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****** When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive. In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's. I don't see any speculation in calling it [[freezing]]... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)) |
****** When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive. In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's. I don't see any speculation in calling it [[freezing]]... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)) |
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*******We only have what we see on screen, and they make a point of showing us the ice melting, which is presumably to tell us there will be no body for the police to find, but also to show that the water is clear. Has to be that way, if she just froze him, what would be left would be a pile of freezer burned flesh, blood everywhere, various chunks of bone and fragments of cloth, watch, video player. I realize that it is asking a lot from Heroes to have them realize that frozen bone would not shatter like that and would not melt, so it could be just badly done freezing, but for now replay the scene and document what we actually see, which is that his body is turned to ice, and the melt runs clear, not bloody. The only strange part is that when he shatters (which is even before he falls) they show a black rather than red inside, but the chunks on the ground are white. I called it speculation to label it the type of freezing we have seen before, because the results are very different. I agree it's also speculation to say it's like Bob, for now one should just document what we see and not leap to either conclusion--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
*******We only have what we see on screen, and they make a point of showing us the ice melting, which is presumably to tell us there will be no body for the police to find, but also to show that the water is clear. Has to be that way, if she just froze him, what would be left would be a pile of freezer burned flesh, blood everywhere, various chunks of bone and fragments of cloth, watch, video player. I realize that it is asking a lot from Heroes to have them realize that frozen bone would not shatter like that and would not melt, so it could be just badly done freezing, but for now replay the scene and document what we actually see, which is that his body is turned to ice, and the melt runs clear, not bloody. The only strange part is that when he shatters (which is even before he falls) they show a black rather than red inside, but the chunks on the ground are white. I called it speculation to label it the type of freezing we have seen before, because the results are very different. I agree it's also speculation to say it's like Bob, for now one should just document what we see and not leap to either conclusion--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 02:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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******The blue color can come from discoloration on the skin. And if Tracy froze him solid enough, the blood may still be frozen and not able to flow. The liquid, which shows some condensation of fog |
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around the area could be liquid atmosphere.[[User:Dracomaster4|Dracomaster4]] 15:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT) |
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== Different type of ability == |
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Revision as of 19:15, 25 September 2008
Edits
As of this date and time, the article I am attempting to edit is completely inaccurate. In fact, the page has been reverted to exactly the same one as I've been trying to change; save a section or two (Evolved Human Abilities). In my opinion, the photo I've recently uploaded is far more similar in tone to the other characters' pages and not nearly as blurry as the previous one. Of course, since no official (colored) promo pic was released for Tracy Strauss, it is entirely up to you. I also suggest going with my more developed character summary and not the one which erroneously refers to the governor of New York as the senator. Once again, these are just small quibbles that I think need fixing and the decision is entirely up to you... Smokezilla
If anyone has any further plans to edit this page, please notify me whenever you do. I'd hate to re-edit the administrator's intended layout. Smokezilla
- What do you mean? Are you getting edit conflicts or something? That just means someone else completed an edit before you did and it doesn't know what to do with the changes you tried to make now since the article is different. (Admin 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
- Yeah, that's it. Can't figure out who keeps editing it, though. Sorry - I'm just so damn determined to make sure this page is as lengthy and accurate as possible. However, if anyone wants to give the episode summaries a shot I'm all for it. Smokezilla
Tracy's Abilities
Do we in fact know that the freezing came from Tracy and was not a defense mechanism of the reporter. While this should probably be under character theories, it may also serve to decide how best to word Tracy's abilities. Andrei 02:22, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- It's pretty clear that it was Tracy. Freezing yourself to death wouldn't be a good defense mechanism. :) It's interesting that the reporter referred to her as an "ice queen", too. How appropriate. (Admin 02:24, 23 September 2008 (EDT))
- Have to agree with Admin here, Andrei. "Ice queen" and freezing seem to go hand in hand, wouldn't you say? Smokezilla
- I agree Tracy has freezing as an ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- The wife and I discussed this with several options. One of which being that the man froze himself, shattered, and then melts and reconstitutes. Example: | Senator Kelly in X-Men The reason I hazard that was the long camera shot on the ice dripping down the drain. Now again, a theory and probably best on the theory page. Andrei 02:41, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure that since Tracy's hand glowed blue that means the freezing spread from her to the reporter. --Piemanmoo 02:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- Her hand was definitely the same color as Sylar's when he used his freezing power on-screen. The only way it could get more blatant is if she actually said, "I froze him," and then freezes something else. --PeterDawson 13:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- I have to disagree. Watch the scene again, as I just did. He turns into ice, she doesn't freeze him. He gets turned a translucent blue gray (which would not happen if he were frozen, but rather if he were turned into ice) and then the camera moves to show the pieces on the ground, melting and trailing running clear water into the drain. There are no fragments of bone or cloth or metal (such as the video player) unfreezing, and in particular no blood, which is what you would see if you melted a chunks of a frozen person. It would run red and other colours, not clear. So what we saw, was more like Bob's power than freezing. If you want to speculate it was like a freezing power, that runs contrary to what we saw. Now I will admit I do have a speculation that her power is far more interesting, that she simply has whatever power her victim names, thus for the reporter only she had the power to turn him into ice, but there is as yet no evidence for that speculation.--Bradtem 02:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive. In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's. I don't see any speculation in calling it freezing... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's. (Admin 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
- We only have what we see on screen, and they make a point of showing us the ice melting, which is presumably to tell us there will be no body for the police to find, but also to show that the water is clear. Has to be that way, if she just froze him, what would be left would be a pile of freezer burned flesh, blood everywhere, various chunks of bone and fragments of cloth, watch, video player. I realize that it is asking a lot from Heroes to have them realize that frozen bone would not shatter like that and would not melt, so it could be just badly done freezing, but for now replay the scene and document what we actually see, which is that his body is turned to ice, and the melt runs clear, not bloody. The only strange part is that when he shatters (which is even before he falls) they show a black rather than red inside, but the chunks on the ground are white. I called it speculation to label it the type of freezing we have seen before, because the results are very different. I agree it's also speculation to say it's like Bob, for now one should just document what we see and not leap to either conclusion--Bradtem 02:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- The blue color can come from discoloration on the skin. And if Tracy froze him solid enough, the blood may still be frozen and not able to flow. The liquid, which shows some condensation of fog
- When he first starts to break apart before shattering you can see the red of his blood vessels. I thought after he shattered you saw blood running down the drain, but I'm not entirely positive. In any event it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that the ability is like Bob's. I don't see any speculation in calling it freezing... rather I do consider it speculative to say that it's a new ability akin to Bob's. (Admin 02:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT))
- I have to disagree. Watch the scene again, as I just did. He turns into ice, she doesn't freeze him. He gets turned a translucent blue gray (which would not happen if he were frozen, but rather if he were turned into ice) and then the camera moves to show the pieces on the ground, melting and trailing running clear water into the drain. There are no fragments of bone or cloth or metal (such as the video player) unfreezing, and in particular no blood, which is what you would see if you melted a chunks of a frozen person. It would run red and other colours, not clear. So what we saw, was more like Bob's power than freezing. If you want to speculate it was like a freezing power, that runs contrary to what we saw. Now I will admit I do have a speculation that her power is far more interesting, that she simply has whatever power her victim names, thus for the reporter only she had the power to turn him into ice, but there is as yet no evidence for that speculation.--Bradtem 02:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Her hand was definitely the same color as Sylar's when he used his freezing power on-screen. The only way it could get more blatant is if she actually said, "I froze him," and then freezes something else. --PeterDawson 13:21, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure that since Tracy's hand glowed blue that means the freezing spread from her to the reporter. --Piemanmoo 02:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)
- Have to agree with Admin here, Andrei. "Ice queen" and freezing seem to go hand in hand, wouldn't you say? Smokezilla
around the area could be liquid atmosphere.Dracomaster4 15:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Different type of ability
- While even I somewhat doubt this, what if Tracy's ability isn't that of freezing but instead something in her reacted to the reporter's comments of calling her the "Ice Queen", as if by him saying that, her ability was to make his remark literal. If you think about it, she only froze him after he called her that name, and her reaction clearly showed that she only discovered that ability at that moment. Imagine if later on, someone says she's acting "all fired up" and then suddenly she has pyrokinesis? Just a thought from a different point of view... - FlyingMan 03:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, that's what I say in the section above this. When I added it to the fan theories page, one of the monitors reverted it out without comment, in spite of the rule that you don't delete fan theories for not liking them. So I smell a conspiracy to hide her power. :-)--Bradtem 03:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- I didn't realize you had mentioned that already! Maybe we are onto something! - FlyingMan 03:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, that's what I say in the section above this. When I added it to the fan theories page, one of the monitors reverted it out without comment, in spite of the rule that you don't delete fan theories for not liking them. So I smell a conspiracy to hide her power. :-)--Bradtem 03:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)