 3 February 2007 (EST)) |
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Latest revision as of 03:23, 7 January 2016
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Heroes Reborn
I changed the very old "Next Graphic Novel" section to direct to Heroes Reborn. No spoilers, just a point to the new page. I figure that it should be a bit more prominent than it is. Also, I figure that's what people are looking for when they come to the site. Any objections? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:21, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
Language Bar
I combined the languagebar with the mediabar since the language bar was looking kind of skimpy. I changed the name to the all-encompassing "Sites Related to Heroes Wiki". If it's an issue, let me know and I can revert everything. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2015 (EDT)