Talk:Misha's ability
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You can't be serious.
Why is this a new page, it's obviously telekinesis. --Lolwut 16:11, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- The main argument is the glowing of his eyes/the water he was controlling. We really can't say for sure if it's TK until BTE or something confirms it. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
- As I like to say: "Something being "obvious" is not the same as "having a strong opinion about something." This is one of those instances where it's not obvious. There is limited information about this ability and from what I'm aware of it was used and demonstrated in a very specific way that suggests that it may be something slightly different than plain telekinesis. As a result we play it safe and not lump it in with telekinesis unless/until the evidence fully supports it. (Admin 16:15, 11 February 2009 (EST))
- Oh come on, his eyes? And i think its safe to say that the writers arent going to care enough to tell us the names, lol i.e trevors ability, alejandros ability, future terrorists ability etc etc etc... i mean it never killed anyone to assume things :P --Lolwut 16:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- That's just not how it's done here. We take a methodical approach in order to ensure that the information here is consistent and accurate. Other sites are free to speculate all they want, but the goal here is to have accurate information that doesn't mislead people so we can't just assume. (Admin 16:22, 11 February 2009 (EST))
- To maintain credibility, we always strive for accuracy and not to have any misinformation. With that in mind, calling this power "telekinesis" may or may not be wrong. Calling this power "blond trafficker's ability" is definitely not wrong. Yeah, it's nice to have names for all the abilities...but some simply do not have names. And really, there's nothing wrong with calling an ability by the person's name. I've never felt strongly that we need to ascribe a formal name to every ability that's out there. Sure, it'd be nice...but not necessary. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- That's just not how it's done here. We take a methodical approach in order to ensure that the information here is consistent and accurate. Other sites are free to speculate all they want, but the goal here is to have accurate information that doesn't mislead people so we can't just assume. (Admin 16:22, 11 February 2009 (EST))
- Fair enough :P its just a silly sci fi show anyway, you do what you think is best. --Lolwut 16:28, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- In all fairness, it could be "Molecular Control", "Telekinesis", "Hydrokinesis" or anything else that could be specifically related to water... Angielynne - talk to me... 16:36, 11 February 2009 (EST)
Here's why it's telekinesis:
Now I know some of you won't read this because you've already made up your minds, but just hear me out. The main factor we have that supports Misha's power being a new one is because of the fact that he could only manipulate water (or whatever liquid was in the glass, maybe it was vodka, I dunno) as shown be the fact that the glasses fell down and smashed on the table. Except for the fact that that didn't actualy happen, and the glasses glowed blue along with the water and floated right next to them. Some people might say that the glass itself was only glowing blue because of the amount of liquid inside the glass which was glowin, at which point I would like to point out how the liquid is mostly frozen (I mean frozen like held in place, not frozen like in ice) on the left side of the glass, while the right side is mostly dry. Regardless of this, the entire glass is glowing blue so that tells us that his ability affects both the water and the glass. Some people may then go on to meekly argue that the right side of the glass was probably only glowing because that part of the glass was reflecting the blue light, at which point I would tell them that they are talking out of their ass and they need to get out of my office.
So now that we've established that the ability affects both solids and liquids (and if you are not convinced I invite you to re-read that paragraph up there until it sinks in), we can either a) assume he has the ability to move glass and water, also known as vitreohyrdrokinesis, or b) he has telekinesis. If for some reason this bulletproof argument does not sway some people (and I have no doubt that it will not) we can always ask the writers in the next CBR thingy, althoguh this has been notoriously difficult in the past because they will either not answer us directly and tell us to just shut up and wait for next week, or they will give us something ambiguous like they did for the Anna/Hatiain thing. All in all, we the heroes wiki need to look at what is more likely. If another issue comes out and Misha flat-out reveals that he is unable to levitate dog crap and it must therefore not be TK, then I will gladly change it back to his own ability. Not only that, I will put on a clown suit while redirecting the page and upload pics to prove it.
tl;dr: the glass was floating too --Piemanmoo 17:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- And as a reply to that I give you Ryan's argument in the previous section: calling it telekinesis may or may not be correct. Calling it so and so's ability will always be correct. What's irking me most is because more than once you've put it down as telekinesis, regardless of there being a consensus, regardless of other's opinions, and without giving it enough time so other people can come and give their own opinions. You're basically over riding the community because you've decided that it's telekinesis the same way you say other people decided it's not. What we need is an administrator to mediate this, cause I have the feeling neither side is going to give in soon. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:51, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Why does an administrator need to mediate? Piemanmoo is doing the proper thing now and discussing it and not moving it without consensus. I've heard him out and made a reply. Hydrokinesis as his ability is out since the glass is affected by his ability; telekinesis is out since Sylar has never controlled the flow of liquids; and molecular control doesn't imply it is a movement-control ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Is he? Then why is the ability listed on the character's page telekinesis? Why is this article redirecting to telekinesis? Why is Misha listed as having telekinesis in the ability list? Why is Misha listed at the telekinesis article? Doesn't seem like a proper thing to do while there is an on-going discussion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:11, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Exactly. What happened to the whole concensus thing? Angielynne - talk to me... 18:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Why does an administrator need to mediate? Piemanmoo is doing the proper thing now and discussing it and not moving it without consensus. I've heard him out and made a reply. Hydrokinesis as his ability is out since the glass is affected by his ability; telekinesis is out since Sylar has never controlled the flow of liquids; and molecular control doesn't imply it is a movement-control ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- I think vitreohydrokinesis is the best name for us right now that is non-speculative. We know he can control glass and liquids, and I too think it's likely telekinesis, but we just don't know that he can move other solids (sorry Piemanmoo). In addition, when has Sylar used telekinesis to move any liquid? Yes, he made a snowglobe with his ability for his mother, but that was using TK to move a flow of ice/snow (solids) created using cryokinesis.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- All in all, we still have to follow the above list for Canonocity (teehee), and we simply have not seen enough of the ability to honestly use the "Description of ability" option, or anything above that. Angielynne - talk to me... 18:03, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Ok, Angie, what else do you need to see? We have named abilities before with only a single viewing. In this case, the ability appears to be different from what Sylar can do with his telekinesis, so waiting isn't going to change that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:10, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- It's not a matter of wanting to see more, it's simply a matter of wanting to do this properly. I fully think it is telekinesis, but we have no basis to go on. As you stated, we haven't seen anyone else control water. I am one of those people who has no issue with "Persons" ability, and I think a pre-emptive change of name based on the single use of the power isn't right. Angielynne - talk to me... 18:15, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- Thanks for going down this line of thought with me. Would you agree that we can say he can control the movement of water and glass? I don't think you fully understood my question. On what basis would it be okay to add this ability to telekinesis?--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- If we saw Sylar (or someone confirmed to have TK) do something along the same lines. I personally think that liquid would be super-difficult to control using TK, as it is a state of matter that is in constant motion. The biggest issue we have is his eyes. How do we account for that? He uses the same hand-control system for TK as Sylar, but Sylar's eyes don't glow! Angielynne - talk to me... 18:29, 11 February 2009 (EST)
- A lot of abilities involve hand movements, and telekinesis isn't limited by hand motions, we've seen Sylar use telekinesis without even blinking before. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)