Talk:Bliss and horror

The name used is the one given a few times in It Takes a Village, Part 1. It can be changed if/when we find out more details about the power. As with any new power page, I tried to keep all speculation off, of course, and stick to what can be observed. If there's any speculation, it can be removed and/or discussed here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

• Um, if the description is "the ability to manipulate moods of others", why didn't you go for mood manipulation? --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 21:24, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
  • I guess I was just throwing something in there. Like I said, feel free to change something that needs to be changed. I'll go ahead and fix it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Lets just wait for the end of the hatians story maybe they will give us the correct name if nor I would like to suggest emotion control for a name--Addude 22:37, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
      • I vote we put a more realistic name for the power until more details become available. It's obvious that "Bliss and Horror" won't be the permanent name for it, so we might as well ditch it now. Emotional Manipulation is a better placeholder until more details become available.--Piemanmoo 23:21, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't know if it's obvious that the name won't stay. Hopefully the next two GNs will enlighten us a little more. However, if they don't, then we're stuck with what we know, which is not much. In any case, I'm not sure it's emotions that Guillame manipulates. Possible, but not sure. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:35, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
          • Personally, I highly doubt that he manipulates emotions. Nausea and vomiting are purely physical sensations. One of the Tonton Macoutes also seems to be grimacing in pain. If he manipulated emotions and used that ability to "attack" someone, I would expect the victim to become depressed or (more useful in that situation) extremely fearful. He seems to be able to make the villagers euphoric, but he might be doing that without manipulating the emotions directly. For instance, he might be able to make people relaxed and/or energetic. Conduit 00:36, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
            • Is it at all posible that he has the same power as his son, mental manipulation. I mean, it makes sense. He would project mentally the feelings of "bliss and horror" into others minds. And with the guy that puked his guts, thats another example I have. Project the feeling of nausea into his mind and eventually he will feel that way. Anyone get what I'm saying?--The Empath 20:56, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
              • The similarities in their powers seem to be that they both somehow affect the mind. However, the Haitian blocks the powers of others and erases memories. Guillame hasn't shown that he can do that--instead he makes people feel great or feel like crap. The Haitian has never shown that he can do that. Well, at least not directly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
                • "Mind manipulation", perhaps? It's a different name than "mental manipulation". The mind would then relate to all the emotions, feelings, etc. people have, rather than their memories and what they can do. --DocM 08:43, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
                  • Yes, but "mind manipulation" sure sounds a lot like "mental manipulation" (and really means just about the same thing), and I wouldn't want to name the power anything that would be potentially confusing. Besides, are we sure it's the people's minds he's manipulating? It's a pretty good bet, but we're still just not quite sure yet. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
                    • I'd take anything over "Bliss and Horror" right now. It's destroying my online OCD. What about "Health Manipulation"? It's mainly mental health, but health nonetheless.
                      -- GuitarHiro 13:37, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

My impression is that he affects the pain and pleasure centers of the brain. I'm not sure what you'd call that, though. "Pain/Pleasure Induction" violates my aesthetic rules. --Ted C 16:21, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

• I'd like to see that rule book. :) Yeah, I think you're on the right track, Ted. I have a feeling it'll be something like "mood manipulation" when we're done with all four GNs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Thing is, I don't think the power affects mood, at least not directly. I don't think he's making people feel happy or sad: I think he's making them feel physically sick ("horror") or like they're having a continouous orgasm ("bliss"). Moods swings will probably follow, but they're indirect effects --Ted C 17:59, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Good point, and exactly the reason we probably shouldn't come up with any name right now--you know, that whole avoiding speculation thing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:58, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
  • I still think it could be hormone manipulation, but I'm starting to think he'd have to both cause a lady to grow a mustache and help a mom to breast feed in order to convince anyone else of that. LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2007 (EDT)