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While I understand the reluctance to define limits that are inaccurate, I would argue that Bob has shown the ability to transmute a small object from mundane metal into gold. This doesn't mean that he can't transmute a larger object, only that he hasn't demonstrated the ability to do so. Given that what he's already done has an energy requirement comparable to hundreds of megatons worth of nuclear weapons detonating at once, I feel okay erring on the conservative side with regard to his ability. That said, the limits section still reads well. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:05, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
While I understand the reluctance to define limits that are inaccurate, I would argue that Bob has shown the ability to transmute a small object from mundane metal into gold. This doesn't mean that he can't transmute a larger object, only that he hasn't demonstrated the ability to do so. Given that what he's already done has an energy requirement comparable to hundreds of megatons worth of nuclear weapons detonating at once, I feel okay erring on the conservative side with regard to his ability. That said, the limits section still reads well. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 17:05, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
* Thanks, I've learned from the best, Ted. :) I want to make sure that we're just not jumping to any conclusions about the power. I took out any references to the spoon being steel (and his ability to change steel) simply because the spoon could have been a number of different metals. In fact, when I lived in Albania, most people used real silver--go figure. I also changed the "small objects" because we have no idea what he's capable of. He did say he's got his own private Fort Knox, so I suspect he has at least tried (and probably succeeded) in changing objects on a large scale. But in any case, I just felt it was reading that he could only change small objects, which I'm sure wasn't the intention. I'd much rather side with caution and generalizations where we have unknowns. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:10, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
* Thanks, I've learned from the best, Ted. :) I want to make sure that we're just not jumping to any conclusions about the power. I took out any references to the spoon being steel (and his ability to change steel) simply because the spoon could have been a number of different metals. In fact, when I lived in Albania, most people used real silver--go figure. I also changed the "small objects" because we have no idea what he's capable of. He did say he's got his own private Fort Knox, so I suspect he has at least tried (and probably succeeded) in changing objects on a large scale. But in any case, I just felt it was reading that he could only change small objects, which I'm sure wasn't the intention. I'd much rather side with caution and generalizations where we have unknowns. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 17:10, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
** Ryan said, ''"In fact, when I lived in Albania", '' .....Dita e Mere! <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 09/25/2007 18:26 (EST)</small>

Revision as of 22:26, 25 September 2007

Whoever added this page, it is WAY too early to give it a name. All we saw was a quick change to gold. It could be anything beyond that. --Riddler 22:11, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Anddddd if you wanna get technical, what we saw was Elemental transmutation.--Riddler 22:13, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Agree, I'm not sure I would identify the power as alchemy quite yet. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:39, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Alchemy? Wow, I was about to come and suggest Elemental Transmutation. "The ability to alter chemical elements, changing them from one substance to another by rearranging the atomic structure". He changed that sliver spoon into gold, that screams Elemental Transmutation.--The Empath 22:54, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
        • "IF" this powers ends up 'only' being the ability to transmute metal into gold, then that specific action is known as Chrysopoeia. Alchemy is a common term used for it also, but Alchemy is a broad general term that includes many other disciplines besides gold transmutation. It's too early to define this one. Need more epis. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/24/2007 23:31 (EST)

I don't think Alchemy is too bad a name for now. Perhaps just Transmutation is sufficient, but let's not get into another Bliss and Horror over this. We'll just use a fitting name for being able to turn a spoon into gold. --Piemanmoo 01:37, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Although it is the first thing I thought of as well, alchemy is defiantly not the right name, it would be like calling a power "chemistry" or "spiritualism". "The Midas Touch" is the second thing I thought of, but I don't think that is right ether. "Aurification" or "transmutation" could work. I do like having info on the powers as soon as possible but I think it needs a better name. -Lөvөl 02:36, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • We are discussing this over on Bob's talk page. "transmutation" is too broad, imho, aurification is my preference.--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:51, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
      • Aurification sounds fine. Another alternative that is also specific to transmuting metal into gold is Chrysopoeia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysopoeia The plus-side of Aurification though, is that Au is the chemical symbol for 'Gold', so it will be more easily recognized. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 09:47 (EST)
        • "Aurification" rings no bells whatsoever with me. Is there a source for that term, or did we make it up from whole cloth? Besides that, we really don't know if he's limited to just converting "base" metals into gold or can cause a broader range of transformations. I suspect that "aurification" may be too limiting. --Ted C 09:49, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

I just tossed this up really quick to get some information up about the new power, and "Alchemy" was the first term that came to mind. I actually rather agree with "Elemental transmutation" as a name for it. --Ted C 09:48, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

1. to cause to appear golden; gild
2. to transmute into gold. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 10:49 (EST)

Limits

While I understand the reluctance to define limits that are inaccurate, I would argue that Bob has shown the ability to transmute a small object from mundane metal into gold. This doesn't mean that he can't transmute a larger object, only that he hasn't demonstrated the ability to do so. Given that what he's already done has an energy requirement comparable to hundreds of megatons worth of nuclear weapons detonating at once, I feel okay erring on the conservative side with regard to his ability. That said, the limits section still reads well. --Ted C 17:05, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Thanks, I've learned from the best, Ted. :) I want to make sure that we're just not jumping to any conclusions about the power. I took out any references to the spoon being steel (and his ability to change steel) simply because the spoon could have been a number of different metals. In fact, when I lived in Albania, most people used real silver--go figure. I also changed the "small objects" because we have no idea what he's capable of. He did say he's got his own private Fort Knox, so I suspect he has at least tried (and probably succeeded) in changing objects on a large scale. But in any case, I just felt it was reading that he could only change small objects, which I'm sure wasn't the intention. I'd much rather side with caution and generalizations where we have unknowns. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
    • Ryan said, "In fact, when I lived in Albania", .....Dita e Mere! --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 09/25/2007 18:26 (EST)
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