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********** Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of the whole "when an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character" concept? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT) |
********** Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of the whole "when an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character" concept? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT) |
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*********** I overlooked that part of the conversation. I'm in the camp of "whatever media a character is most important to in the plot is where the character should be placed." [[Brian]] should be in the evolutions portal, and have only the evolutions navbar in his article. However, a link to him in the GN space (with his GN pic) is perfectly acceptable. Now with Hana, here is what think for her: We link to her from Eps, GN and Evolutions portals. Since she is important in both Evolutions and GNs, we make a special navbar that is cut in half with Hana related GN characters on top, and Evolutions characters on the bottom. Characters in similar situations, we deal with in on a case by case basis. If they are important in more than one place, we make navbars similar to the proposed Hana navbar. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT) |
*********** I overlooked that part of the conversation. I'm in the camp of "whatever media a character is most important to in the plot is where the character should be placed." [[Brian]] should be in the evolutions portal, and have only the evolutions navbar in his article. However, a link to him in the GN space (with his GN pic) is perfectly acceptable. Now with Hana, here is what think for her: We link to her from Eps, GN and Evolutions portals. Since she is important in both Evolutions and GNs, we make a special navbar that is cut in half with Hana related GN characters on top, and Evolutions characters on the bottom. Characters in similar situations, we deal with in on a case by case basis. If they are important in more than one place, we make navbars similar to the proposed Hana navbar. --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT) |
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************ Oy, that does not sound too appealing to me, and certainly takes out the ease of navigating that navbars and portals are supposed to provide. Plus, when we start assigning based on "importance" in a certain area, we get very subjective and we cross into a very gray area. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT) |
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Revision as of 03:39, 13 September 2008
Donahue and Perez. I still think they belong here and not in the GN portal. I'm afraid of messing up the formatting. Therequiembellishere 16:25, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- It's a judgment call and I have mixed feelings. Initially, I thought they should be moved to the GN portal...but then I thought, what if Bridget Bailey made a brief appearance, just as Donahue did. She would certainly not be considered a graphic novel character. On the other hand, I'm thinking about Brian, who had an entire graphic novel dedicated to him which he narrated and the story revolved around him, yet he's still over in the HE portal, and maybe he's better off in a GN portal too. I'm going back and forth. Ultimately, as long as they're in a portal, that's all that matters, and as long as we're consistent, that's the next thing that matters. I could be more assertive with an opinion, but I just don't think it matters too much one way or another, so long as we're consistent (which we're not right now). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- What is to stop a character from being in both the graphic novel and the evolutions portal? I mean, they're in both, so why not? --DocM 18:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- Well, that's one thing we definitely don't want. If we did that, it would mean they would have multiple navbars on their page, and that's never a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:22, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- I think it should come down to where the character has had more activity. For Donahue and Perez, that is undeniably within Evolutions. Brian I'm not so sure. I forget what he did in Evolutions. Therequiembellishere 15:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think it should have to do with where there's more activity, otherwise Richard Drucker and Connie probably wouldn't be graphic novel characters, and Hana Gitelman wouldn't be considered an episodic character. I think it needs to be a hierarchical thing, like episodes above webisodes (that goes without saying), webisodes above graphic novels, and graphic novels above Evolutions content. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yeah - hierarchy would be the way to go, and RGS's suggestion sounds just about right to me (and it is the way it currently works, in most cases). The only problem for me is when characters appear in person, played by an actor, in Evolutions, and then makes minor GN appearances (yeah, I'm talking about Brian, Walter and Kelly). When an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character... Pierre 17:57, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- This is sounding dumb as I type, but how a bout aportal for characters who cross portals? Therequiembellishere 18:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- It doesn't sound dumb, but I don't think it's the best idea. In that case, we'd be categorizing characters more by where they've been on Heroes Wiki than by appearances in Heroes content. What if the hierarchy looked like this: episodic characters → webisodic characters → live HE characters → GN characters → other HE characters? (Does that make any sense at all?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- It does to me. However, I think that since the GNs are a more established media than the Webisodes, it should go: episodic characters → GN characters → webisodic characters → live HE characters → other HE characters. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of the whole "when an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character" concept? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- I overlooked that part of the conversation. I'm in the camp of "whatever media a character is most important to in the plot is where the character should be placed." Brian should be in the evolutions portal, and have only the evolutions navbar in his article. However, a link to him in the GN space (with his GN pic) is perfectly acceptable. Now with Hana, here is what think for her: We link to her from Eps, GN and Evolutions portals. Since she is important in both Evolutions and GNs, we make a special navbar that is cut in half with Hana related GN characters on top, and Evolutions characters on the bottom. Characters in similar situations, we deal with in on a case by case basis. If they are important in more than one place, we make navbars similar to the proposed Hana navbar. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Oy, that does not sound too appealing to me, and certainly takes out the ease of navigating that navbars and portals are supposed to provide. Plus, when we start assigning based on "importance" in a certain area, we get very subjective and we cross into a very gray area. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- I overlooked that part of the conversation. I'm in the camp of "whatever media a character is most important to in the plot is where the character should be placed." Brian should be in the evolutions portal, and have only the evolutions navbar in his article. However, a link to him in the GN space (with his GN pic) is perfectly acceptable. Now with Hana, here is what think for her: We link to her from Eps, GN and Evolutions portals. Since she is important in both Evolutions and GNs, we make a special navbar that is cut in half with Hana related GN characters on top, and Evolutions characters on the bottom. Characters in similar situations, we deal with in on a case by case basis. If they are important in more than one place, we make navbars similar to the proposed Hana navbar. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Wouldn't that kind of defeat the point of the whole "when an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character" concept? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- It does to me. However, I think that since the GNs are a more established media than the Webisodes, it should go: episodic characters → GN characters → webisodic characters → live HE characters → other HE characters. --SacValleyDweller (talk) 21:11, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- It doesn't sound dumb, but I don't think it's the best idea. In that case, we'd be categorizing characters more by where they've been on Heroes Wiki than by appearances in Heroes content. What if the hierarchy looked like this: episodic characters → webisodic characters → live HE characters → GN characters → other HE characters? (Does that make any sense at all?) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- This is sounding dumb as I type, but how a bout aportal for characters who cross portals? Therequiembellishere 18:12, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yeah - hierarchy would be the way to go, and RGS's suggestion sounds just about right to me (and it is the way it currently works, in most cases). The only problem for me is when characters appear in person, played by an actor, in Evolutions, and then makes minor GN appearances (yeah, I'm talking about Brian, Walter and Kelly). When an actor is hired to play the part, it doesn't seem right to regard him/her a graphic novel character... Pierre 17:57, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think it should have to do with where there's more activity, otherwise Richard Drucker and Connie probably wouldn't be graphic novel characters, and Hana Gitelman wouldn't be considered an episodic character. I think it needs to be a hierarchical thing, like episodes above webisodes (that goes without saying), webisodes above graphic novels, and graphic novels above Evolutions content. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:19, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- I think it should come down to where the character has had more activity. For Donahue and Perez, that is undeniably within Evolutions. Brian I'm not so sure. I forget what he did in Evolutions. Therequiembellishere 15:41, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
- Well, that's one thing we definitely don't want. If we did that, it would mean they would have multiple navbars on their page, and that's never a good idea. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:22, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
- What is to stop a character from being in both the graphic novel and the evolutions portal? I mean, they're in both, so why not? --DocM 18:13, 11 September 2008 (EDT)