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You can't be serious.

Why is this a new page, it's obviously telekinesis. --Lolwut 16:11, 11 February 2009 (EST)

  • The main argument is the glowing of his eyes/the water he was controlling. We really can't say for sure if it's TK until BTE or something confirms it. -- Psilaq R.- \m/ -_- \m/-
  • As I like to say: "Something being "obvious" is not the same as "having a strong opinion about something." This is one of those instances where it's not obvious. There is limited information about this ability and from what I'm aware of it was used and demonstrated in a very specific way that suggests that it may be something slightly different than plain telekinesis. As a result we play it safe and not lump it in with telekinesis unless/until the evidence fully supports it. (Admin 16:15, 11 February 2009 (EST))
  • Oh come on, his eyes? And i think its safe to say that the writers arent going to care enough to tell us the names, lol i.e trevors ability, alejandros ability, future terrorists ability etc etc etc... i mean it never killed anyone to assume things :P --Lolwut 16:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • That's just not how it's done here. We take a methodical approach in order to ensure that the information here is consistent and accurate. Other sites are free to speculate all they want, but the goal here is to have accurate information that doesn't mislead people so we can't just assume. (Admin 16:22, 11 February 2009 (EST))
      • To maintain credibility, we always strive for accuracy and not to have any misinformation. With that in mind, calling this power "telekinesis" may or may not be wrong. Calling this power "blond trafficker's ability" is definitely not wrong. Yeah, it's nice to have names for all the abilities...but some simply do not have names. And really, there's nothing wrong with calling an ability by the person's name. I've never felt strongly that we need to ascribe a formal name to every ability that's out there. Sure, it'd be nice...but not necessary. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • Fair enough :P its just a silly sci fi show anyway, you do what you think is best. --Lolwut 16:28, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • In all fairness, it could be "Molecular Control", "Telekinesis", "Hydrokinesis" or anything else that could be specifically related to water... Angielynne - talk to me... 16:36, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Here's why it's telekinesis:

Now I know some of you won't read this because you've already made up your minds, but just hear me out. The main factor we have that supports Misha's power being a new one is because of the fact that he could only manipulate water (or whatever liquid was in the glass, maybe it was vodka, I dunno) as shown be the fact that the glasses fell down and smashed on the table. Except for the fact that that didn't actualy happen, and the glasses glowed blue along with the water and floated right next to them. Some people might say that the glass itself was only glowing blue because of the amount of liquid inside the glass which was glowin, at which point I would like to point out how the liquid is mostly frozen (I mean frozen like held in place, not frozen like in ice) on the left side of the glass, while the right side is mostly dry. Regardless of this, the entire glass is glowing blue so that tells us that his ability affects both the water and the glass. Some people may then go on to meekly argue that the right side of the glass was probably only glowing because that part of the glass was reflecting the blue light, at which point I would tell them that they are talking out of their ass and they need to get out of my office.

So now that we've established that the ability affects both solids and liquids (and if you are not convinced I invite you to re-read that paragraph up there until it sinks in), we can either a) assume he has the ability to move glass and water, also known as vitreohyrdrokinesis, or b) he has telekinesis. If for some reason this bulletproof argument does not sway some people (and I have no doubt that it will not) we can always ask the writers in the next CBR thingy, althoguh this has been notoriously difficult in the past because they will either not answer us directly and tell us to just shut up and wait for next week, or they will give us something ambiguous like they did for the Anna/Hatiain thing. All in all, we the heroes wiki need to look at what is more likely. If another issue comes out and Misha flat-out reveals that he is unable to levitate dog crap and it must therefore not be TK, then I will gladly change it back to his own ability. Not only that, I will put on a clown suit while redirecting the page and upload pics to prove it.

tl;dr: the glass was floating too --Piemanmoo 17:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)

  • And as a reply to that I give you Ryan's argument in the previous section: calling it telekinesis may or may not be correct. Calling it so and so's ability will always be correct. What's irking me most is because more than once you've put it down as telekinesis, regardless of there being a consensus, regardless of other's opinions, and without giving it enough time so other people can come and give their own opinions. You're basically over riding the community because you've decided that it's telekinesis the same way you say other people decided it's not. What we need is an administrator to mediate this, cause I have the feeling neither side is going to give in soon. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:51, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Why does an administrator need to mediate? Piemanmoo is doing the proper thing now and discussing it and not moving it without consensus. I've heard him out and made a reply. Hydrokinesis as his ability is out since the glass is affected by his ability; telekinesis is out since Sylar has never controlled the flow of liquids; and molecular control doesn't imply it is a movement-control ability.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • Is he? Then why is the ability listed on the character's page telekinesis? Why is this article redirecting to telekinesis? Why is Misha listed as having telekinesis in the ability list? Why is Misha listed at the telekinesis article? Doesn't seem like a proper thing to do while there is an on-going discussion. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:11, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • Exactly. What happened to the whole concensus thing? Angielynne - talk to me... 18:20, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • I think vitreohydrokinesis is the best name for us right now that is non-speculative. We know he can control glass and liquids, and I too think it's likely telekinesis, but we just don't know that he can move other solids (sorry Piemanmoo). In addition, when has Sylar used telekinesis to move any liquid? Yes, he made a snowglobe with his ability for his mother, but that was using TK to move a flow of ice/snow (solids) created using cryokinesis.--MiamiVolts (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2009 (EST)
  • All in all, we still have to follow the above list for Canonocity (teehee), and we simply have not seen enough of the ability to honestly use the "Description of ability" option, or anything above that. Angielynne - talk to me... 18:03, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • Ok, Angie, what else do you need to see? We have named abilities before with only a single viewing. In this case, the ability appears to be different from what Sylar can do with his telekinesis, so waiting isn't going to change that.--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:10, 11 February 2009 (EST)
    • It's not a matter of wanting to see more, it's simply a matter of wanting to do this properly. I fully think it is telekinesis, but we have no basis to go on. As you stated, we haven't seen anyone else control water. I am one of those people who has no issue with "Persons" ability, and I think a pre-emptive change of name based on the single use of the power isn't right. Angielynne - talk to me... 18:15, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • Thanks for going down this line of thought with me. Would you agree that we can say he can control the movement of water and glass? I don't think you fully understood my question. On what basis would it be okay to add this ability to telekinesis?--MiamiVolts (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2009 (EST)
      • If we saw Sylar (or someone confirmed to have TK) do something along the same lines. I personally think that liquid would be super-difficult to control using TK, as it is a state of matter that is in constant motion. The biggest issue we have is his eyes. How do we account for that? He uses the same hand-control system for TK as Sylar, but Sylar's eyes don't glow! Angielynne - talk to me... 18:29, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • A lot of abilities involve hand movements, and telekinesis isn't limited by hand motions, we've seen Sylar use telekinesis without even blinking before. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:31, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • Understood, however, we still need a basis to go off of. Sylar and Peter are the only two that we have properly seen using TK. As a basis, both of them have used their hands more often then not. Angielynne - talk to me... 18:53, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • I'll agree that hand motions are the most commonly used way to use the ability, I just want it to be clear that TK doesn't depend on hand motions. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:56, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • Understood. So, what do we have to go with in the "eye" department? Do we know any other abilites that make eyes glow? Angielynne - talk to me... 19:01, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • Let's see. Santiago's eyes get some glow when he uses his ability, Monica's eye's reflect what she copies, Maya and Alejandro's got black, precogs glow white, Michael Fitzgerald's glowed red, so did Ricardo Silva's. I might've missed something but I think that's about it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:10, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • Hmmm, I was looking for an ability that would either show that each ability manifests differently in each person. Closest to that is Michael Fitzgerald, but he also has the glowing tat's. His compared to Jessica/Nikki is the same ability, but his eyes glow. I don't know. As I said, I do feel that this is TK, and he either has more control over his ability, or maybe less control, as he can't control the power, or chooses to let his eyes glow. Gahhhhhh Angielynne - talk to me... 19:22, 11 February 2009 (EST)
        • We've seen Sylar use TK many times, and never has he used his ability on a liquid even when he should. For instance, wouldn't he have used it if he could do so to avoid the blood splattering all over him when he killed Sue Landers (Our Father)? As to the eyes, many abilities are accompanied with glowing in the comics to show when the power is active. Also, the glowing doesn't affect what the ability does, which is control motion. It's only ever been a kind of a side effect of the ability (Red Eye's glowing red eyes in the iStory video is the best example I can think of), and not the ability itself. In any case, we don't have to worry about the eyes coming into play if we call this vitreohydrokinesis.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • Just to be clear Miami, I was using the word vitreohydrokinesis as sarcasm, as I think it is a terrible name. Why would they give a character the power to move all liquids but th eonly solid he could move is glass? Technicaly glass is a liquid with a very high viscosity, but that's besides the point. We don't even known is the cups were actualy glass, they could have been clear plastic. Just because Sylar has never moved liquid doesn't mean that he is unable to. Seeing as Misha can move solids and liquids, there is no difference between him and Sylar save for the fact that his eyes glow. But we never gave Michael Fitzgerald his own power based on that, so the point is moot. Is it a stretch to say Misha can only manipulate liquid and glass? Absolutley. Is it a huge leap of logic to assume he has TK? No. Just because we haven't seen him move other stuff we shouldn't use that as evidence that he cannot. Ask yourself if the writers would really give someone such a bizzarly specific power over glass and water. (Again, it's speculation to even assume it's glass).--Piemanmoo 19:36, 11 February 2009 (EST)
          • I agree Piemanmoo. I think that this is TK, and have no problem with the redirects that are set up. Angielynne - talk to me... 19:41, 11 February 2009 (EST)
            • Ah, I didn't think of it possibly being clear plastic and not glass. Good point. So we need to keep this as Misha's ability since we don't really know what substances were used and because Sylar has never moved any liquids with TK.--MiamiVolts (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2009 (EST)
              • I'm going to see if I can get any clarification from the writers. No promises on results, but I'm trying. (Admin 19:51, 11 February 2009 (EST))
                • Funny, I was just drafting an email to DJ Doyle. No sense in both of us sending an email. To whom are you writing, Admin? (And for the record, I'm not at all a fan of "vitreohyrdrokinesis". It sounds like a joke, and I'm not even sure it's a word.) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:55, 11 February 2009 (EST)
                  • I'm not talking to a specific writer yet, just someone at NBC who has access to the writing staff and can ask them. Go ahead and send your email, I can't be sure if/when I'd be able to get an answer to this one. (Admin 19:56, 11 February 2009 (EST))
                    • You got it. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:02, 11 February 2009 (EST)
                      • If it's at all possible, do you think you could also ask the names of some of the other abilities with no names? Trevor's, Alejandro's, David's, ect. Might as well get all that jazz out of the way, you know what I mean?--Piemanmoo 20:13, 11 February 2009 (EST)
                        • PMM, I'm assuming you're speaking to Admin. I'm asking DJ about Misha's ability because DJ just wrote Libertad. I won't ask him about the other abilities...However, I will say that I often send out emails to writers and producers to ask them about abilities. Believe me, I know it's at the forefront of a lot of fans' minds. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:18, 11 February 2009 (EST)
                          • Ah, I see. It's a shame we can't just have all the writers settle the big debates right away and save us the headaches, but meh, what can ya do? I suppose we're lucky enough that you guys have some type of contact with the writers at all :), as there's tons of wikis out there with a lot more shitfits than we have with no canon way to finish them so the just rattle on for a long time. --Piemanmoo 20:29, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Doesn't Sylar?

Use telekinesis to move water in the scene where he makes it snow on his mother, I know he freezes the water but doesn't he also move it around her to make it appear it is truly snowing?--Steelymcbeam 22:54, 11 February 2009 (EST)

I think that was just because of the momentum of the water turning into snow and coming out of the jet. Sincerely, Thrashmeister [ U | T | C ] 22:57, 11 February 2009 (EST)

Finally, some answers!

I got this email from DJ Doyle tonight:

I wish I had a cooler explanation, but I wrote Misha's power as telekinesis--the glowing details were the genius touch of Aspen--To, Roslan and Buccellato really knocked it out of the park on this one.

I'll go ahead and make the changes. Thanks DJ! -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:19, 12 February 2009 (EST)

  • You and that network of yours are a godsend, Ryan! :) --SacValleyDweller (talk) 01:48, 12 February 2009 (EST)
    • Thanks Ryan and DJ for the clarity!--MiamiVolts (talk) 02:09, 12 February 2009 (EST)
      • DJ is awesome, isn't he? It was nice to have such a quick response...and one that very clearly answered our question. :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2009 (EST)
        • At least there were answers, I hope it's some time before we're in a situation like this again. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 09:20, 12 February 2009 (EST)
          • Can we ask please this other question: is'nt Misha the owner of the Angry Skunk complaining about Harmon's Rebel-Tags? Is one of the men Milosh? Are they all Rumainians? What is this round object in the hand of the torturer?--Juba 04:35, 14 February 2009 (EST)