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Wasn't she actually raped?

I've been rather confused on this matter. That coroner or whoever said Claire's body was pulled from Red River Creek, found naked and dragged. While removal of clothes could be to delay the identification of her body, that still highly suggests to me that she was likely raped after she died. She wasn't examined for signs of rape and, not being female, I'm not sure how easy or difficult it is for a girl to tell if she's been violated like such, especially after what Claire's been through. But I'd thought that Brody likely had raped her because he stripped her nude before abandoning her, and that Claire and her dad only had the idea that Brody tried to.. or that Claire did know better but only chose to tell her dad that he tried to force her.

Thus all this time, I've thought that Claire had been rather charitable even when ramming his car straight into a wall, or especially charitable when she decided to apologize to him with the whole two-wrongs-don't-make-a-right bit (which is true and with which I agree, but then all this time I've just been considering Brody the lowest kind of filth who got much much better than he deserved). So was there evidence that Brody didn't actually rape Claire's body and I just missed it? --Glue 05:33, 14 February 2007 (EST)

  • To answer one question, rape kits nowadays are very advanced in detecting whether or not a woman has been raped. As for whether or not Claire was actually raped, that's unconfirmed. We don't know whether Brody stripped Claire, or whether her clothes were shredded while being dragged, if the water currents washed her clothes away, or if something else happened entirely. Brody is scum, but I just don't seem him as a necrophiliac. I think he rapes more as a matter of circumstance than a matter of perverse fetish and addiction. Though definitely a depraved young man, I don't think he's such a predator that he would rape a girl after he accidentally killed her. That said, there's no way to know for sure.

    I'd have to go back and watch the episode and read the GN for a specific mention of "almost" or "tried" or another revealing word. But in the end, I think the writers may have purposely left it somewhat ambiguous. This was not a Boys Don't Cry-style rape, it's meant for television where young viewers sometimes watch. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:09, 14 February 2007 (EST)

Is Knox the rapist?

Angela Stated that level 5 contained Rapists. I was wondering if, Knox's ability is strength enhanced via fear,he could use the huge amount of fear the act of rape would create in his victim, to increase his strength. Just my musings on it. Nothing to actually back it up. He is just the only one who could benefit (for want of a better word) from abusing his victims. --Ronin 10:59, 28 September 2008(GMT)

  • This is pure speculation. Chrisyu357 07:52, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • It's good speculation...but remember that Angela said that in the scrapped second half of Season Two (which also featured Level 5 prisoners), not in any aired episodes. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 08:23, 28 September 2008 (EDT)
  • I think that it was Flint--Cj31094 12:39, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Deletion

It's ironic that a page dedicated to incidents of rape exists, yet no page for murder or any other crime... --Lolwut 16:50, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

  • There a page for death, and many victim pages. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:51, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
    • Lolwut brought this to my attention on my talk page, so I instructed Lolwut to add an afd so it can be discussed and he has done so. I think rape is more an event than a reference. Also, since there has only been one actual rape (Eric Doyle's), that info. can be placed on the Women in Refrigerators page and this page deleted until there are more. Since we don't normally list near-death cases on the death page, it makes sense not to list near-rape cases on the rapes page. I realize rape is a touchy issue (pun not intended), so this article might warrant remaining for that reason, but I think some discussion would be good.--MiamiVolts (talk) 16:58, 15 May 2009 (EDT)
      • I agree with this deletion, from the reasoning that we only list actual rape, in which only two are known. These could easily be added on the women in refrigerators page. --posted by Laughingdevilboy

Talk 17:07, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

        • I disagree with deleting this page. Women in Refrigerators is a listing of abuses against women, which is an extension of Gail Simone's observations about abuses against women in comics. Just because we've only "seen" one rape actually committed doesn't mean that there are not enough references to the event. Putting this somewhere in Portal:Events is a good idea, but I don't think we should try to break this page up and farm it out to fan creations. If the issue is that there are no other pages about crimes, I suggest people check out all the victims pages, and pages like brain removal (which is a page about Sylar's crimes). And if somebody would like to create a page about a crime, that's fine--but not having other pages about crimes (which is false) does not seem like a good reason to delete this page. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 09:31, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
          • No offence, but it baffles me how this page even exists! Even still, just because we've seen it in the show doesn't call for its own page. Otherwise pages for utterly irrelevant objects would exist, i dont know like Noah's glasses or manatees. it seems hugely un-necessary, especially in the case of 'Rape Incidents'. I swear noone has ever been raped in Heroes anyway. --Lolwut 12:34, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

IceGhost78 i dont remember doyle raping anyone, was this in nowhere man?

Puppet with No Strings. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:26, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Doyle never raped anyone. All we can see is the woman taking off her bra, she may have even consented it, who knows. this is just a pure example of a completely unneccessary page. noone has EVER been raped in heroes, why should we document it even if they have. if anything, this page should be called 'attempted rape' which still has only happened once. wow, big number. --Lolwut 13:47, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
    • Doyle very clearly used his ability on the woman, the caption said he began using his ability to get anything he wanted, in the panel, the woman is moving her hands the same way he is, the panels before it have captions that say directly what he's getting with his ability, it's very clear that Doyle forced her. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:50, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
    • That still doesnt mention anything about sex at all, I don't deny he is using his ability, from my exp getting to 3rd base doesn't mean a home run. regardless, saying he had sex, or even raped her is very speculative, and i know how we all hate speculation, amirite --Lolwut 05:32, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
      • Oh, of course he didn't rape her, he just wanted to glance at her breasts. =\ -- Altes 11:14, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
      • Also, that's second base.--PJDEP 17:56, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Well now that we're clear on the fact that there has been an example (in my opinion there have been several) of rape or potential rape in the Heroes universe, I'm going to go ahead and remove the tag for deletion.--Steely McBeam - (talk) 07:49, 5 July 2009 (EDT)

  • It's quite obvious you guys kinda like this page. --Lolwut

Sylar?

Shouldn't it be noted that Sylar has several times forced Sexual Activity on Claire? Such as kissing her. —Alessia33 02:43, 25 June 2010 (EDT)

The first time he kissed her was I believe in "The Invisible Thread" while they were in that room where Peter,Nathan and Sylar fought and where Nathan got his throat slit by Sylar. And yes, Kissing someone the way he was doing it, that's a Sexual Act. It wasn't a family kiss or anything. Alessia33 16:27, 25 June 2010 (EDT)

I don't remember, was he kissing her on the Forehead?Lips?Was he doing it as a Sexual Act? What I'm saying is he Sexually kissed Claire, that would be defined as Sexual Activity because it wasn't a family thing or anything like that. Alessia33 17:02, 25 June 2010 (EDT)

Family Kiss doesn't have to be Blood Related...And where did Angela come from? I'm talking about Sylar and Claire. So why are you just trying to piss me off? 0.o It feels like you are 0.o Alessia33 17:13, 25 June 2010 (EDT)

Name change to "Sexual assault"

Building off of the discussion above, I'd like to suggest that the name of this article be changed to "sexual assault", as I think the current title is too specific. While there are some incidents of near-rape in Heroes, some (including the ones being discussed above) can't be so specifically categorized. Doyle's bit in that graphic novel, for example. We don't know for certain that he was going to rape her as all we see is him forcing her to take off her bra. While it can be implied that he was going to go all the way, we don't know for certain. If the page was called something a little less specific, we could write something more fitting like "Doyle forces a woman to remove her bra, presumably intending to go further" without making the somewhat speculative claim that he raped her. Thoughts?--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 17:31, 25 June 2010 (EDT)

I would like to switch the Articles name as well because Rape is Forced Sex and there's been more then that on Heroes. Like you said above, we don't know if Doyle went further with it. I think Sexual Assault is the best name. Alessia33 15:51, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

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