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{{power names|1|eos=[[Jeremy Greer]]'s [[assignment tracker]] explicitly calls his ability "healing touch"}}
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== development ability of healing ==


To me this ability is the same as healing but a step up, none of these abilities have brought people back to life once they are fully dead: I know this sounds daft how can somebody not be fully dead but you can bring people back by shocking their hearts by using electric pads; Peter was being drained and Ishi was dying but we don't know if this was to do with ability or her own health but Linderman didn't have no negative effects on him, as they both seem to have this in common.--50000JH 09:21, 24 February 2010 (EST)
==Heal vs Cure==
*Not to start up an old debate, on a different board, but I don't see why '''healing touch''' is seperate from Linderman's ability. It requires basically the same method to use and accomplishes the same thing. Do we know that Linderman's ability doesn't work like Jeremy's, such as his mood affects the ability and could kill instead of heal? Didn't Linderman touch everthing he healed? It's the same thing, Jeremy just couldn't use it as well as Linderman.--[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 17:04, 2 June 2010
Cancer is not just an injury that can be repaired. It's an ongoing disease condition in which mutated cells reproduce in an uncontrolled fashion. To cure cancer, Austin had to stop the uncontrolled growth of cancer cells as well as repair the damage to his mother's liver. To my mind, cancer is a disease you have to cure, not just an injury you have to heal. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 16:47, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
**The issue is that we don't know if Linderman can kill like Jeremy can. Unless we somehow get confirmation that Linderman could kill as well, they remain seperate abilities.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 18:04, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
* I know what cancer is, as having many family members with it. The reason why I reworded it was due to the nature of the narrative while the flashback occurred. He talked about organs failing, and how he healed them. In a way, he healed his mother by regrowing healthy cells versus cancer cells. For instance, research now in the field of "curing" cancer is regrowing healthy tissue instead of cancerous tissue, or organ cells instead of cancer cells, and removing the cancer cells. Again, the reason why I rephrased the description was because the ability is known as "healing", so I put it in terms of healing versus curing. Plus, who's to say that his mother <b>was</b> cured of cancer? She merely got better than her previous state, then he left. --[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 16:56, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
***I don't argue that we don't know if Linderman can or can't do that, just that it is a very minor thing to list them as two seperate abilities when a simple note about the known difference in Jeremy's case would suffice. Not that this makes a huge difference to me but this is almost like listing Meredith and her brother's pyrokinesis seperately because his flame is blue, or making all of the Parkmans' abilities seperate, since all what they can do is not just telepathy.--[[User:Inblackestnight|Inblackestnight]] 22:22, 2 June 2010
**Given that we don't anything about how Austin's mother fared after he left home, then, I don't have any further objection either way. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:03, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
****SIGNATURE. *Ahem* Whether it's a big difference or not is irrelevant, we don't know if they're the same ability and there are enough inconsistencies to label them as different abilities. Both Meredith and Flint were confirmed to have pyrokinesis, and unless I'm mistaken it's the same case with Maury and Matt.--{{User:PJDEP/signature1}} 22:33, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
**I have tried to update the entry to reflect exactly what we know about th incident. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:06, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
*****Also, the color difference in pyrokinesis and the variety of things that can be done with telepathy are logical and were properly explained. Even precognition through telepathy was explained. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 23:21, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
***Sounds like what I was trying to do. Good job.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 18:59, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
==Nidia's Mexican healer friend ''(aka La Curandera)''==
* She explicitly said "I am a healer".
* She attempted to heal Maya in the same manner Linderman healed Heidi.
* As she attempted to use her healing power, Maya's "blackness" blocked the healing, in the same way, and with the same reaction and sound effects as when the Haitian blocks Matt's power.
* Her ability to know about Maya's blackness, and say no one could heal her, shows a understanding of healing, far greater than any 'fake' could be able to determine.<small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/1/2007 23:09 (EST)</small>
** While she did in fact say she was a healer, what she really said is that she's a [[wikipedia:curandera|curandera]]. That's her occupation, not necessarily her power.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:46, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

When I watched that scene, the sound effects sounded like those when [[Matt Parkman]] uses telepathy. I got the impression from that scene and both the visual and audio cues that while she may be a healer, her power itself is more along the lines of telepathy. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:11, 1 October 2007 (EDT))
* I thought telepathy, too. I doubt we'll find out anything more about her, and it's too speculative to say for sure. A note on her page at best. (Sounds like a good [[User:Ryangibsonstewart/Behind the Eclipse|Behind the Eclipse]] question, though.) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:06, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
**Agreed. Her dialog could easily be thoughts Maya has on her ability (such as being filled with darkness that streams down from her eyes) and it sounds more like commentary than her actually identifying the problem. I think it's telepathy if anything.--[[User:Baldbobbo|Bob]] 00:08, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
***I'll restate this again. Think about it carefully. There is no doubt, from the episode, that the Mexican woman used [[Telepathy]]. That power '''was not''' blocked. However, '''something''' else was blocked. Both of their reactions, as well as the sound-effects, showed something being blocked, while [[Telepath]] was working just fine. The lady specifically stated, "I am a healer". Exact Episodic quote. Then she took Maya's hands, and began to attempt to heal her, in the exact manner that [[Linderman]] began to heal [[Heidi]]. Only then, was a power blocked. And it wasn't [[Telepathy]] being blocked, she continued to use telepathy. None of her telepathic statements were ever cut-off, or blocked, or prevented. Based solely on what happened in that scene, and what was said in that seen, and how other episodic scenes in the past have dealt with those similar powers, this Mexican lady is both what she claimed to be, "I am a [[Healing|healer]], and based on her results, "a [[Telepathy|telepath]]...a telepathic healer. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/2/2007 11:39 (EST)</small>
**** Again, in Spanish, when she said "I am a healer", it's more like "I am a construction worker" (occupation) and less like "I am a telepath" (superpower). ''Curandera'' is a real, everyday occupation that real people have in the real world. They go around saying "I am a healer" all the time, and none of them have any superpowers. The abilities she displayed do not involve doing any actual healing. Maybe she's a telepath; maybe she has some kind of psychic ability to diagnose. But she does not display any sign of being able to heal people [[Linderman]] fashion whatsoever.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:36, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
**** And she's still not Mexican. She was trying to cross into Mexico, not out. She's Guatemalan.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:37, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
**** The confusion over what country the twins are in almost makes me want to create a map, a la Indiana Jones with a big red line from The Republic of Dominica to Guatemala, to Mexico, to wherever they go next. Then an article like "Event: Herreras' Flight" to help those without a good grasp on Central American geography follow them episode by episode. Being from Houston, I have enough friends from Central America that I'm fairly familiar with common migration routes. :P--[[User:NissanVersaDootDoot|NissanVersaDootDoot]] 00:48, 4 October 2007 (EDT)
***** Howdy fellow Texan. I bet you knew what a "coyote" was, too. As for the article--that actually sounds pretty helpful. It could be a good feature to include on [[Maya's victims]] if you don't want to write an entirely separate article.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 00:53, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

== Notes ==

* We have a couple entries in the Notes section about people who were called "healers", but haven't demonstrated any specific ability related to the power of Healing as it's being documented here. I think they should be removed, any other thoughts? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:45, 2 October 2007 (EDT))
** While the scene with the [[curandera|healer]] did show more characteristics of telepathy, she specifically called herself a healer, and went through the same initial motions to heal Maya that [[Linderman]] did to heal [[Heidi]]. For me, trying to be the least speculative, it appeared that she showed two powers, [[Healing]], (albeit claimed and attempted but not succeeded), and [[Telepathy]]. [[Maya's ability]] did not stop or block her [[Telepathy]], because she was able to use it. The only blocking that occurred, was on her [[Healing]] power. If the only power she held was [[Telepathy]] only, then she wouldn't have gotten any readings, and we wouldn't even know she had telepathy because it wouldn't have worked if it were being blocked. [[Maya's ability]] blocked something, by her reaction, and by the blocking-sound effects. The only other power stated in the show, was [[Healing]]. "I am a healer". As cannonistically direct from the episode as it possibly could be. Maya's power didn't block [[Telepathy]], it blocked [[Healing]]. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/2/2007 11:33 (EST)</small>
*** The audio/visual effects were similar to Matt Parkman's when he uses his telepathy normally. So it does seem she used at least some version of telepathy to get an idea of what was wrong with Maya. But just because she calls herself a healer isn't nearly enough evidence to say she has the Healing special ability. It doesn't look like Maya's power blocked anything, the healer was just frightened by what she learned about Maya's power. In terms of canon, all that can be interpreted from that episode is that the womain claims to be a healer, not that she has the Healing special ability. Even as a note, this is misleading. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:38, 2 October 2007 (EDT))
*** I watched the scene again and I'm not so sure anymore. Her power may be something like empathic or telepathic healing or something. So it's possible both are right and that the effect was Maya's power overwhelming the healer. :) ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:46, 2 October 2007 (EDT))
**** Also to consider, before dismissing this woman as a healer, is what Ryan posted over in the Lizards Talk. The credits specifically stated her daughter's name as 'the healer's daughter'. That's two specific episodic references to this woman being a healer....To say she isn't one, is more speculative than accepting what the episode redundantly stated otherwise. She wasn't successful in healing, so we didn't witness her heal....but the episode denotes twice, she is a healer. She was also power-blocked while attempting to heal, and she wasn't blocked from using her telepathic ability. HHHhhhmmm what was she blocked from doing? <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/2/2007 11:49 (EST)</small>
***** I'm not disputing that she was a healer. I'm disputing whether her '''special ability''' was that of [[Healing]]. Most healers don't have special abilities. They heal using herbs or medicines or even spiritual means. It's also unclear whether anything was blocked at all. She did appear to use a telepathic power to learn about Maya's condition. Whether that was plain telepathy or some type of telepathic/empathic component to a potentially healing ability is unknown. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 11:57, 2 October 2007 (EDT))
****** I would dispute that she was definitely a healer of any sort. Many people call themselves healers despite the fact that their practice is a bunch of malarky. It is just as possible that this woman was completely bogus as it is that she was completely genuine. She demonstrated no definite power and healed no one. Besides, the name "healer" can be equally applied to [[Claire]], [[Linderman]], [[Beth Lindall]], or [[Dr. Witherson]]. Heck, even [[Sylar]] said he could fix or heal [[Brian Davis]]. I'm just not ready to make the leap that this woman was an evolved human yet, and certainly not that she has the power of [[healing]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:29, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
******* I take the use of her title as "healer" pretty loosely, too. In fact when I first saw her I figured she was more of a "spiritual healer" or even, as you said, completely bogus. :) However if you check out the audio/visual cues you can see there is some sort of power at play. The audio is in fact very similar to Matt's telepathy specifically during moments of tension (they use a less tense version of the effect for other situations). Compare it for instance to the effects when Angela mentally screams for Matt to get out of her head. When it comes to audio cues that a power is in effect they've yet to try to mislead us. Audio cues have been pretty reliable so far (even if we sometimes mistake one for another). It definitely does seem that the "healer" has some power which if it's not a form of telepathy at least has a telepathic component and allowed her to sense the danger of Maya's condition. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 12:46, 2 October 2007 (EDT))
******** Devil's advocate here. This woman didn't do any of the so-called healer tricks, no herbs, no medicines, no spiritual conjuring or praying. Nada. None of that. She did however, go through the same process in attempting to heal Maya, as Linderman did when healing Heidi. A evolved human power was blocked, because of the sound-effect used in other shows to show power-blocking. Telepathy wasn't blocked, it kept on working. What power was blocked then? Was she trying to teleport? No. Was she trying to fly? No. Was she trying to turn metal into puddles? No. She was attempting to heal Maya when the power-block effect was manifested. Telepathy was never blocked. A normal shaman healers tricks wouldn't have been blocked using that power-block special effect. Bottom line, is we can brush her off under the rug of being an unconfirmed nobody, but the episode said she was a healer, '''twice''', and she made no attempt to heal via conventional means; but did attempt to heal using the same evolved human technique that Linderman used, and was power-blocked from doing what she was attempting to do....heal Maya. She wasn't power-blocked from using telepathy. Had the show not used the power-block, then I would agree with you that there is no grounds to make a leap that she is an evolved human healer. But since she did use the evolved human power of [[Telepathy]] and it wasn't blocked, she is an evolved human in that right alone. No conventional means could have revealed those things to her like that. Since the of both the scene, and the power-block were in the context of her healing, that is the only thing the power-block could have been preventing. We shouldn't need tons and tons of episode appearances, and extremely tightly presented criteria to credit someone for being evolved. That one scene showed her being evolved on two different levels; and the lack of success of healing shouldn't prevent her documentation, no more than when the Haitian blocks Parkman or anyone else from not being evolved in regards to their powers. She should at the very least, be listed as an evolved human based on the telepathy she clearly showed, and noted as 'a suspected evolved human' in regards to the shows portrayal of her as a healer whose power(not telepathy) was blocked. JMO <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 10/2/2007 12:49 (EST)</small>
******** We don't know that a power was blocked. The reason you're associating it with a power being blocked is because it's the sound effect used when Matt Parkman reads a mind and no thoughts are spoken -- like when his power is blocked by the Haitian. But it's just as likely that she was simply reading Maya's thoughts and the producers chose not to let us hear those thoughts for stylistic purposes (like that it might ruin the story). The fact that she put her hands on Maya like Linderman does also doesn't necessarily mean anything because that's something she would do anyway in her everyday, real-world, non-superpowered occupation as a ''curandera''. I can squint all I want, but it doesn't mean I have [[space-time manipulation]]. She didn't actually heal anybody, so there's no way we can claim she has the power of healing--especially bearing in mind that "healing" is just the name ''we'' have assigned to this power, so there's no reason to presume there's any special significance to the coincidence that they translated "curandera" as "healer" and we have an article called "healing".--14:43, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
*The note on this page remains speculative by association. It would be like putting a note on [[rapid cell regeneration]] saying "Kaito fell 30 stories. Whether he survived or not remains unknown. Whether or not he has the power to regenerate is also unknown." Assuming the translated word for "healer" has anything to do with the power Linderman had is a neat stretch of imagination, but does not belong on this page. Doing so unnecessarily implicates the woman as having a power she may not have. Let's wait to see if this woman ever actually does anything other than state her profession before we write a manipulative note that leads people to question "what power, if any, the woman actually has". I'll remove the note now. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 07:03, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

All I'm saying is, it's speculative to assume that she has this ability, or that she even has one period. Also, what's "devil's advocate" mean?--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 21:38, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
* "[[Wikipedia:Devil's advocate|Devil's advocate]]" (a term which can be easily searched on Wikipedia and elsewhere) is a term used to describe a person who assumes an particular position in a discussion, just for the sake of the argument. Why are you resurrecting discussions that are almost two years old? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:21, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Peter?==
In ''[[Out of Time]]'', [[Future Angela]] refers to [[Peter]] as a "healer." While it's highly likely she was referring to his [[rapid cell regeneration]] (something she has witnessed), should it still be noted on this page, in the background/notes section, in order to prevent confusion? *cough*Or could Angela know something we don't?*cough* (It's likely that Peter met Linderman at some point).--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 20:38, 7 November 2007 (EST)
* I'm no expert on Heroes' fictional superpowers... but i think he would have needed to meet him after he had manifested his ability. And since we see him manifest it and during that time he hadn't met Linderman i don't think he had absorbed his power. Sure Peter could have met him in the past... but i dont know if he was able to absorb Linderman's healing.--[[User:.Vault|.Vault]] ([[User talk:.Vault|talk]]) 11:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)
**Right. It's certainly possible he met Linderman before (his parents were both friends with him), but we just don't know. Until he demonstrates the ability or we learn more about his relationship with Linderman, we can neither say he has absorbed the ability nor that he was exposed to it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 12:11, 24 November 2007 (EST)

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*In addition, in the first episode of Villians, "[[The Second Coming]]", Peter kissed Nathan in the forehead, and then he's alive again, the same way Ishi heals, she kisses them...--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 09:51, 13 December 2008 (EST)

<gallery>
Image:Peter kisses Nathan.jpg|Peter kisses Nathan...
Image:Nathan alive.jpg|...and he came back to life.
</gallery>
--{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 10:32, 13 December 2008 (EST)
* I think Ishi's demonstration was much more deliberate--as if to say to the viewer "I have an ability in which I can heal". I think Peter was just kissing his brother. Plus, it was said that the bullet just went right through (I'm paraphrasing) as if he healed himself. I wouldn't add it to the wiki because it's speculative and theoretical, but I believe that Adam's blood that Nathan received in ''[[Four Months Ago...]]'' had a residual effect on Nathan's body such that he was able to heal right away. Ultimately, I wish that Nathan's recovery would have been a little better explained. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:52, 13 December 2008 (EST)
** I agree, specially as we were ready to believe it was Linderman as long as we did'nt know it was just Maury who cannot heal, but was sent by Arthur...[[User:Juba]]
*** I think it was Future Peter using Linderman's ability: he was exposed to Linderman at least once around the time he demonstrated Precognitive Dreaming, he probably absorbed it then and instintivly used it to heal Nathan. He may not have known what he was doing, but I wish the writters would make it clear for us.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 00:13, 16 December 2008 (EST)
I thought Adam's blood healed him.[[User:50000JH/signature]]

== Healing to the Limit! ==

* I think Linderman can heal himself. I think that the first time we saw him on screen in season 1 where Nathan had a gun and Linderman was making pot pies, Linderman siad something like "Are you going to kill me? Many have tried." Or something like that, I haven't seen that Chapter in about a year. Anyway, I think because of that line he can heal himself. Also Ishi's ability can be known as "Healing Kisses", since thats all we saw. --[[User:Isaac Mendez|Isaac Mendez]] 13:46, 6 January 2009 (EST)
** He meant that no one managed it because of his moab connections, you're trying too hard. And healing kisses? If Linderman used his healing ability while beating the living hell out of someone would you call it "healing beating"? I think not. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:06, 6 January 2009 (EST)

Plus, Linderman only healed by touching with his hands, so are you going to call this ability "healing hand touch," or "healing fingers?" No. Why would we do that? Linderman and Ishi can heal people's injuries (And more, but that's not the point). Their abilities are identical, therefore, the same. And that ability was explicitly named in a canon source (Well, maybe not explicitly, but we got a name from it nonetheless.).--[[User:ERROR|ERROR]] 21:25, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

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== Telepathy ==

In [[Telepathy#Limits#Arthur Petrelli|Arthur's limits of this ability section]] it is said that he can erase memories. It goes on to say that according to Linderman, this leaves scars on the brain but can be countered by someone with regeneration or healing. To me this says that he can heal himself. Or is this not substantial enough info? --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:10, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
* Not enough information. We know he can heal others, but we simply don't know if he can heal himself. It's a great theory, but one that's unsubstantiated, and can be refuted by other equally valid theories. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 15:34, 16 October 2009 (EDT)

== Explicit canon name ==

We've been given a very explicit canon name for this ability in Jeremy's file: "healing touch". That goes right along with everything else we've ever heard about this ability--Nathan asks Linderman what he knows about healing, and Hiro calls his mother a healer. But the name of the ability is "healing touch". Awesome. Gotta love those assignment trackers! -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:54, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
*I agree 100%. Let's move it! {{User:Psilaq Remake/sig}} 21:56, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
**The only problem I can see is that this ability doesn't just heal, it can also kill.--[[User:Gibbeynator|Gibbeynator]] 22:26, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
***Are we really gonna starts [[Episode talk:Tabula Rasa#Jeremy's Ability|this conversation]] again here?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 22:29, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
****I disagree, I say that this ability is '''Healing''' and that Jeremy's power is more like '''Life-force manipulation'''. Linderman and Ishi only had the ability to heal, it isn't the same power. It would kind of be like calling '''Accelerated probability''' and '''Super speed''' the same ability because a person with one and a person with the other could both move fast. Mr. Bennett said that Jeremy could control life force, give it and take it away. It isn't healing, it may have only been when he was 13, but it is more than that now and it only proves that the assignment tracker is outdated and inaccurate to describe his ability. Also, on another note, this page should remain '''Healing''' because Linderman has demonstrated the ability to heal things (like the plant in the picture) without touching it. I say that a new power should be made for Jeremy that is '''Life-force manipulation''' and that this page should remain titled '''Healing'''. --[[User:Bender|Bender]] 23:08, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
*****I agree with Bender. I think the Company was mistaken when they were first evaluating Jeremy, and thus did not categorize his ability properly at the time. --[[User:Whizzles|Whizzles]] 23:13, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
****** We use the information given to us in the show. If it was called "healing touch" in the show, that's the name we call it, too. We explain differences, changes, mistakes, etc. in the body of the articles, not in the titles of the articles. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 02:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
****** I just find it ironic that the ability name got more literal, and yet we've seen things healed without being touched (Linderman, in the lead image for the article; pretty oxymoronic, don't you think?) --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 02:35, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
*******He touched it before that. Remember he rubbed the leaf. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 07:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
********I still want to discuss this, please see my reply at Tabula Rasa's talk page, link is in Catalyst's message, just above. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:51, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
********The usual scifi name for this power is called Biological Manipulation. In this case, Linderman doesn't even have to touch it. And if it's just Jeremy who just has healing touch pursay, meaning to give and take away life, well Lindermann and IShi don't have that so it's almost like majority rules in the case of Lindermann and Ishi. --[[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 20:31, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
*******We never actually got to see the limits of Linderman & Ishi's abilities, they could have had exactly the same thing -- {{User:Jenx222/sig}} 20:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
********If we start saying "we never got to see the extent of their abilities" than we might as well do that for every power. --[[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 16:09, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== touch of life ==

In season 1 Mr. Linderman tells Nathan. "You can pull the trigger and that we can both die," this could indicate that linderman could kill people as well as heal [[User:50000JH/signature]]
*And it does that how? [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 15:48, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
**I think he meant the fact that Nathan was in Linderman's casino where, if one little Japanese man decides to nick a sword 754 guards come running to get him, what would nathan be able to do? --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:50, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
*** I'm confused, what I'm trying to say is if Jeremy can kill people and Linderman saying that statement that his power can kill, he also said many people have tried killing me but failed. [[user:50000JH/signature]]
****More likely that [[Ability immunity|Rule of Ted]] doesn't apply to him and he's able to heal himself from gunshots. That and he was in the Vietnam war. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 16:06, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
***** While not explicit, Linderman clearly means that if Nathan shot him, his security guards, or maybe Linderman's own mobsters will kill Nathan, if not right then and there, later. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:08, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
****** At the time of watching it that Linderman ability could kill or was going to kill Nathan.[[user:50000JH/signature]]
******* Now that you completely changed your comment; Linderman wasn't even thought to be an evolved human when that happened. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:45, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
******** Seen it in a magazine that I bought and had all the people abilities as well as episdoe guides. Sound sad I know but linderman saying "we can both die." stuck out and wasn't in the magazine.
********* Like I said, "we can both die" is clearly a reference to his mob connections. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
Linderman had his ability for long time and wouldn't be surpise if he kill things as well as heal thing, why are people suggesting that only Jeremy is restricted to killing thing as well as healing.[[user:50000JH/signature]]
*No one suggested Jeremy can only kill, nothing indicates that Linderman could ever harm with his ability, you say the wildest things without a shread of evidence. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:28, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

==Chinese woman==

Since Noah mentioned her as having the same ability as Jeremy, I'll add her as an unconfirmed holder of this ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
*...I really need to check pages before doing stuff. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:53, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
** When did noah say there was a chinese woman with the same ability? [[User:Daevon|daevon]] 16:13, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*** When he and Peter find Jeremy's parents, Noah mentions her. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:14, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

==Kind of funny to think==
It would be possible to use healing to kill claire. -\(O-o)/-[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 22:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
*Actually I was just thinking about the same thing... would it be possible to kill Claire using this ability? --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 23:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
** Ha ha I think it would be great to get rid of her this way once and for all, if Peter kills her... {{User:Altes/Signature}}
*** lol, it seems you wanne kill alot of people eh :p -- ([[User:WaterRatj|WaterRatj]]) 03:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

== Jeremy ==
I thought it was made cleared that Jeremy doesn't have "healing touch". Instead, I thought Noah said he had the ability to take or restore life. How does taking life count as healing?--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 01:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* His ability is named on his assignment tracker, a canon source, so we stick onto it. {{User:Altes/Signature}}
**Noah said to Jeremy that he'd be sticking around until he was sure Jeremy was ok, so hopefully Jeremy will have some questions about his ability. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 06:33, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* I agree with OutbackZack, the company thought his ability was a healing touch because that's all they saw him do (ie heal dying flies). When Noah sees/smells the death in the house he explains that they had found a girl who could take life and give it. The AT based his ability as healing touch because that's all they saw him do before. It's old non updated info.. Btw I thought it was cool how they showed the assignment tracker during the episode :) --[[User:Peter|Peter]]
** Right or wrong, the name we've been given is "healing touch". That's the name we use. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:03, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
*** Even if the circumstances in which the name was given is flawed? Sounds like a flaw in our ability naming system. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 08:15, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
***Yes, if the system is flawed, then you fix it. That's what makes us different from computers. We can fix these flaws. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 10:46, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
****Thing is, it doesn't feel like other people want to fix it as well. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:54, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
****I hope Amanda shows up in the carnival next week and someone calls her ability pyrokinesis! That would make it ''canon'' and ruin our naming system!!! --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 11:07, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*We should rethink the naming convention and consider the fact that Jeremy's assignment tracker was outdated. There's gotta some sort of rule that whatever name was given to the ability can only describe that ability up to that point in time. Anything about the ability that changes would call for the possibility of renaming the ability. I don't know where we would go from here to possibly add such rule to the naming convention. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 17:31, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
* IMO Jeremy's ability should have its own page. His ability is too different to be a "healing touch" in the sense that he also has a "killing touch". "Healing" (touch or no) is an '''aspect''' of his ability; not the ability itself. The same, i think, is true for precognition and precognitive dreaming. P is an aspect of PD but they're different abilities (according to heroeswiki). How can we have two cases that are so similar with two opposite outcomes? --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 20:26, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
** Jeremy had the ability to heal. That ability evolved. This is common in the world of ''Heroes''--see [[ability development]]. The new aspects of the ability don't mean that the person has an entirely new ability, just that they can do some extra things with it. Matt and Maury still have the same ability, even though Matt could do more with it. We've been explicitly told by writers that [[Santiago]] and [[Edward]] had the same abilities, even though Edward could do incredibly different things with it than Santiago. Just because Samuel can do more with his ability than Sparrow does not mean they have different abilities. And the natural evolution of Jeremy's ability does not mean that it's different than Ishi's--it only means that Jeremy learned to do more with it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:06, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*** But the new aspect makes he name of the ability unfit, as per the naming convention. Matt and Maury do have the same ability, but they both started at the same point. Jeremy clearly started way ahead of Linderman and Ishi for him to have the same ability. If negative emotions (anger, fear, and the like) are the trigger for kill part of the ability, then why didn't Linderman kill anyone when he was in the army? Sparrow and Samuel still have the same trunk ability, but comparing Jeremy to Linderman and Ishi, he already started with a branch. Man I miss BTE. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:54, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
**** Perhaps an example from the world of physics can help? In physics, there's no such thing as deceleration... merely acceleration in the negative direction. 'S why you can achieve the same outcome (to some extent) by speeding up through a curve as you can by slowing down through one. Jeremy's ability to take life is just this- healing in the negative direction. Just because we never saw Ishi or Linderman kill with their power doesn't mean they couldn't, nor does it mean they didn't develop that ability at some point... it could go some way towards explaining why Linderman was so in control of his emotions. To use another example from the world of Heroes, we list Arnold and Hiro as having the same power of space-time manipulation. Arnold can use his ability to summon people from other points in time, and send them back without accompanying them... Hiro cannot. Does this mean Arnold and Hiro have different powers? Of course not. It merely means Arnold has more fully explored his ability than Hiro did. So, in summary: I think "healing touch" is a good description of the power- it's the way the ability first manifests, and the way most of the examples we've seen have used it. To me, the deaths Jeremy caused are another cautionary tale of uncontrolled abilities. [[User:Product Placement|Product Placement]] 16:29, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
***** Your argument doesn't work all the time though. 1) People with [[freezing]] (no matter how good they are at it) cant [[heating|heat]] things too. If I'm pissed off at someone and act '''cold''' to them, when I touch them they should freeze and when I'm happy and feel '''warm''' and fuzzy, when i touch people their skin should start to burn. But it doesn't. Emotions can't suddenly make your ability to the opposite things. 2) When Maya was happy people didnt just start to come back to life (after being previously dead), they stayed dead. Because her ability cant do that... Jeremy can kill people because his ability is different. It's "Jeremy's ability" not healing touch (because he can also kill!!). --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 19:02, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*****Are you responding to my comment? If so, I think you missed the general thrust of it. No, someone with freezing can't cause fires, but Tracy's ability grew from mere freezing to full control of water. Water freezes when its molecular energy reaches a certain point- thus, she is able to "calm" the molecules to a point where they freeze. Boiling would require the introduction of energy into the system, and would therefore require a source of said energy- and the energy required to heat every molecule of water in a human body by around 70 degrees C would be astronomical... where freezing only requires that she reduce absorb 30C of energy from each of the molecules. Enough to raise her temperature a few degrees in the short term, but maybe she just steams it off. The point I'm trying to make is that powers evolve. For Tracy, her ability to manipulate water allows her to freeze things, at first, but later became what it is now. In other words, her power is two sides of the same coin. It is the same with Jeremy. Life and death are simply two sides of the same coin- death is only the absence of life. I see your point about emotion, but you're missing the bigger one: strong emotions, such as anger and fear, can cause unexpected, uncontrolled, and sometimes disastrous ability activation. Tracy was scared and angry, and accidentally froze a reporter solid. Jeremy was angry, and accidentally killed his parents. And need I mention good old exploding Ted? [[User:Product Placement|Product Placement]] 19:55, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
******Nothing suggests Arnold can summon people from different times. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:14, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*******True, it is never explicitly stated on screen, but Tracy and Samuel disappear from Georgia in broad daylight, appear outside Baltimore in the night time, and return to Georgia not long after they left. It heavily hints to me that he can. Regardless, he can push people through time without having to travel with them, and Hiro could not. We've never seen him stop time either, but it's assumed that he can... [[User:Product Placement|Product Placement]] 01:53, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*******Product Placement, emotions directly affect abilities. Had Maya never cried she never would've used her ability and killed anyone. But that doesnt mean she didnt have the ability to. Its in your DNA. Jeremy's ability didn't suddenly change from healing to killing when he got mad. Its the same ability. But that ability isnt "Healing touch". Its "life force controlling" or something else. His ability lets him control people's life forces. Yes that included having a "healing touch" but being able to teleport doesnt mean you can also move through time if you were mad or scared or any emotion. --[[User:Peter|Peter]] 20:46, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
********It seems we're saying the same thing to different purposes. Emotion doesn't change the power, but it can cause it to activate and/or behave outside expectations. I don't necessarily think "healing touch" is the best name for it, but I'm making this argument for two reasons: 1) the conventions state that we're stuck with canon names, and it's this or "Life and Death"- as someone who has always loathed the name "Bliss and Horror", I'd rather not see that happen; 2) I don't think Ishi and Linderman's power was different in any way from Jeremy's. My personal take on the name is that it should be something akin to "Cell Manipulation"; "life force" isn't going to knit a shotgun wound closed, but accelerating the regeneration of someone's somatic cells will... similarly, causing all their cells go in to apoptosis would be quite an effective way of killing them. I do think it's a stretch to say if Maya had never cried, her power would never have activated... it's a bit like saying Emma's power would never have activated if she hadn't gone deaf. [[User:Product Placement|Product Placement]] 01:53, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

== Just had a look at the naming conventions: ==

[[Help:Naming conventions#Guidelines for names derived from Heroes sources|This section]] states:
*''When a possible name for an ability appears in a canon, near-canon, or secondary source, it is important to consider whether the name describes the ability itself or merely one or more of its effects or applications''
*''As a general rule, for a possible name to be considered the name of an ability, it should include at least all aspects of the ability which have been displayed; otherwise, it is considered to be the name of an aspect or effect of the ability.''

Healing touch describes an ''aspect'' of this ability. That's what the convention states, so is this name not wrong for an ability name? --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 15:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*Very good point mc. I don't think this is the best name. I still think Jeremy should be listed as having a different ability, but at the very least, the name needs to be changed. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 17:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
** If we don't use "healing touch," the only other option at this point would be "Jeremy's ability". All other names that I have seen so far have been speculative. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:47, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*** We could take a page from Matt Jr's ability and call this "healing and killing". For me anything like along the lines of "life manipulation" or "biological manipulation". I know someone else mentioned this, but what Jeremy does reminds me a lot of Shawn Farrel from ''The 4400''. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
****I agree. Any one of those names would be fine by me. If we came to a consensus we don't have to use the name "Jeremy's ability", and if we did, it would be more accurate either way.--[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 04:45, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
*****My only question: Would Jeremy have his own abillity page, or would Linderman and Ishi's ability names be changed again? Because I still think their abilities are different. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 10:20, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
***** I would be opposed to "healing and killing," and very much opposed to "life manipulation" and "biological manipulation". I don't think that's what Jeremy's power is. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 10:24, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
*****Didn't Bennet specifically say to him: "You can control life" or something close to that? Being able to control life definitly isn't the same as ''healing touch''. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 10:28, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
******sorry, he said "you can control ''it''" my bad. But I still think his ability is different.
******PS I think the initial statment can apply [[Talk:Freezing#Tracy issue|elsewhere]]. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 10:44, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

== Notes about tumor ==

On the notes section it's said that if a person with a tumor was injected with [[Regeneration|regerenative]] blood, it wouldn't heal the tumor, but instead make it grow faster. As it's not canon, I think it should be removed. [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 16:00, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
* Noah said that's what would happen, but it has nothing to do with healing touch. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:03, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
** In which episode did he say this? [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 16:05, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
*** ''[[Tabula Rasa]]'', the latest episode. Claire offered to give Hiro some of her blood, but Noah said that it wouldn't work. He said that Hiro's tumor is living tissue, so it would only make the tumor grow faster. However, I removed the line from this page because it really has nothing to do with Jeremy's ability (or Linderman's ability, which is what the note was talking about). -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 16:09, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
**** Ok, thanks. I haven't watched it yet. [[User:Mateussf|Mateussf]] 16:11, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

== Noah, why?! ==

Why'd you have to go and say "Dual ability: life and death"? D:--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 20:09, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
*It just means that the ability encompasses two different things. Sort of like how tracy can manipulate water and ice.
**It's what he stated that made it interesting. Not once, can I recall, that anyone has pointed out that a person can have a dual ability. It was always stated that everyone has only ONE ability unless your ability is to adsorb other abilities. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 21:33, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
***Well he still only has one ability. It's just merely stating that it's like having 2 in 1.
****Which is why I think his ability isn't healing touch as Noah tried to point out. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 23:15, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
*****I would much rather have "life and death" over "healing touch", and if life and death isn't the way, I'd still rather have it as "Jeremy's ability". [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 10:54, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
******I think "Life-force Manipulation" is more appropriate name if the name was going to be changed--[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 18:29, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*******Biological manipulation is my vote and first choice, and if that doesn't work out, my second vote is Life-force Manipulation.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 18:31, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
******** Whatever name we choose will come from the show, and will not be a descriptive name in this case. Noah never said that Jeremy has two abilities--he said that Jeremy has "dual ability", which I take to mean it's an ability that can do two things. (The Haitian is another person who, in my theory, has a dual ability--he can erase memories and block powers.) Anyway, Noah also said "life and death". I think that's a good name for the ability. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:13, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
*********Life and death kind of sounds like a recurring theme instead of an ability name. I mean watch this conversation, "So, what's your ability?" -- "My ability is life and death, what's yours?" Sounds a bit awkward.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 22:20, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
********** I agree, it's not smooth...but it's the only choice other than "healing touch". It comes down to those two names: "healing touch" or "life and death". I don't care one way or the other. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:54, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
***********Well of those are the only options, my vote is to stay where we are.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 22:56, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
************I think Noah just said "Life and Death" to describe Jeremy's ability, not as the ability name itself. But I think we can't do anything about it if they named it "Life and Death".--[[User:Darkfiremaster13|Darkfiremaster13]] 05:18, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*************Uuuum, perhaps his ability simply evolved? This has been said before but, like [[Tracy]], Jeremy had one original ability, Healing. As he grew older, this ability evolved and also allowed him to decrease the health of living things. So, his ability is still Healing, he just has an advanced form of it. Remember Santiago and Edward? They could do different things with their powers but it is still Accelerated Probability. Even though Noah said "Dual ability" or "life and death", it is just describing his actual ability: advanced healing touch. {{user:joshuakorolenko/Sig}}
**************Noah already confirmed that abilities '''do evolve''' when he stated that the ''woman from China'' managed to evolve her [[Healing touch|healing]] ability to '''total life control'''. To end the discussion, my suggestion is to create a page for abilities that have evolved. And simply insert in the character infoboxes about these abilities, similarly to what we've done for synthetic abilities. Here's a page ([[User:NiveKJ13/Ability Evolution]]) that I have created and everyone is free to contribute until it would be enough for Wikipedia standards. --{{User:NiveKJ13/sig1}} 10:10, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
***************I rather have "life and death" over listing him as having an ability he doesn't possess. We have "bliss and horror" and "activation and deactivation" already, we're not breaking new grounds here. And Noah said that the woman manifested an ability that they considered to he healing, but that wasn't all it could do. There was no indication of a time skip in which she her power evolved. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 11:37, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
****************But it sound right with activation and deactivation because of the '''''tion'''''. It makes it sound like something you can do. Manipula'''''tion'''''; something you can do. You can't do life and death. And I have never been fond to the name bliss and horror.--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 11:41, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*****************Both of these names sound either wrong, or clunky. Healing touch sounds wrong because he can kill with his power, and don't even get me started on Life and Death! Out of these though, I'd rather have Healing Touch, with an infobox detailing how Jeremy's power evolved. But, I REALLY like Life-Force Manipulation. To bad nobody in an episode has said it yet! :-(--[[User:Hiroman|Hiroman]] 13:14, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
******************I would also rather see Jeremy as the only person having this ability. Keeping Ishi and Daniel with him after a rename would imply they also are capable of killing, something which was never suggested. Take Linderman, he was in the war, certainly had a fair share of negative emotions, yet he never killed with his ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 12:42, 28 October 2009
*******************I agree! Perhaps we should create a new page for Jeremy's ability and leave Linderman's and Ishi's as it is.What does everybody else think?--[[User:Hiroman|Hiroman]] 13:18, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*Jeremy's power was defined quite clearly as originally being able to heal people. The same way Linderman and Ishi did it. Then it evolved. They are the same power, in the way that Sylar and Tracy's freezing powers are the same power. --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 13:47, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
**I vote to stay the same. No reason to change the name that was explicitly given to us. [[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 19:52, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
***I agree, keep it the same as it is, no need to change --<span style="font-size: 80%; background-color: #00CC00; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 2px solid #003300;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:1px;"><font color=#000000><font color=#000000>'''Jenx222'''</font> &middot; [[User:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''U'''</font>]] &middot; [[User talk:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''T'''</font>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''C'''</font>]]</font></span> 19:55, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
****Keeping things like they are means saying that Linderman and Ishi could kill with their abilities, which they couldn't. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 19:57, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*****No I mean the name, just keep it as healing touch, but expand on Jeremy's version of the ability saying that it's adapted or progressed to the point where he can reverse the affects. Maybe the others could do it as well, but I doubt we'll ever find out --<span style="font-size: 80%; background-color: #00CC00; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 2px solid #003300;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:1px;"><font color=#000000><font color=#000000>'''Jenx222'''</font> &middot; [[User:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''U'''</font>]] &middot; [[User talk:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''T'''</font>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''C'''</font>]]</font></span> 20:03, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
******According to our ability naming convention, an ability name must be able to include all of the effects of the ability. Healing touch covers only one aspect of the ability. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 20:04, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*******But that name came from a cannon source, so maybe we should split linderman and ishi's healing touch from jeremy's ability, maybe the company mis-diagnosed his ability when his assignment tracker was completed --<span style="font-size: 80%; background-color: #00CC00; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 2px solid #003300;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:1px;"><font color=#000000><font color=#000000>'''Jenx222'''</font> &middot; [[User:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''U'''</font>]] &middot; [[User talk:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''T'''</font>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''C'''</font>]]</font></span> 20:13, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*To say that Linderman and Ishi have the same ability as Jeremy is speculation at best. That's like saying Hiro and Rachel have the same ability. If, and I vote for this, change Jeremy's ability name to something like "life and death" then it's a separate ability from both Linderman and Ishi. Just because they share the same aspects doesn't mean they share the same ability. --[[User:OutbackZack|OutbackZack]] 20:28, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
**What should we do with linderman and ishi's abilities then? keep them as healing touch or change them back to just healing? --<span style="font-size: 80%; background-color: #00CC00; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 2px solid #003300;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:1px;"><font color=#000000><font color=#000000>'''Jenx222'''</font> &middot; [[User:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''U'''</font>]] &middot; [[User talk:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''T'''</font>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''C'''</font>]]</font></span> 20:37, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
***I say leve them as just Healing, that was fine before, and nobody ever ''stated'' that touch was neccessary to heal. But Jeremy should definitely be split; these abilities would go under [[Ability homology]], there is no evidence they have the same power... that is like saying Hiro and Rachel have the same power, but Rachel's hasn't evolved as far as Hiro's has... it is too speculative. --[[User:Skullman1392|Skullman1392]] 20:57, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
****I actually never thought of that Skullman. That is very true. They should be split into two abilities, "Healing", and I think "Jeremy's ability" ("Jeremy's ability" for now).--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 21:27, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
*****I agree, let's split them and change healing touch back to healing --<span style="font-size: 80%; background-color: #00CC00; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 2px solid #003300;padding: 2px; -moz-border-radius:1px;"><font color=#000000><font color=#000000>'''Jenx222'''</font> &middot; [[User:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''U'''</font>]] &middot; [[User talk:Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''T'''</font>]] &middot; [[Special:Contributions/Jenx222|<font color=#000000>'''C'''</font>]]</font></span> 21:30, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

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Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
Episodes
2. Near-canon Sources Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine healing touch's name.
Source/Explanation
"Healing touch" is listed explicitly on Jeremy Greer's Assignment Tracker 2.0 profile (Tabula Rasa).
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Jan 2010-Feb 2010

development ability of healing

To me this ability is the same as healing but a step up, none of these abilities have brought people back to life once they are fully dead: I know this sounds daft how can somebody not be fully dead but you can bring people back by shocking their hearts by using electric pads; Peter was being drained and Ishi was dying but we don't know if this was to do with ability or her own health but Linderman didn't have no negative effects on him, as they both seem to have this in common.--50000JH 09:21, 24 February 2010 (EST)

  • Not to start up an old debate, on a different board, but I don't see why healing touch is seperate from Linderman's ability. It requires basically the same method to use and accomplishes the same thing. Do we know that Linderman's ability doesn't work like Jeremy's, such as his mood affects the ability and could kill instead of heal? Didn't Linderman touch everthing he healed? It's the same thing, Jeremy just couldn't use it as well as Linderman.--Inblackestnight 17:04, 2 June 2010
    • The issue is that we don't know if Linderman can kill like Jeremy can. Unless we somehow get confirmation that Linderman could kill as well, they remain seperate abilities.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 18:04, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
      • I don't argue that we don't know if Linderman can or can't do that, just that it is a very minor thing to list them as two seperate abilities when a simple note about the known difference in Jeremy's case would suffice. Not that this makes a huge difference to me but this is almost like listing Meredith and her brother's pyrokinesis seperately because his flame is blue, or making all of the Parkmans' abilities seperate, since all what they can do is not just telepathy.--Inblackestnight 22:22, 2 June 2010
        • SIGNATURE. *Ahem* Whether it's a big difference or not is irrelevant, we don't know if they're the same ability and there are enough inconsistencies to label them as different abilities. Both Meredith and Flint were confirmed to have pyrokinesis, and unless I'm mistaken it's the same case with Maury and Matt.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 22:33, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
          • Also, the color difference in pyrokinesis and the variety of things that can be done with telepathy are logical and were properly explained. Even precognition through telepathy was explained. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 23:21, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
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