Talk:Dr. Witherson

Dr. Withers

We're waiting for closed caption confirmation that her name is "Witherson". All of the pre-episode publicity called her "Withers", and it kind of sounds like she says "Dr. WithersandI'm a psychiatrist" instead of "Dr. Witherson. I'm a psychiatrist". Also, there are several other pages which would need to be updated, starting with the portals. If and when we change her, we'll need to move the page first, then update the links and text.--Hardvice (talk) 00:59, 1 February 2007 (EST)

• The psychiatrist's name is actually Dr. Witherson, not Dr. Withers. If you listen when she says her name, you almost miss it, but you can hear her say "son" at the end of her name. If you check NBC's "Heroes" page, you'll also see that her name appears there as "Witherson".
• Actually, I'm pretty sure she says is "My name is Dr. WithersandI'm a psychiatrist". The lack of a pause makes it sound like "Witherson". As for the NBC.com caption ... well, they said D.L. was the Haitian in a caption for Hiros, so it's safe to assume they're usually smoking crack. But if anybody has access to closed captioning, we can double check.--Hardvice (talk) 02:47, 31 January 2007 (EST)
  • Although now that I can relisten to it with headphones, it does sound kind of like "Witherson". Hmmm.--Hardvice (talk) 03:17, 31 January 2007 (EST)
    • That's a tough call. Relistening to the episode (thanks Hardvice!), it's hard to tell. Anybody have closed captioning? There was a spoiler that called her Dr. Withers, too. Where did that come from? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:05, 31 January 2007 (EST)
      • The character was referred to as Dr. Withers in trailers and spoilers. As far as the NBC thing goes: haha, yeah that definitely puts some question to their ability to get the cast names right, however that was a mislabeled picture-- as far as character names go, they haven't gotten those wrong yet (e.g., calling Claire "Bennett" instead of "Bennet". On the NBC site in one of the picture galleries it says "Niki decides to work with Dr. Witherson to help assure a future between her and her son. Dr. Witherson asks to speak with Jessica. When Niki refuses, the doctor threatens that she won't see Micah for a long time if she doesn't cooperate." (nbc.com) My guess is that they had the name "Withers" chosen for the doctor earlier, but decided on "Witherson" during filming, which really isn't too uncommon a thing! - Vangogh414 (talk) 09:10, 31 January 2007 (EST)
        • They have a link up right now to an interview with Ali Larter talking about her character -- "Nikki". Oh, NBC...--Hardvice (talk) 12:29, 31 January 2007 (EST)
          • I'm definitely ready to start NBC's goofs. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:35, 31 January 2007 (EST)
    • I listened to it again and I'm pretty sure she says "Dr. Witherson." I also checked my the initial version of the synopsis I added here and I had Witherson there, too, so I heard Witherson both times. On the other hand I see plenty of references to Dr. Withers in other places and don't see references to Dr. Witherson. Hmm. (Admin 09:22, 31 January 2007 (EST))
      • So maybe it should say "Dr. Withers/Witherson" . . . everybody wins! Hooray-- we ALL get to be the hero of the hour! :D -Vangogh414 (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2007 (EST)
        • Or we could just wait and see what the transcript from the closed captioning says.--Hardvice (talk) 16:37, 3 February 2007 (EST)
          • Hving spent many years studying TV-series in detail, I have learned that the people doing close3d captioning do it by listening to what is said, not by reading a script. So they have no better info than we do. So unless you get an interview with someone responsible detailing hner name, it ain't canon. -- Cuardin 12:40, 4 February 2007 (EST)
          • Hopefully tomorrow's episode will include her and her name will be repeated, if not included on the credits. (Admin 12:45, 4 February 2007 (EST))
            • Yeah, rewatching the episode, I had a sinking feeling over and over that it's going to be Witherson. Tons of fixes, eh? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2007 (EST)
              • Not too many, actually. I switched it over because the transcript is up and lists her as "Witherson". If she says "Withers" tonight, we can always switch it back. But it's only about a dozen pages.--Hardvice (talk) 15:38, 5 February 2007 (EST)
                • Yeah, I saw your edits (drat!) I think I just felt like it was more because everytime I would type "Withers", I thought great, I'm going to have to change this soon... — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:04, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Dead or alive?

• I just changed the article to say Jessica "attacked" Dr. Witherson rather than "killed" her. She looked like she was in terrible shape and I would have assumed she was dead, but I'm pretty sure I saw her move the time Niki got a good look at her. Any confirmation whether she's dead or alive... or did others see her move as well, or is it just me? :) (Admin 00:27, 6 February 2007 (EST))
  • I agree that she's still alive, although she could very easily be dead soon. --Fcphantom 00:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • Oh, I guess I just assumed. Yeah, that's fine, we can leave it as attacks. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:33, 6 February 2007 (EST)
      • I'm thinking not even Linderman could get her out of jail if she murdered somebody while in prison. Although the fact that he could get her out when she near-murdered her is still impressive...--Hardvice (talk) 01:54, 6 February 2007 (EST)
        • I'm sure it'll be revealed that Linderman has the power to make others suspend belief. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:00, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • Interestingly, in the commentary, Milo V. and Zachary Quinto can't tell if she's dead or not either.--Hardvice (talk) 06:29, 6 February 2007 (EST)
    • She's either alive... or the body was a prop that someone managed to kick and cause to move. heh. I could swear when she moves that I can see her mouth move as well... as she's mumbling incoherently. (Admin 06:34, 6 February 2007 (EST))
      • Didn't she moan a bit as well? I definately thought I heard something. -- Cuardin 01:31, 8 February 2007 (EST)
        • I thought I heard her moan or mumble originally, too, but upon watching it over and over I believe it was just a vocal component to the music playing during the scene. Though I can't be 100% sure. (Admin 01:52, 8 February 2007 (EST))

Beaten, Struck, or only Tazered

In the episode the only hard cannon evidence I can see is the doc is unconscious (if she was dead Niki would still be locked up for that murder) and convulsing from multiple repeated tazer shocks (a single one shouldn't have burned the clothing like that). We can see no other signs of injury and have not seen what Jessica had done.

Also the term "beaten" infers a prolonged beating of a person, although it can also be the past tense for being hit in a fight. This slight ambiguity is why I split the two extremes and put possibly beaten. She was likely hit, but if Jessica wanted to beat the doc, there was no reason with her superhuman(?) strength to shock her to make her unconscious.Especially if she did it for the theory I posted that she just did it to use the cell phone to call Mr. Linderman to make a deal.--WolvenSpectre 18:16, 11 February 2007 (EST)

• I agree that there's little evidence to say anything other than "tazered".--Hardvice (talk) 18:52, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • Did you see her hand, twisted and broken? You're right, I guess she could have fallen on it, but that's not Jessica's m.o.. I don't mind taking out "beaten" since there is no hard evidence ... I can't wait (or I hope) to see the state she's in tomorrow night. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:08, 11 February 2007 (EST)
  • broken hand... I don't remember that. Great now I have to reload that damn Distractions file again. Oh woe is me I have to watch Heroes again for whatever shall I do ;) .--WolvenSpectre 19:13, 11 February 2007 (EST)