Talk:Loyalty vs. treachery

To me, this page seems too close to secrets and deception to merit its own article. I'm not sure there's enough unique examples of loyalty and treachery that won't already fit on other pages. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:14, 16 February 2007 (EST)

• "Treachery", as we're using it here, does not necessarily equal deception. Simone disobeys Nathan's request by showing Peter the missing painting, but I wouldn't say she deceives him in doing so ... she's just loyal to Peter instead. Eden goes rogue, but she's not particularly sneaky about it. Sure, the Haitian's loyalty is brought into question because of his deception, but even that disloyalty is separate from the deception itself--if he's not loyal to Mr. Bennet, where does his loyalty lie?
  
  Treachery aside, there are even more example of loyalty to consider. Hiro sticks with Ando when Kaito's men catch him. Mohinder's mother puts her husband's needs above her own. I'd say if it's done properly, this is quite a separate theme: who are people loyal to? When faced with a choice, with whom do they side? In Eden's story alone, I'd say her primary quest is figuring out who to side with.--Hardvice (talk) 09:41, 16 February 2007 (EST)
  • I see what you're saying. I'm not opposed to the page, I just don't think it's necessary. That, or I'm lazy. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:31, 16 February 2007 (EST)

AFD

I figured this article has been a stub for a long time without any input for it, and as stated earlier, it resembles Secrets and deception enough to where any examples of loyalty vs treachery can be put there. Treachery seems to be the main focus of the article since people's loyalty shift a lot in the show (I think it was Beeman or Arkus who stated that it's intentionally done).--Bob 03:55, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

• I don't have any problem merging the two--sounds like a good idea to me. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:36, 9 April 2007 (EDT)