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Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small> |
Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. <small>--([[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer-talk]] 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))</small> |
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* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST) |
* That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST) |
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**I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it [[Talk:Back to the Future|here]].) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — [[User:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>RyanGibsonStewart</font>]] ([[User talk:Ryangibsonstewart|<font color=#0147FA>talk</font>]]) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST) |
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Actual References
The article says: "Hiro often makes references to super-heroes or comic books, some of them from DC Comics." Can we be more specific with this? What references does he make? To which superheroes and which comic books? Otherwise, let's take this line out. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:56, 31 December 2006 (EST)
Great Scott
Why is the more recent reference to 'Great Scott' from Back to the Future lore (1980s) being cited, yet the origination of the phrase (the Superman Radio Show from the 1940s) was removed? Even recognizing Christopher Lloyd saying 'Great Scott', he himself was quoting Superman to begin with. I think we should also allow the original Superman source to be cited as well. The phrase wouldn't exist for Christopher Lloyd to have used in Back To the Future, if it wasn't created and popularized in the 1940s by Superman. --(HiroDynoSlayer-talk 17:06, 11 February 2007 (EST))
- That's true, and it's probably worth noting that the scene is an homage to BTF which is itself a possible homage to Superman. However, the phrase dates back much further than the Superman comics -- it's a common nineteenth century expression. The Back to the Future reference is reference not because of the phrase itself, which could be from anywhere, but because of the similarity between the two scenes. Just because someone uses the same idiom as a character in another work, that alone doesn't make it a reference, particularly when the phrase isn't exclusively associated with the other character. "Up, up, and away" is unmistakably a reference to Superman. "Great Scott" is much less unmistakably so, just as "By Jove!" wouldn't necessarily be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, absent any additional parallels.--Hardvice (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2007 (EST)
- I agree completely. (There's a discussion about it here.) I do think it's a pretty clear BTTF reference, but I'll put a note on that page just to cover all bases. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:56, 11 February 2007 (EST)