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Talk:Faith and religion

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  • "God and religion" seems redundant. Perhaps "Faith and religion" or just "Faith?" (Admin 12:42, 18 March 2007 (EDT))
    • I don't mind "God and religion", since they're not necessarily the same. Take the references to Kali in Monsters, for instance. But "faith" is fine, too. Doesn't really matter to me.... — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
      • I dunno. I can kind of see Admin's point. I mean, Kali is both a god and the subject of a religion, right? I just like "God and religion" because it abbreviates to Gn'R, but that's admittedly not really a reason to keep it where it is.--Hardvice (talk) 14:38, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
        • God is a part of some religions, but not necessarily all. Plus a religion is mostly a specific institution whereas faith is more abstract. I think the article could cover more material changed to "Faith and religion." For instance if one of the characters mentions a "higher power" without actually calling that power God then it wouldn't be accurate to assume that's what they're referring to. (Admin 14:41, 18 March 2007 (EDT))
          • Good point. Yeah, "faith" is fine with me ... unless Candace's nickname ever pops up. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
            • Yeah, that's why afterwards I didn't want to just go with Faith. Instant disambig right there. heh. But I do believe "Faith and religion" covers nicely the intention of the article and is not too unintentionally specific in its title. (Admin 14:45, 18 March 2007 (EDT))

Corinthian Casino

  • This is a good note, but the way it's worded right now makes it sound like the use of "Corinthian" instead of "Corinth" is necessarily meaningful, which it isn't. "Corinthian" is just an adjective meaning "from Corinth". In fact, my guess is that the whole casino is meant to be a nod to the "Venetian" (not "Venice") Casino in real-world Las Vegas, a similarly gawdawful casino which does to poor Venice what the Corinthian appears from its website to do to Corinth. I'm not sure exactly how to reword it to be less speculative, but we should be noting the coincidence, not implying a connection.--Hardvice (talk) 17:23, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
    • That's why I put it shares a name, and at the end the relationship is noted. I never stated it was a factual relationship.--Bob 17:41, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
      • That's just it: the wording (the relationship is noted) makes it sound like it Means Something.--Hardvice (talk) 17:59, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
        • Much better phrasing than mine. Thanks.--Bob 19:10, 23 March 2007 (EDT)
          • No problem. It's a great note; they could have gone with something without a Biblical connotation, after all, and given Tim Kring's background, I doubt they chose it haphazardly--Hardvice (talk) 19:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Lead image

Any one have any ideas for a good lead image? Heroe(talk) 00:21, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

  • Right now, no, nothing. I suppose you could put a picture of Claire talking to the Haitian, or something, but nothing stands out. After .07% airs, I think something like this Jesus imagery would work well. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
    • Jesus imagery? I though he was just filming a Creed video.--Hardvice (talk) 13:46, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
      • That's one messed up Creed video ... Looks like Salvador Dali gone bad. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:40, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
    • The one of Sylar's apartment (I'd completely forgotten all about it!) is a much better image than Isaac "with arms wide open". Less subtle, and quite disturbing. Disturbing is always good. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:01, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Names of Biblical Reference

I really like this section. The writers have said they purposely chose Biblical names, and this is the best place to list them. I'm not sure I'm buying the Thomas→Thompson or Benjamin→Bennet references, but I like the rest. Well done, Ice Vision. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 23:51, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

  • Thanks. I don't know about those two either, it seems kind of far-fetched. I just added because they have their similarities. It's probably just a coincidence though. -- Ice Vision

Are links to Wikipedia entries satisfying enough? Or should the meanings of the names be included on this page, too? Might be important, or at least significant. -- FissionChips 08:03, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Virginia

I thought it was a reference to the Virgin Mary because Virginia's sons name is Gabriel. Those two characters in the Bible are definitely connected. I just wanted to let you know, but you can leave it at that if you want.--Ice Vision 15:55, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

  • I didn't take out the reference, I only softened the speculation. Saying the name probably refers to something without any specific citation is ... a stretch. All I did was change "probably" to "may". — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Oh, I noticed that part. I was just giving the reason why I thought it was a reference, but you can leave it at what it is now.--Ice Vision 20:19, 11 May 2007 (EDT)

Purpose of article

Before the start of Season Three, I didn't think that any characters really thought that their powers came from a super natural being. Most of the references to religion and faith was more of a way to say "I don't know" or "something I don't understand" more then "my faith in God". I think the opening sentence needs to be structured better then it is now "higher power" is a little too broad (that could mean a parent, a boss or someone else in authority). I suggest changing it to super natual. --Pinkkeith 16:17, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

  • Ando has called Hiro's ability a "god send". The Haitian has stated that his and Claire's abilities are gifts from God. Theres are from Season One.--Bob (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
    • Those references are more like saying "I don't know where you got it from, must have come from something I don't understand." Yet, I don't see any of the characters going around and preaching saying how they are chosen ones from a super natural being. In other words, it is not a theme, but a passing reference. It wasn't until Peter starting talking about faith in this season that it started to show as a them. Just my opinon. --Pinkkeith 16:34, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
      • The Haitian is deeply religious, as is Sandra. The Haitian directly states that God (not a god, GOD) gave him and Claire their abilities. Later, when he has the virus, he states that it's punishment from God. Sandra goes into a tirade with Claire and Ted during the end of Season One about God making everyone special when Claire and Ted wonder if God gave them their abilities. Maya becomes a nun because she feels she has to redeem herself to God for killing people. You make it seem like there is no higher belief in God, so they use the word sparingly, when there are deeply religious undertones for characters. A lot of this page is references, I agree. But there are deep religious themes in this show, and that's the point of this article. Also, I think you mean Nathan is preaching this season, not Peter.--Bob (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
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