Talk:Portal:Theories about Evolved Humans

re: Linderman's nationality

Naturalized U.S. citizens can (and do) serve in the U.S. military.--Hardvice (talk) 00:27, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

• Not during a time of the draft. Once the Armed Forces became a volunteer force, then naturalized citizens could volunteer as well. That's why the selective service is a requirement for all 18 year old male citizens who are not naturalized. As a member of the Armed Forces, I need to clarify that. --Bob 12:44, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

It might be a fake accent.JD 21:45, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

• I hadn't even thought it was an English accent until it came here... and I AM English. Hmm. It always sounded like an upper class/refined American accent to me. (Ulicus 12:49, 27 April 2007 (EDT))
  • Heh. The actor's British... hmm. Maybe he's doing an "upper class" American accent but occasionally slipping into his native one? I don't know. Perhaps he's an American who was educated in the United Kingdom.(Ulicus 14:14, 27 April 2007 (EDT))

Niki is a sleeper theory

how exactly is any of that stuff evidence, heroe? i'm going to revert your undone because its stupid to argue that any of that is evidence its not even written in an academic style.JD 21:45, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

Proven theories

on the theories portal it seemed the consense was to remove proven theories whats your reasoning for restoring them?JD 21:45, 24 March 2007 (EDT)

• I certainly wasn't aware of this consensus. Heroe(talk)
• I have to agree with Heroe on this one... Anomy 23:49, 24 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Personally, I like the idea of purging the theories that are proven. If somebody postulates an idea, and it's later proven correct, then it's no longer a theory, but instead it's just true. For instance, image somebody had just watched Genesis and wrote a theory like, "Peter's power is not flight, but the ability to absorb the powers of others." Reading that now, it's like, "Well duh!" There's no point to it on these theories pages. Some will argue that we should make a page for proven theories. That's fine, but isn't that what the whole site is anyway -- just facts? ... I like the idea of taking the proven "theories" off these pages simply because by definition, they're no longer theories. Plus, from a selfish standpoint, it makes cleaning up the pages a heckuva lot easier. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:36, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
    • I have to agree. I have heard a lot of reasons to get rid of them, but I've yet to hear anyone defend keeping them. A discussion where everyone says the same thing is as good as a consensus, no?--Hardvice (talk) 00:47, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
      • Like Ryan and Hardvice i can't see why'd you need to keep them, and its also inconsistent with all the other theory pages, if you want them to reminise, then I would have a problem Proven Theories page, but i would again concur with Ryan, for example one theory i posted was that Malcolm McDowell would play Linderman, I can't see any point for that to remain since on the Linderman page it would be quite clear who played him. JD 07:43, 25 March 2007 (EDT)
        • I cant agree more. We should'nt keep proven theories, don't get the point of their utility... Pretty useless to write in two page the same thing (the real page of the char for exemple and the proven theories page). The only thing that this page could do is making peoples that have posted a theorie which have been proven glad :o --FrenchFlo(talk)(contribs) 09:19, 25 March 2007 (EDT)

Maintenance

Hey, I just made a huge edit re: consistency, spelling, grammar, links, etc. I also removed a few proven theories. If you want to put them back, go ahead, but do it in a new edit, please. And spellcheck yourself! Soleta 14:38, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

• Looks good. One thing to mention: you can do an internal link to an image (like the images of Charlie's birthday party) by preceding the word "image" with a colon ([[:Image:Charlie birthday 1.jpg|1]]). That's to be preferred over an external link to an internal image. In any case, thank you so much for your help cleaning up this page; it's not a task many of us look forward to. At this point, it looks like all this page will need to be considered "cleaned" is moving non-episode/graphic novel citations out of the 'Citation' column, and making sure that all citations are properly formatted and linked.--Hardvice (talk) 15:09, 26 March 2007 (EDT)

Hana's List

Since we know that Suresh's list, at least a vast chunk of it, was stored on his computer, and Hana can access all computer files, (and is only limited from data stored on paper), shouldn't this theory be moved to the Disproven Theories page? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 03/27/2007 17:31 (EST)

• She can't access a computer that cannot connect to the internet or broadcast within her perceptive area. It's like any computer. Now, Chandra's computer in Chennai more than likely was connected to the internet, but the assumption that she can access any computer file is a bit naive.--Bob 19:05, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
  • Suresh had info on his computer of evolved people from all over the world. It would only be naive, to assume that his computer cannot connect to the internet. From prior info given, her 'perception' is worldwide because of the internet and satellites. Just trying to clean up some of the entries that's all. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 03/27/2007 20:53 (EST)
    • From what we've seen of her powers, she has to "look" for information. To me, that makes me think she'd have to know about the list (which she may or may not) to know to look for it. It's certainly not beyond her abilities, but it's far from confirmed.--Hardvice (talk) 23:02, 27 March 2007 (EDT)
  • She was able to 'chat' with Ted even when his computer was not connected to the internet. Also, in War Buddies, Part 1, she says "If it's (the Lonestar File) been converted to a byte or a bit I can find it." I agree with Hardvice, that the only reason that she's not come across it yet, is because she hasn't thought of looking for it.--Havoc 09:01, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
    • She was able to chat with Ted due to proximity. In one of the Wireless GN's, she states that she's out of range to read the contents of a computer for that Zambian doctor. If Ted's not connected to the Internet due to a lack of connectivity to a wireless router, that doesn't mean his computer isn't broadcasting radio waves over a short range, enough for Hana, outside of the shack, to perceive.--Bob 19:41, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

Linderman as Nathan's father

• Nathan was already born before Linderman met Mr. Petrelli in Vietnam, and Linderman was living at home with his parents before joining the military. See War Buddies parts 2 and 6.--Hardvice (talk) 13:07, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Claude Protecting Meredith

• Woudln't the fact that Claude was sent to "bag and tag" Meredith, and the fact that she still survived, be further positive evidence that Claude did protect her? Why is this listed as a minus? --Chickeyd 15:58, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
  • Claude later states in Company Man they were going to bag the "firestarter". The fact that she knew they were coming is unknown. Perhaps because she heard them outside, who knows. Point being is that Claude wouldn't have walked into a blaze if he was hiding her.--Bob 16:04, 3 May 2007 (EDT)

Theory bar

I was thinking about moving the {{theorybar}} at the head of the page. The problem is theories page sooo long it isn't easy to navigate using this bar since it is a the very bottom of the page. I just thought we could move it at the top so that it will be easier to travel from page to page. What do ya think ? -- FrenchFlo (talk)        09:22, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

• That's not a bad idea. It's not really standard to have the navbar at the top, but then again, no too much about the theories pages is standard. :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Re. Candace Wilmer's powers

Since I don't recall any direct indication that Candice was subsumed by Sylar, I question the assertion that he used her illusion power to mimic Nathan. Her powers appear to be mentally based, affecting the brains of those around her. (To Micah: I can make you see what ever I want you to see.) If that's the case, then how would Sylar, having stolen her power and appearing on television as Nathan, be able to affect millions on television? There really has been no indication that her powers have any physical component, other than, possibly, altering light waves, which opens up a whole other can of Deus Ex Machina permutations, but would explain Sylar as Nathan appearing as Nathan on television much more easily than Candice affecting millions of people mentally.

• Sylar specifically said he used her power in FYG. And since her power can fool camera's, it has to be altering light waves. She could probably become invisible if she wanted to...--MiamiVolts (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I believe Candice's ability is similar to Matt's and the Haitian's: it can either be broadcast or it can be directly sent. Matt can listen to the thoughts of several people at once (so much so that it's flooded his mind before) or he can hone his telepathy to listen to the thoughts of just one. Similarly, the Haitian can "broadcast" the ability to stop others' powers from working, or he can hone the ability on a single person's mind, erasing memories. Candice, I believe, can either "broadcast" her ability (affecting everyone around her and fooling electronic equipment) or focus her ability on an individual (like when she "trapped" Micah in the apartment, causing him to go around in circles).--Paronine 15:05, 9 May 2007
    • Candice's abilities easily fall into the "wizard did it" zone; best not try to delve too deeply into how the power works, just take note of what it does. --Ted C 15:10, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Splitsville

So 99 kilobytes is probably a good time to split this page, eh? I can't think of any natural categorization, so howsabout we do, oh, 3 or 4 pages of evolved humans (99÷3=33kb, or 100÷4=25kb). "Theories:Evolved Humans 1" could be A-G, or whatever's a natural fit. Then the backlinks could be easily changed to {{theories|page=EH1}}. The alphabetic divisions shouldn't change too much. For instance, suppose the split is A-G, H-M, N-S, T-Z. If we suddenly get a nice evolved family like the Parrs, that would load us up on "P" names (thanks, Petrellis & Parkmans). But changing the divisions would require a lot of fixing to the theories links on those pages. Short answer: static divisions. Any other thoughts? — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:29, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

• I'd like to give these a thorough scrubbing before we make any splits. I have a hunch that we have a lot of obsolete theories hanging around.--Hardvice (talk) 02:23, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
• Good point. But even a good trim (or a major shave) won't get rid of half the page. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
  • I'm not sure whether interviews by the writers are enough to confirm or invalidate theories? Because there are lots and lots of theories here that have been confirmed or denied in the Comic Book Resources interviews. Renenarciso 16:32, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
    • Unless material from an episode or GN contradicts them, then I'd be inclined to trust interviews - provided that the source is reliable (CBR, etc). Maybe we could add links to the interviews under citations, removing them from the notes column, which would condense descriptions (and save space) - it'd also be a lot easier to read that way. Ultraexactzz 23:30, 31 May 2007 (EDT)