User:ZachsMind/RiftHiro

Update: February 19th, 2007

"I didn't recognize you without your scar."

That was a tipoff. It means the Peter that Future Hiro knew, never got the power to regenerate. He never went to Odessa to save Claire. Claire died in the reality that Future Hiro knew. Sylar got her power to regenerate, and a lot of bad stuff went down. The Hiro we know from the future, no longer exists. Or rather, if he does, it's cuz he DID cause a rift, and can't get back home, cuz that home's no longer there. The present Hiro we know, never becomes that Hiro.

A Couple Weeks Before

I keep finding myself coming back to the Future Hiro scene with Peter, and asking myself why. If one tries to fathom the temporal mechanics of it, there seems to be no practical reason why five years from now, Hiro would have this need to go back in time and convince Peter to go to Odessa Texas when the present him is in Midland Texas. Now, Doctor Who has something called Blinovitch Limitation Effect which I think is bogus temporal physics anyway, and there's no indication this series is going to hold true to that. Hiro coulda gone back in time and told himself to forget about Charlie she's dead anyway - focus on the cheerleader. However, he went to Peter instead.

Let's say Future Hiro is from a timeline in which Peter didn't go to Odessa cuz he had no reason to know to do that aside from Future Hiro telling him, and Claire died at the hands of Sylar in that alternate timeline cuz no one was there to stop him, and so the Hiro who visited Peter was from that alternate timeline. He goes back, and tells Peter to leave New York and go to Texas. Save the cheerleader save the world. Be the one we need - as if he wasn't the one they needed. All that. Hiro from that timeline met Peter, they compared notes, and that Hiro determined that if he goes back in time and tells Peter to stop Sylar, it'll change Hiro's past, present, and future for the better. So now, where does Future Hiro go? His own future? That future no longer exists. He just changed it. He's now got no home to go back to.

That's what causes paradoxes. That's what makes rifts occur.

The present Hiro exists in a reality in which Peter does go to Odessa, does save the cheerleader, and becomes the one they need (presumably). Five years from now, when present Hiro becomes Future Hiro, he has absolutely no motive to go back in time and convince Peter to save Claire, because another him already did that. He's not that Future Hiro. He's a completely different guy now, with completely different life experiences.

The Peter that Future Hiro recalled, was a Peter with a scar on his face. That scar might yet still happen, or Future Hiro may have changed events so dramatically, as to cause Peter to never have that scar. Our present Hiro is going after the sword that we know Future Hiro eventually aquired. However, we don't know if present Hiro will grow a soul patch, or get a cape. He presume he will just as we presume he'll get the sword in five years, but because events have changed so dramatically, the dominoes may fall in a completely different pattern, and a lot of things that Future Hiro took for granted will not be there when he goes back to his own time, if in fact he even can.

The only way that Future Hiro can go back to his own timeline, would be to go back in time to one second BEFORE he encountered Peter. Then he would have to immediately go forward to precisely the second he left his own present. Perhaps in five years he'll get that good, but I doubt he'll ever learn to be quite that precise. Something tells me the Future Hiro we met at the beginning of the series is now kinda stuck. It's inevitable he'll show up again, perhaps as a villain now, cuz he's going to have to undo what he did in vain hope to get back home.

-- ZachsMind 19:54, 9 February 2007 (EST)

• My only thought on this is that if you watch him trying to get Charlie to not come to work that day, the mechanics of his ability did not allow for it to happen (it sent him to present day). So, to me, it appears that if it weren't allowed under the mechanics of his powers, then he wouldn't have been able to come. Since it did allow his trip to talk to Peter, it would seem to me that in the future, Hiro will have to remember to go visit Peter 5yrs in the past to warn him (which you think "Why? It already happened?". It happened only because Hiro visited him from the future). If this were the case, there needs to be some initial timeline where Hiro needs to have a crappy life, and decided to risk a rift in order to save the future (a true hero) at the expense of his "current" self. In turn, the future is changed, and all that remains is that Hiro go into the past to visit Peter and warn him. Sounds corny, but such time-traveling films as Back to the Future and Bill and Ted show them repeating an event to ensure that the same past occurs, so their present will remain the same. Hope that helped. -Bob