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The time-stopping.
I'd keep that in there and move the "may or may not have" section. It makes sense to keep at least one occurance of each power in that list, and put the powers used more than once (invisibility, telekinesis) on the examples page. --Riddler 00:41, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- I went back and forth on that example. Because there was so much talk about it, I figured I'd take it out of the main page. It doesn't really matter one way or the other though, since it's on the examples of empathic mimicry page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:45, 2 March 2007 (EST)
- I am still on the side that he did not stop time ---- And I think that the episode "Parasite" proves it. Sylar used TK to stop the bullet in midair --- much like Peter used TK to stop the tazers. I am now completely confident that I am right. I was a little iffy about it and was more like "Well there is not enough evidence to prove either way" and was hoping that it would be moved to unconfirmed. However, now I think people should totally not convey that it was STM until there is more proof that Peter can use STM. But I know that that will never happen on this board.Guy 09:30, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- All I can say is listen to the audio when Peter is shot with the tazer. It's the biggest giveaway that he stopped time to do it. Just because two powers can be uses to stop a bullet doesn't mean they're the same power. (Admin 09:35, 7 March 2007 (EST))
- Okay so that is one point of evidence to four or five counter evidence that Peter used TK. If Hiro stopped time, that means that Peter could not absorb his ability, because it takes TIME to absorb an ability. He is normally in the vicinity for at least a few moments usually minutes. If there was not just a short amount of time, but NO TIME then he could not absorb that ability. Claude is moving during the scene. If he would have stopped time that does not explain why it just dropped to the ground. Sylar, who to this point has never produced anything similar to STM, completed the same feat with TK. At no other time, does Peter show that he can use STM (other than this mentioned here). Hiro has the ability to move and manipulate things during STM and can STM with objects and other people making it completely simple to "awaken" peter during the time stop scene (especially after many 'unconfirmed' years of study and discipline to hone a skill) I am convinced that Peter not only didn't use STM, but CAN'T use STM till he meets Hiro in person, which I discern, is the significance of him only meeting Ando in Texas.
- Nobody on this board has denied that Peter used TK with the Taser darts. The point of contention is not whether he used TK, it's whether he used STM. Evidence in favor of the former does not count as evidence against the latter. Since there is solid give-away evidence that he did use STM, and there has been no good evidence presented that he did not, it should stand as probable that he did.--E rowe 11:28, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Also, as to there being other evidence that Peter can use STM, we already have it. He used it when he met Future Hiro.--E rowe 11:30, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- It should also be noted that Peter spent a few minutes (from his point of view) talking with Future Hiro, so he definitely had the opportunity to absorb the power. --Ted C 11:33, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Since I'm not sure if these boards have really laid out the evidence that Peter absorbed STM when he met Future Hiro, I'll do that now. The scene begins with a shot panning around the people in the subway car frozen in time before it zooms back to show the back of Future Hiro walking alone. The audience can then see both Mohindar and Peter standing frozen in time at the end of the car. When Hiro gets close Peter unfreezes because of having absorbed Hiro's power when he came in range. Peter turns around and Hiro takes a second before recognizing him. Although it is now apparent that Hiro can extend the use of his power to include others, and Future Hiro is presumably more skilled with is power than we have seen with present Hiro, the order of events in the subway indicate that Peter was not brought into the time freeze by Hiro, but he entered it himself before Hiro recognized him.--E rowe 11:57, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- The idea that Peter used space-time manipulation is pretty clear to me. However, since there have such ardent dissenters, we have tried to make it quite vague. It's listed on the examples page as an absorbed power. On this page, it's listed under the limits as a reproduced power, but the only example is listed as a "possible example". It's also listed on Peter's page. In the end, we have to mention it, since so many believe it's quite clear. However, we must also recognize those that strongly believe otherwise. Because it's a somewhat gray area, I think we have done a nice job of straddling the line to appease both camps. Calling it a "possible example" allows for doubt, and mentioning Future Hiro lends support. I think our wording has handled the situation as best as possible. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- The wording is "Peter slowed and then stopped time when attacked with taser darts" and doesn't appear to leave ANY room for doubt. rewording it to something like "Peter possibly slowed and then stopped time when attacked with taser darts" and make some mention of the possibility of it being TK.--Joedu 15:34, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
- The idea that Peter used space-time manipulation is pretty clear to me. However, since there have such ardent dissenters, we have tried to make it quite vague. It's listed on the examples page as an absorbed power. On this page, it's listed under the limits as a reproduced power, but the only example is listed as a "possible example". It's also listed on Peter's page. In the end, we have to mention it, since so many believe it's quite clear. However, we must also recognize those that strongly believe otherwise. Because it's a somewhat gray area, I think we have done a nice job of straddling the line to appease both camps. Calling it a "possible example" allows for doubt, and mentioning Future Hiro lends support. I think our wording has handled the situation as best as possible. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Since I'm not sure if these boards have really laid out the evidence that Peter absorbed STM when he met Future Hiro, I'll do that now. The scene begins with a shot panning around the people in the subway car frozen in time before it zooms back to show the back of Future Hiro walking alone. The audience can then see both Mohindar and Peter standing frozen in time at the end of the car. When Hiro gets close Peter unfreezes because of having absorbed Hiro's power when he came in range. Peter turns around and Hiro takes a second before recognizing him. Although it is now apparent that Hiro can extend the use of his power to include others, and Future Hiro is presumably more skilled with is power than we have seen with present Hiro, the order of events in the subway indicate that Peter was not brought into the time freeze by Hiro, but he entered it himself before Hiro recognized him.--E rowe 11:57, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Okay so that is one point of evidence to four or five counter evidence that Peter used TK. If Hiro stopped time, that means that Peter could not absorb his ability, because it takes TIME to absorb an ability. He is normally in the vicinity for at least a few moments usually minutes. If there was not just a short amount of time, but NO TIME then he could not absorb that ability. Claude is moving during the scene. If he would have stopped time that does not explain why it just dropped to the ground. Sylar, who to this point has never produced anything similar to STM, completed the same feat with TK. At no other time, does Peter show that he can use STM (other than this mentioned here). Hiro has the ability to move and manipulate things during STM and can STM with objects and other people making it completely simple to "awaken" peter during the time stop scene (especially after many 'unconfirmed' years of study and discipline to hone a skill) I am convinced that Peter not only didn't use STM, but CAN'T use STM till he meets Hiro in person, which I discern, is the significance of him only meeting Ando in Texas.
- All I can say is listen to the audio when Peter is shot with the tazer. It's the biggest giveaway that he stopped time to do it. Just because two powers can be uses to stop a bullet doesn't mean they're the same power. (Admin 09:35, 7 March 2007 (EST))
- I am still on the side that he did not stop time ---- And I think that the episode "Parasite" proves it. Sylar used TK to stop the bullet in midair --- much like Peter used TK to stop the tazers. I am now completely confident that I am right. I was a little iffy about it and was more like "Well there is not enough evidence to prove either way" and was hoping that it would be moved to unconfirmed. However, now I think people should totally not convey that it was STM until there is more proof that Peter can use STM. But I know that that will never happen on this board.Guy 09:30, 7 March 2007 (EST)
- Not that NBC has the best track record when it comes to accuracy, but I'll mention for posterity that on the Heroes site one of their pictures from the episode is explained as "While Claude and Peter discuss evolution on the rooftop, a dart hits Claude in the neck – the Haitian and Mr. Bennet have come calling. Peter stops the dart meant for him by freezing time. He then throws Claude off the rooftop and flies to the rescue in order to make their escape." (Admin 00:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT))
Two things on the time stopping
How could it be TK with the sound effects? Also if you look, there is no blinking electrical light from the Haitian's tazer. There is on Bennet's before contact with Claude. Claude is also moving very slowly, definitely not spasming as quickly as he would with voltage moving through his body.
In response to 'Peter didn't have enough contact with Future Hiro to absorb his power', he had just about as much contact time as he did with Claire prior to healing, and he still was able to use it. OUChevelleSS 17:23, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
(Sorry I'm new, feel free to move this into the other thread where I intended, unless I figure it out first).
Multi-power Use
I'm having an issue with the whole "invisibility and TK" at the same time claim. As I said, you can't conclusively say that someone who is invisible is using telekinesis, unless he's partially visible while the cup is moving toward him. Is there an image from the episode that would settle this question? --Ted C 16:24, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Here ya go.--Ice Vision 16:31, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- OK, I can work with that. I'm wondering if we should use it in the article. --Ted C 16:34, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- I've fiddled with working it into the page. It won't work as a thumb. Is this acceptable? Any other options? --Ted C 16:41, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- An animation only works when it's at full size. It looks fine on the page. I've also put the same image into the galleries of examples of empathic mimicry, examples of invisibility and examples of telekinesis. It doesn't animate unless you click on the image, so the caption reads something like "Watch as Peter uses two powers at once." — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:19, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
- I've fiddled with working it into the page. It won't work as a thumb. Is this acceptable? Any other options? --Ted C 16:41, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
Empathic Mimicry and just Empathy
I just watched Genesis again some days ago and didn't think of this until now. Peter said that when his father died, he felt it. I'm thinking that empathy was the first power Peter absorbed, possibly from his father because he mentions that he felt connected to him. --User:Rockyrojas88
- Claude calls Peter an "Empath"; mimicry is just one of the effects of Empathy. --Ted C 07:20, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
- ah, okay then thanks for clearing that up --User:Rockyrojas88