Talk:Bliss and horror

Name Voting

OK, let's try to keep this neat and clean. Only vote once, and follow the example. Add a new title if you don't see one you would vote for.

Note that the title that gets the most votes will not necessarily be the one chosen. The name will still have to be non-speculative about how the power operates and follow other standards and rules of the wiki. The admins will make determinations about whether a title is appropriate before implementing a change.

Please do not use this section for discussion; keep that in the sections below.

• Bliss and horror (keep current title)
  • (vote with your signature in a level 2 bullet)
• Pain and pleasure induction
  • (vote)
• Sensation control
  • Ted C 11:15, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 11:16, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
  • MiamiVolts (talk) 12:20, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
• Sensation manipulation
  • (vote)

Name Discussion (Part 1)

The name used is the one given a few times in It Takes a Village, Part 1. It can be changed if/when we find out more details about the power. As with any new power page, I tried to keep all speculation off, of course, and stick to what can be observed. If there's any speculation, it can be removed and/or discussed here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

• Um, if the description is "the ability to manipulate moods of others", why didn't you go for mood manipulation? --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 21:24, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
  • I guess I was just throwing something in there. Like I said, feel free to change something that needs to be changed. I'll go ahead and fix it now. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Lets just wait for the end of the hatians story maybe they will give us the correct name if nor I would like to suggest emotion control for a name--Addude 22:37, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
      • I vote we put a more realistic name for the power until more details become available. It's obvious that "Bliss and Horror" won't be the permanent name for it, so we might as well ditch it now. Emotional Manipulation is a better placeholder until more details become available.--Piemanmoo 23:21, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
        • I don't know if it's obvious that the name won't stay. Hopefully the next two GNs will enlighten us a little more. However, if they don't, then we're stuck with what we know, which is not much. In any case, I'm not sure it's emotions that Guillame manipulates. Possible, but not sure. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:35, 5 June 2007 (EDT)
          • Personally, I highly doubt that he manipulates emotions. Nausea and vomiting are purely physical sensations. One of the Tonton Macoutes also seems to be grimacing in pain. If he manipulated emotions and used that ability to "attack" someone, I would expect the victim to become depressed or (more useful in that situation) extremely fearful. He seems to be able to make the villagers euphoric, but he might be doing that without manipulating the emotions directly. For instance, he might be able to make people relaxed and/or energetic. Conduit 00:36, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
            • Is it at all posible that he has the same power as his son, mental manipulation. I mean, it makes sense. He would project mentally the feelings of "bliss and horror" into others minds. And with the guy that puked his guts, thats another example I have. Project the feeling of nausea into his mind and eventually he will feel that way. Anyone get what I'm saying?--The Empath 20:56, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
              • The similarities in their powers seem to be that they both somehow affect the mind. However, the Haitian blocks the powers of others and erases memories. Guillame hasn't shown that he can do that--instead he makes people feel great or feel like crap. The Haitian has never shown that he can do that. Well, at least not directly. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
                • "Mind manipulation", perhaps? It's a different name than "mental manipulation". The mind would then relate to all the emotions, feelings, etc. people have, rather than their memories and what they can do. --DocM 08:43, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
                  • Yes, but "mind manipulation" sure sounds a lot like "mental manipulation" (and really means just about the same thing), and I wouldn't want to name the power anything that would be potentially confusing. Besides, are we sure it's the people's minds he's manipulating? It's a pretty good bet, but we're still just not quite sure yet. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:48, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
                    • I'd take anything over "Bliss and Horror" right now. It's destroying my online OCD. What about "Health Manipulation"? It's mainly mental health, but health nonetheless.
                      -- GuitarHiro 22:49, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Name Discussion (Part 2)

My impression is that he affects the pain and pleasure centers of the brain. I'm not sure what you'd call that, though. "Pain/Pleasure Induction" violates my aesthetic rules. --Ted C 16:21, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

• I'd like to see that rule book. :) Yeah, I think you're on the right track, Ted. I have a feeling it'll be something like "mood manipulation" when we're done with all four GNs. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Thing is, I don't think the power affects mood, at least not directly. I don't think he's making people feel happy or sad: I think he's making them feel physically sick ("horror") or like they're having a continouous orgasm ("bliss"). Moods swings will probably follow, but they're indirect effects --Ted C 17:59, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
    • Good point, and exactly the reason we probably shouldn't come up with any name right now--you know, that whole avoiding speculation thing. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:58, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
      • Thanks, Ted, for semi-agreeing with me. As I noted before and hinted below, I agree that it's too early to change the name.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
        • How about "Pain &Pleasure Induction"? I don't see anything wrong with a three-word power. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 23:57, 9 June 2007 (EDT)

Name Discussion (Part 3)

• I still think it could be hormone manipulation, but I'm starting to think he'd have to both cause a lady to grow a mustache and help a mom to breast feed in order to convince the majority of that. LOL.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Not that hormone manipulation couldn't have the effects we've seen, but I doubt we'll ever get that exact an explanation of just how he causes pain or pleasure. --Ted C 09:38, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
    • I kind of like "bliss and horror" but if you want something more like the others, I was thinking "perception alteration" but that is probably to speculative, how about "sensation manipulation" -Lөvөl 11:49, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
      • I would tend more toward "sensation control". "Mental manipulation" has alliteration going for it, but "sensation manipulation" just gets long and tedious to say without any redeeming poetic features. Naming a power in a way that both looks good on paper (or screen) and sounds good when said aloud can be surprisingly difficult. --Ted C 12:19, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
      • "sensation manipulation" Rimes ;), "sensation control" could work. -Lөvөl 12:30, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
        • If we don't get any better proof of it being a hormone-related power, you can consider my vote the third for "sensation control".--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:48, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
          • My vote is for Mental Manipulation, but I don't read the online comics.--The Empath 14:01, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
            • The problem with using Mental manipulation is that it's already taken: we've assigned that name to The Haitian's power (although I might argue that "mental interference" describes what he does better). --Ted C 15:46, 8 June 2007 (EDT)
              • I like "sensation control". It seems to fit with what we know about the power right now. --Hero!^(talk)_(contribs) 19:50, 8 June 2007 (EDT)

Cmon guys, admit it

• I think I got the problem. No one likes the name bliss and horror, that's why everyone is complaining. If everyone just feels a hatred then why don't we discuss a list of possible names. We did it with Molly. Jason Garrick 16:28, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Actually I don't mind the name. I don't think it's the best, but I think it's a fine description and I like the poetry of the name. Sure, we could discuss the name all we want, but in the end, anything we come up with will be speculative. Hopefully we'll learn more about the power in the next two issues, and then we can find a name that won't be assuming anything. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2007 (EDT)
    • That's a good point. I remember reading the ordeal about "Being who can see Molly who is worse than the Boogeyman and can possibly mirror clairvoyance" article. I just hope the next comic has Guillame explaining to his son or his people what it is he can do. One can only hope! -- GuitarHiro 03:25, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm very much in favor of the current name. I dont like it, but anything else is too speculative right now and if we never get more insight as to his power then I'd opt to just leave it as is. As far as I'm concerned, if we want a better name for the power then the writers are interviewed often and they should be asked directly as to the nature of his power so that we can give it an accurate name. (Admin 12:54, 11 June 2007 (EDT))
    • ...speaking of which, I haven't heard back from Staz yet, but there's no surprises there. It doesn't look like CBR will be any more Q&A sessions until season two starts. Maybe the next GN will be done by one of the Kotzebue brothers or Micah, who seem to be bit more responsive. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Voting deadline

Are the admins going to set a deadline for this vote or the one for Molly's villain? Also, I suggested adding voting to current events, but no one has replied...--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:26, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

• I don't think a deadline is necessary for this article. As it is, it shouldn't be changed. We have two more graphic novels that will presumably shed more light on Guillame's power. If that's the case, then we'll go forward with a name change, most likely based on the above voting. If they flash forward and never talk about Guillame's power again, then we should probably keep "bliss and horror" since everything else is a little too speculative. The discussion can continue, of course, but I don't think a deadline is necessary--it all kind of depends on what's revealed to us. As for a link on current events, I don't think it's a bad idea, but I'm not really that gung ho about it. I didn't respond because I'm somewhat ambivalent. I think a better place to have a link for pages to be renamed would be on Template:Todo or Template:Todo2. But that's just me. If you want a link on current events, there's nothing stopping you. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:39, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Thanks for the input, but Pages to be renamed are not the same to me as Pages with active name voting. Some pages may have the {{rename}} tag but have not begun voting, so I've added the links to current events.--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:00, 11 June 2007 (EDT)