Theory talk:Abilities by Dr. Suresh's category

Hmm, I had hoped this would be more balanced in terms of categories. It would be better if I combined the 'atoms and matter' and 'waves' categories, but that would differ from Dr. Suresh's categories.--MiamiVolts (talk) 21:57, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

• This is a nice page. I like it. I do have a few suggestions, however. Wouldn't intuitive aptitude go under mental? Sylar's gifted understanding of "how thinks work" is a mental thing. And, illusion, would it go under manipulation of waves? Micah theorizes that Candice's ability stems from bending light (Landslide), and light exhibits properties of waves. I guess you could classify telekinesis as manipulation of atoms and matter, but I've always thought of it as a mental power, and it is commonly referred to as one. I think it's fine as it is, though. Here are some ideas for additions:

1. Physical- adoptive muscle memory, perhaps replication?
2. Atoms and matter- alchemy
3. Elements- the classical element of water, water mimicry

Altogether, well done. :)--Ice Vision 23:59, 6 December 2007 (EST)

• It seems you got there before me.--Ice Vision 00:02, 7 December 2007 (EST)
  • Yeah, I was updating as you were writing your comment, I guess.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2007 (EST)
  • Regarding illusion, my opinion is that Candice refuted Micah's theory after he asked her about it point blank. So I left illusion as mental as I trust Candice's description more than Micah's. Candice replied that she could make Micah see whatever she wanted. If she meant that literally, then even if Micah closed his eyes I think Candice would be able to force images into his head. That would make it more of a visual telepathy power with the restriction that all of the images need to come from her head (not the subject's). As further proof, I note that the illusion power was not captured on film until Five Years Gone, and even then it is conceivable that Sylar (as President), ordered the media to use a special camera filter that altered his appearance.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2007 (EST)
  • Regarding telekinesis, almost any power can be considered mental, though Sylar describes it as "moving things[matter] with his mind".--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:00, 7 December 2007 (EST)
    • Good point with Candice, I'm going to have to agree with that. True, almost any power can be considered mental, but the reason I thought telekinesis should be was because Sylar says that he can "move things with his mind." Your reasons are valid, and it isn't that big of a deal, so either way is fine with me.--Ice Vision 01:11, 7 December 2007 (EST)
      • For what it's worth, Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite grouped telepathy and illusion together as sort of cousins of one another, with the opportunity to actually evolve into the same power. See here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:24, 7 December 2007 (EST)
        • Thanks, that's a cool reference, Ryan! As for telekinesis being in the matter category, something else that may be of note is that when he is cutting victim's heads open, Sylar appears to be using his telekinesis on a molecular scale.--MiamiVolts (talk) 01:31, 7 December 2007 (EST)
          • Although Sylar might be doing that, I don't think a molecular scale is necessary. It seems reasonable for Sylar to use telekinesis to rip the skin like how I would rip a sheet of paper in half. I don't need to work at a molecular level to make one sheet of paper two, and I don't think Sylar needs to either. Thoughts?--Ice Vision 15:14, 7 December 2007 (EST)
            • I don't see it as ripping. It's more of a molecular slicing, imho, because he is penetrating the skull and that is bone, not just skin. I think that point was made rather clear when Sylar sliced off the top of James Walker's head, in which Sylar had to deal not only with cutting through James's skull all the way through, but to do it on a frozen body. Also, when Sylar is cutting into the skin, it doesn't sag or stretch, as you would expect from a rip and tear... Sylar's cuts into Peter and Ted are good examples of this.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:58, 7 December 2007 (EST)
              • Well, even if Sylar does penetrate the skull, it doesn't mean that he does so at a molecular level. If Sylar has enough control over his power, which he does, he should be able to cleanly cut almost any object. I compare it to slicing a watermelon (I know that watermelons are not the same as human heads). You can take a knife and cut a watermelon without making a big mess. One thing you have to do is to cut slowly, and Sylar does that. Also, when Sylar cuts Peter, a piece of Peter's hair falls to the ground. It's as if Sylar used an invisible knife. Such a cut would indeed require working at a very small level, but would not require molecular level. In my opinion, molecular is just "way too small".--Ice Vision 16:24, 7 December 2007 (EST)