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{{power names|2|eos=The name is explicitly listed in [[Julien Dumont]]'s [[assignment tracker]] profile.<br>The introduction to ''[[Revolutionary War, Part 2]]'' says that [[Evan]] creates clones}}
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"Clone" appears in the novel introduction. Adam uses "replicate" in the novel. Either "Cloning" or "Replication" is probably acceptable, and either one is based on a near-canon source. Any strong opinions?--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:50, 27 November 2007 (EST)
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* My "opinions" are stated on [[Talk:Duplication]].--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 03:52, 27 November 2007 (EST)
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* '''To head off any unnecessary discussion, the ''only'' options are "cloning", "replication", or "duplication", as those names are used in a near-canon source. No other names can be considered, no matter how wicked-cool you think they are, unless they come from an episode.'''--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 04:06, 27 November 2007 (EST)
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* cloning. the seems the most fitting name for the ability. well, lets be honest, cloning means: "the process of creating an identical copy of something. In biology, it collectively refers to processes used to create copies of DNA fragments (molecular cloning), cells (cell cloning), or organisms." '''"Self replication"''' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replication) seems to be the most precise term possible tho :D
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==I hate to bring this up again, but...==
On Edgar's list seen in [[Episode:Let It Bleed|Let It Bleed]], Eli is said to have the power to replicate. Now, Eli has been called a replicator multiple times in the show. With all the changes made to naming convention lately, I don't know if this is a good time to bring this up, but I think we should at least discuss it a little. -{{User:Vampirate68/sig}} | 15:13, 6 January 2010 (EST)
*I'd normally agree with you about this, but there are some issues. Julien has an assignment tracker noting his ability as Cloning, and we all know the assignment tracker is God. It was confirmed that Eli and Julien have the same ability, so I'm not sure whether it would be possible to change the name. I'm fine with either I suppose.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 15:23, 6 January 2010 (EST)
**Same here, I don't care if we call it Replication or Cloning, but I just figured I'd bring it up since no one else had. -{{User:Vampirate68/sig}} | 15:26, 6 January 2010 (EST)


***It seems more like two different powers to me. I know that it probably won't happen, but I think that "Cloning" is what Julien has and that "Replication" is what Eli has. I know they are similar abilities, but there are also a lot of differences:
==Merged talk from [[Talk:Duplication]]==
#Eli has to focus to keep his clones "alive" (the clones disappeared when he was rendered unconscious) while Julien's clones' existence isn't linked to Julien's level of consciousness.
===Name?===
#Eli can create clones in his immediate vicinity (exact limits still unknown) while Julien's clones emerge from his body.
* [[Duplication]]
#The clones that appear are completely different: Julien's are organic and independent of his mind (mostly, they even exhibit different personality traits and have independent thought). Eli's, on the other hand, seem to be linked to his mind and are like extensions of it. They are able to relay information back to Eli and carry out Eli's will without the need for verbal communication. Eli's clones are also just "shells" without blood or bone.
* [[Replication]]
#A strong point for the name difference of the two is that when Eli "replicates" himself, he can also "replicate" objects (like a gun). Julien's clones are more like actual clones and he only clones of himself, so his ability should be "Cloning".
* [[Cloning]]
All of these are mentioned in some way in the GN (none directly, just "duplicates," "replicates," "clones"). I could go either way, but the page should be moved (if necessary) to the "correct" page, and the others should be redirects.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 03:48, 27 November 2007 (EST)


There are probably a few more examples, but I think there is enough that the two should be separate abilities. Again, this is just what I think. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Bender|Bender]] 22:47, 6 January 2010 (EST)
Okay, someone created cloning (I made mine first!), but it's better than mine, so I guess merging won't be necessary.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 03:51, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*I actually suggested this last month, I had more or less the same ideas you had. However, even though most of the community thought we should seperate them into two seperate abilities, we were given a statement by Howie Kaplan who wrote the first series of graphic novels where Eli was introduced. Basically, he said that although there were differences, they were ultimately the same power. We can't really argue with that.--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] - [[User Talk:PJDEP|Need further explanation?]] 23:34, 6 January 2010 (EST)
* I just went with "cloning" because it was already redlinked from [[Evan]]. I actually prefer duplication or replication because they're less "loaded" than cloning, but it's really all about the same to me. If anything, we could go with "replication" because it appears in the text of the novel, while the other two only appear in the introduction, but I don't think that really matters.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 03:57, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*I was among those pushing to separate the abilities, but the writers confirmed that they are the same. Additionally, the AT is a better source for information than Edgar (who writes "Fire-Breathing Family: breathes fire"). --[[User:Ricard Desi|Ricard Desi]] ([[User talk:Ricard Desi|t]],[[Special:Contributions/Ricard Desi|c]]) 14:17, 7 January 2010 (EST)
* For now, I'll go ahead and merge these two articles under "cloning" and we can go with whatever name people like later, just to keep the discussion centralized.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 04:00, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** I started the term cloning (on the evan page), but I do prefere replication [[user:Dman dustin|Dman Dustin]]
***Since the graphic novel introductions have never been considered very reliable, are often filled with dubious information, and are definitely not written by the author of the graphic novel, I would feel much more comfortable using the term used by [[Oliver Grigsby]] himself. He used the word "replicate", so I'm under the impression that the best name for the power is "replication". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 05:34, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**** Cloning just sounds... too... I don't know, scientific? Not the word I was looking for. >_> Let's just say I'm a way bigger fan of Duplication. --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 06:17, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**** I agree with Ryan, given the content of the graphic novel "replication" looks like the best name to me as well. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 09:43, 27 November 2007 (EST))
*Replication or Duplication, gets my vote. Duplication is the name of the power from the Marvel Comics (Multiple Man). Cloning just strikes of controversy. --[[User:Snow Leapord|Snow Leapord]] 07:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**To me, 'duplication' has more of a 'cloning oneself' connotation, to it than 'replication'. Out of this story's context, if I heard someone had the power of 'duplication', I would think 'Cloning'. If I heard someone had the power of 'replication', I would think they could touch a toaster sitting on the shelf, and replication 12 more toasters....(aka not cloning)....kinda like the 'replicators' on '''Star Trek'''. What about using 'cloning' as an adjective of 'duplication', and then calling the power 'Clonal Duplication'. Variations of both words are GN Canon, and by combining them together as the name of the power, there is no doubt or confusion as to what the power is. (In other words, no context is needed to understand what the power does). <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 11/27/2007 09:22 (EST)</small>
*I like Replication. When I think 'Cloning' I think of DNA. We don't know if this connection to DNA exists, especially when given the era. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 11:18, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** The novel said that not only did he create duplicates of himself, but that the duplicates were clones. I'd say cloning is the best description of his ability.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 12:07, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*I would go with Self-Replication or Self-Duplication. Clonig makes me think he can clone other things, not himself. Modestoddesy 13:56, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** Neither, unfortunately, is used in the graphic novel. Please confine the discussion to '''Cloning''', '''Replication''', or '''Duplication'''.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:02, 27 November 2007 (EST)

==The three choices don't most accurately convey the GN naming given==
The Graphic novel doesn't explicitly say ''Cloning'', nor ''Replication'', nor ''Duplication''.
It rather, uses variations of those words in two phrase. ("Duplicates of him'''self''', clones"; AND "replicate him'''self'''").
Therefore, the most accurate descriptive name for this power, '''should be''' a variation that most closely matches that presented from the graphic novel.
'''Using a single word, any of the three suggested, creates ambiguity''' of the power, which the Graphic Novel itself doesn't, because ''the graphic novel itself qualifies the term variations with 'himself' '''.
Modestoddesy is correct, the single-word discussion choices aren't the most accurate choices conveyed by the Graphic Novel itself.
<br>The choices should be, based on the graphic Novel which says verbatim: ("Duplicates of himself, cloning") AND ("replicate himself")
* "Self-Duplication"
* "Self-Replication"
* '''"Self-Replication (Cloning)"''' .....the most accurate choice, given from the GN itself: from the exact quote ''"'''Duplicates''' of him'''self''', '''clones'''"'' <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 11/27/2007 14:29 (EST)</small>
* That's a fair point. There's no way we'd use a power name with a parenthetical, though--it's just too awkward to use in sentences and the like, necessitating a bunch of piping or redirects. But you're right, "self-replication" or "self-duplication" is probably acceptable. I'm just trying to keep these name discussions from degenerating into the usual "oh how about (name X which has no source) because it sounds cool" like all the others, when we clearly ''do'' have a near-canon option (three, actually).--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 14:38, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** I'd go with Replication over duplication (even though I personally prefer this) or cloning (kinda weird in a DNA-based show for a power name), mostly since the intro wasn't written by the GN writer (just, presumably, an NBC exec). Barring that, I'd agree with Self-Replication for the same reason.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 17:55, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*** I don't mind, and rather prefer self-cloning over the two alternatives. I should point out, though, that for other powers, we don't specify whether the power is only applicable to oneself (i.e. self-flight vs. flight).--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:59, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**** Duplication is definitely the best choice. Not only does it say it in the intro, it's a common power title like Flight or Invisibility... and I already [[Heroes Wiki Heroes#Duplication|made it]] >_>.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:12, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*****The thing is that by itself, Duplication or Replication aren't very precise. What is he replicating? Other stuff? Can he hold a fishbowl and repicate it into two identical fishbowls? '''Self-Replication''' is the most appropriate description of the power in my opinion. Duplication means splitting into two, while Repication means splitting into multiple parts. And the ''Self'' prefix is needed, for the above reason. Even though Self-Replication was never explicitly said in the GN, no other ones were given either, so we must make do with something close to the original. So while Cloning sounds cool, it's not as accurate as Self-Replication.--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 18:20, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****** Duplicating doesn't mean split in two? It means to make an identical copy? Duplication is the common works title for the power. If you want to add a "Self" to the beginning, go ahead, but it doesn't make much sense in that it's as precise as it needs to be. Just like the ability of Flight or Invisibility, it's a common name and noone will mistake it.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:27, 27 November 2007 (EST)
* Are the introductions written by NBC or by the graphic novel writers? If it's not written by the writer then it actually falls between #2 and #3 on the naming convention list above and then cloning is off the table since the other terms are of higher precedence. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:26, 27 November 2007 (EST))
** It's a part of the actual comic, like the illustrated ad for Nissan, I'd assume it was the writers.--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***To be fair, "Duplicates" was part of the intro, and only the term "replicates himself" was used in the GN text. It was Mr. Gibson Stewart who stated above that the writer ([[Oliver Grigsby]]) wasn't responsible for the intro, which I'm not sure is true or not. It would be a shame if it were true (they gave away Evan's power too soon!).--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 18:31, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***The introductions are written by NBC, ''not'' by the graphic novel writers. NBC has a history of making mistakes and not being factual (remember when D.L. was a shapeshifter?)...I recall [[Mark Sable]] saying something about being upset with one of the introductions for one of the [[Blackout]]s--not so much upset, but just that it wasn't what he wanted. I don't know if that's the case with every graphic novel, but I'll point out that the intros often do not "match" the style of the novel itself. Personally, any of the three names are fine with me, but if we're going with canon (or near-canon) sources, I'd say we'd have to stick with "replication". I could also stretch that to allow for "self-replication" if people feel strongly about it, but I think "replication" by itself is just fine. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:32, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****Just read this. We need to update the rename, then. "Duplicate" and "clone" are at best secondary sources.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:36, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** Actually, if the intro pages aren't "official", then the only options are "replication" or "self-replication". 'Duplicate" also only appears on the intro page. In this case, we can of course simply err on the side of caution by choosing "Replication" or "Self-replication", in which case we don't have to worry about who writes the intros.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 18:33, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***Like I said, I'm not sure who writes the intro in every case, but I can tell you it wasn't Mark Sable for ''[[Blackout]]'', and my guess is it's the same for the other GNs. This intro really bugged me because it told me the big reveal before I even read the novel. In fact, I first read the intro on Heroes Wiki, and I was upset because I thought somebody must have spoiled the novel or put the summary in the intro section. My guess is it wasn't written by Ollie. Even if it was, you're right Hardvice, it's best to err on the side of caution. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 18:40, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****Well, I guess from now on I'll be skipping page 1.--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 18:42, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****It's upsetting that we're using little tidbits of speech for powers lately when there are common names for the powers that people will actually search for. It'd be odd searching for Duplication and being redirected. I think this should be a case where the common title should apply =/--[[User:Riddler|Riddler]] 18:44, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***** That's the problem. Common names are subjective and when you've got subjective names then people can never agree on a single name. That's why we've been developing these heuristics we can use to more effectively name a power in the absense of them explicitly naming the power. On a wiki focusing on Heroes it makes sense to use the names they provide (following the naming convention precedence of course) as the name of the actual article. If searching is an issue then redirects are always possible. We're just concerned with the name of the article itself. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 18:54, 27 November 2007 (EST))
******Its all the same thing, if you were to ask me Duplication is the best thing because Duplication is taking one thing and making an exact copy of it right then and there. Where I think of Cloning as taking a nucleus of one cell and implanting it into an embryo and having someone grow up a normal life having the exact genetic structure. But in common language they are one and the same so it doesn't really make a difference.
*****Why is it odd to search for something and be redirected? That seems completely natural to me, and is a great way to take care of the issue. There's nothing wrong with calling the power "cloning" in an article ("After [[cloning]] himself, [[Evan]] fought more.") What we're really talking about here is the name of this page and what we call it on articles like our [[list of abilities]] and in Evan's infobox. Redirects are designed specifically so that they will all point to the correct location. I love that a person can come to this site, and a search for [[photographic reflexes]], [[muscle mimicry]], and [[adoptive muscle memory]] all point to the same page. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:30, 27 November 2007 (EST)

==Rename, Pt. II==
Let's just start this over. Since we now know (or at least have reason to believe) that the introduction is written by NBC, the only options are '''Replication''' or '''Self-replication'''. Discuss. Please confine yourself to these two or some other variant of "replicate himself", because that's our only near-canon source. Personally, I can see the appeal of either. I tend to think the "self-" is a bit superfluous because, as pointed out above, we don't have "self-flight", and the article itself is the best place to make the limitations of the power known. That said, I could go either way.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 19:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)
* [[Replication]] (simple enough?)--[[User:Tim Thomason|Tim Thomason]] 19:15, 27 November 2007 (EST)
** Sorry for the tone. These discussions begin to grate after a while. One can only say the same thing and point people to the same (evidently unread) help pages so many times before one snaps, I guess.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 19:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***The tone is warranted and not as harsh as you might think. I prefer "replication", but I'm not opposed to adding "self"--I just don't think it's necessary. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 19:32, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**** Since those are the only two options, I prefer "replication" for reasons stated previously.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 19:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***** It should definitely be self-replication (imo) and definitely not cloning since Adam says he replicates himself. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 19:39, 27 November 2007 (EST)
******Without the self prefix, it's easy to see someone confusing it for being able to replicate other stuff such as bowling balls, cars, and DVD players. If you were to describe the power most people would say "He makes copies of himself" not just [[Copy_Kingdom_manager|"He makes copies"]], so the Self-Replication might be important. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 19:52, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*******I concur. [[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 19:53, 27 November 2007 (EST)
******** Same here. --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 20:45, 27 November 2007 (EST)
********* Ditto to the defense of self-replication.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 00:13, 28 November 2007 (EST)
* My primary concern, is because so many Star Trek fans watch Heroes (Hiro being a big Star Trek fan), the entire concept of 'Replication' keeps bringing food replicators to mind, without the 'self' qualification. My secondary concern, is that eventually a person will show up who can replicate objects, but not himself...thus again creating ambiguity and naming confusion. '''Self-Replication''', however, alleviates both concerns, without needing any external explanation. 'Self-Flight' really doesn't compare, because flight by its nature in sci-fi/fantasy genre, is an attribute of an individual. 'Self' is assumed and understood when someone is said to have the power of flight. Outside of the Heroes genre and this discussion, if someone said that a new hero that noone is familiar with named 'Captain Kickbutt' has the power of replication; that would require us to ask 'self-replication' or 'replication of objects'? By listing the power as '''Self Replication''', no confusion nor explanation is needed. <small>--[[User:HiroDynoSlayer|HiroDynoSlayer]] ([[User talk:HiroDynoSlayer|talk]]) 11/27/2007 20:02 (EST)</small>
* Here comes the huge argument. I can predict the future. You guys can't decide on a name, and this renaming thing will continue -- for a very long time.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 20:37, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**I'm not sure who you mean by "you guys", unless you're referring to the entire community minus yourself. But if it takes a long time, I suppose that's the way of the wiki; fortunately, when we're done, we can be satisfied that everybody has had their voice heard and that we've come as close to consensus as possible. I don't expect, in this case, that the process will take very long, though. It's really a matter of choosing between "replication" and "self-replication". Most of us seem to have an opinion, but not really care too much one way or the other. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:48, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*** I guess I am actually including myself when I said "you guys". I've been a part of these name discussions, too. And, they don't turn out too pretty. Perhaps I was exaggerating when I said that this would take a long time. I must say, it seems like a consensus is going to be decided rather quickly. Choosing between "replication" and "self-replication" should be simple.--[[User:Ice Vision|Ice Vision]] 21:20, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****Let's hope so. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:28, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***** I think a big part of the problem in the past is that the rules weren't laid out very clearly, nor were they adhered to all that well. The reason I'm making a point of repeating them and trying to structure the discussion is to save us all time and effort. Rather than wasting time arguing about dozens of names which don't fit the convention, we can focus on discussing those that do. I really hope it's not coming across as pushy or domineering; I'm just trying to help us streamline what has in the past proved a painful and protracted process.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 21:32, 27 November 2007 (EST)

==Clone is a bit different that Replication==
*Sorry for going scientific again but I think you'll agree. If someone or something creates a "clone" they create a replication. but from when they are first created. For instance when you clone a sheep it'll grow up to be exactly like the original but it has to start from birth. Replication is pretty much what Evan does. Thought this bit might help. [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 22:13, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**So I'm for Replication. [[User:Jason Garrick|Jason Garrick]] 22:15, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***Anything that proves the name needs to be changed is okay with me. =D --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 23:20, 27 November 2007 (EST)
****I second that :-) --[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 23:44, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**The word "clone" has been around for awhile. I don't think it's limited to the way it's been used in recent scientific advancements. However, I do think it has a problem. The power as we've seen it so far seems to be that one single self, one conscious being, continues to exist in all of Evan's duplicates. The word clone doesn't work as well for that, as I see it. A clone would be an identical person, but not the very same self. Replication might be better.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 23:48, 27 November 2007 (EST)
***I love that we're continuing to have a discussion about a name that's out of the running. *Sigh*. --[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 23:51, 27 November 2007 (EST)
**** Well, at least it's a discussion that's rooting against the name that is already out of the running. ;)--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:54, 27 November 2007 (EST)
*****But really, I wish we could just get people to simply talk about the difference between "replication" and "self-replication". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:04, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*****I'm for '''replication''' [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 23:55, 27 November 2007 (EST)
******I also prefer "replication" over "self-replication". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:04, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*******If it's just replication, then it's implied he can replicate things other than himself. Self-replication for me. --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 00:55, 28 November 2007 (EST)
********Of course, we don't know that he can't replicate other objects, and we ''do'' know that his replicants come complete with clothes and weapons, so maybe "self-replication" is ''too'' restrictive. He can replicate at least ''some'' items, after all--those he's wearing or carrying when he creates a clone, evidently.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Autokinesis ==
*'Nuff said.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 00:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)
** You're kidding right? --{{User:Heroe/sig}} 00:25, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*** Obviously. It clearly should be "Self-autokinesis".--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:56, 28 November 2007 (EST)
**** Actually, after I wrote it I thought "dittokinesis" might be better. But I didn't want to go back and change it just to string the joke along. There's also a part of me that would rather not admit it's a joke just to see if anybody might still take the bait.--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:10, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== consensus check ==

<u>Replication</u> <br>
#[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:57, 28 November 2007 (EST)
#[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)
#{{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 05:37, 28 November 2007 (EST)<br>
#[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 01:07, 29 November 2007 (EST)
#[[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 23:12, 29 November 2007 (EST)

<u>Self-Replication</u> <br>
#{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:27, 28 November 2007 (EST)
#--[[User:E rowe|E rowe]] 11:12, 28 November 2007 (EST)
#--[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 16:25, 28 November 2007 (EST)
#--[[User:Random guy|Random guy]] 03:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)

It might be too early in the game to put this up however, this may need to be here later on. anyway, my vote is for Self-Replication to make sure it is specific enough to make it clear at a glance what the power does while reflecting the canon description at the same time. (btw, [http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/races/links/replicators.shtml these] and [http://www.gateworld.net/omnipedia/races/links/replicatorshumanoid.shtml they] are also replicators in addition to [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Replicator this];) )--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:27, 28 November 2007 (EST)
* whoops, late in the game I guess. @u@--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:31, 28 November 2007 (EST)
**It's not too late for a consensus check. The page was moved simply because "cloning" was lower on the hierarchy than "replication" or variants of it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:37, 28 November 2007 (EST)
***cool!--{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:42, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== I Know I'll Get Shot For This... ==

If it's just "replication," doesn't that hint at the fact he can replicate things or people other than himself? *Puts up flame shield* --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 00:38, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*I agree whole heartedly for the above reasons --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 00:40, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*Why would you get shot for that? That's really the whole point of the name discussion. We're talking about "replication" vs. "self-replication". -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:44, 28 November 2007 (EST)
** Because the name got changed and finalized and I felt like I reopened a closed case. =P --[[User:AnotherNella|AnotherNella]] 00:48, 28 November 2007 (EST)
*** Don't worry, some of these cases are never closed... ;) that being said, if we decide to add "self" to this we should have a consistant policy as to when "self-" should or shouldn't be used. I think it's unnecessarily restrictive, and the "self-" part makes the word uncanon. Another alternative may be to reword it as "Replicant creation", although I'm not sure if "replicant" was a word using in the novel.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:09, 28 November 2007 (EST)
**** As Hardvice just correctly point out [[Talk:Replication#Clone is a bit different that Replication|above]], Evan did replicate the clothes he was wearing and his sword/weapons, so perhaps he could replicate other people if they were touching him too...replication by itself is sounding better to me all the time.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:19, 28 November 2007 (EST)
***** I agree. Self-replication may be more precise, but in this case that precision may be leading to speculation. "Replication" leaves open the possibility that he can replicate other things/people without affirmatively declaring that he can. This may be a case where we need to be a little vague, and explain the observed limits (he's only replicated himself, his clothing, and his weapons) in the article.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:39, 28 November 2007 (EST)
******Good point. Plus, the difference between [[healing]] and [[rapid cell regeneration]] is a perfect example of when we haven't used the "self" prefix and things still work out. We really do have characters who can heal themselves and those who can heal others. If a character comes along who can replicate objects and not himself, then we'll cross that bridge at that point--I would hope the writers would point us in the direction of a name that's different enough from "replication". But I hadn't really thought of "self-replication" as being too restrictive. It certainly does have a bit of speculation inherent in its name, doesn't it? -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 05:37, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Different clothes and weapons ==
In fact ... on closer inspection, the clone he's currently spawning in the lead image may be wearing ''different'' clothes than his (are those shirt sleeves or jacket sleeves? He's definitely not wearing his hat.) (Some of the others have different clothes and weapons, too, but they could have changed/grabbed other weapons, so that's not really an issue). Curious. It seems he may not be limited to objects he's touching or wearing after all.--[[User:Hardvice|Hardvice]] <small>[[User talk:Hardvice|(talk)]]</small> 01:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)
* Yeah, those clones could have changed what they are wearing or wielding, but I added a note about that possibility and also that whether he could replicate living things was unknown. It would be cool to find out that Evan could replicate a younger version of himself and thus cheat death...--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 02:00, 28 November 2007 (EST)
**Good points. That's enough to convince me. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 05:37, 28 November 2007 (EST)

== Could Evan be weakening himself everytime a copy is made ==

#Although Evan may look healthy that is simply a copy not the original. Could the original be dying?
:Speculation [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 19:08, 12 December 2007 (EST)

== New Replicator ==
The guy in graphic novel 88 seems to be able to do it as well...my net connection is hella slow so I'll have to let someone else go back and track down his name.--[[User:ASEO|ASEO]] 14:32, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
* Yeah, though it could also be cloning, Connie disguising several people as the same person, identical septuplets, a cult of people who had plastic surgery to look alike, or a number of other scenarios.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 15:46, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
** Could be, but those scenarios seem less likely. The show seems to favor the straightforward, and those are a little less that straight forward. At any rate, what say we put Julien in here as a suspected replicator? --{{User:SacValleyDweller/sig}} 15:57, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
*** We can't put Julien as a suspected replicator since it hasn't been confirmed that those are his duplicates. It does make for a good and likely theory, though. So a theory page for Julien is a very good idea, imho.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 17:38, 3 June 2008 (EDT)
**** Yeah, I didn't read it and think that Julien had this power. I thought that he had the power to sense something or other (maybe like [[Molly]]'s [[clairvoyance]]?) and that somebody ''else'' had the power to replicate. Difference is (in my mind) that Evan could replicate himself, this other person could replicate others. Bottom line, there's definitely a power going on here, we just don't know whose it is, or the specifics of it. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:45, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
**** Indeed. I had thought of [[clairvoyance]] as a possibility for Julien's ability too. See [[Theory:Julien Dumont]] for the related arguments.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 22:07, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== Duplicates ==

* With [[Evan]]'s [[replication]] his replicants were able to also replicate, right? We don't have any proof that the same is true for [[Julien]]'s replicants, right? ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 01:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT))
** Correct and correct. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 01:26, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
*** Right. If it wasn't clear, Ollie Grigsby confirmed on 9thWonders that Evan's duplicates could replicate, but said he would not discuss Julien's ability at the time.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 01:43, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Vegetative... ==

Gael Cruz mentioned "[Julien] can vegetatively replicate himself.", so the most descriptive name with the least amount of speculation is "Vegetative replicate." This makes Evan's ability and Julien's ability different. Take a look at this [[:Image:Powers evan an army of me.jpg|panel]] of Evan duplicating himself - his replicate came directly out of his body. Julien, however, replicate by "growing" other replicate like a plant does and he must connect to his duplicate by what seems to be branches. Conclusion: Julien's ability is not Evan's, s0 we need a new article for Julien's ability. [[User:Chrisyu357|Chrisyu357]] 05:41, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Let's wait until the assingment tracker for Julien comes up, then we'll worry about new articles. --[[User:Piemanmoo|Piemanmoo]] 06:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Cloning vs. Replication vs. Duplication ==

Any of these names can be used interchangeably, as all three have appeared in the ''Heroes'' world. ''[[Revolutionary War, Part 2]]'' and Julien's [[assignment tracker]] profile say things like "replicants", "clones", and "duplicates". Since we have to choose one name for the article title, we choose "Cloning" since that's what it explicitly says in the AT2.0 profile. But there's no reason to necessarily prefer one name over the other. In other words, [[Hartsdale duplicate]] is just a valid as [[Hartsdale clone]]. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
* As long as we preserve that Evan's and Julien's abilities are different, then I'm fine with using the same name (cloning). However, although it is technically correct to say you can clone inorganic items, such as weapons or clothing like Evan could, it is not common usage so I could agree with a split as well. I don't really have a preference for splitting over keeping the same name, or vice versa; but if we do split, I think the name for Evan's ability should be "replication".--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:12, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
** The products from Evan using his power were called "clones". However, I plan to ask [[Ollie Grigsby]] specifically about the power (though holy cow, that assignment tracker gave us a ton of information!) since he wrote ''[[Revolutionary War]]'' and ''[[Root and Branch]]''. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 23:28, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
*** On the more meta-level, I wanted to say that as a whole the writers have been very generous in accomodating us when it comes to helping to explicitly document and name these abilities. Sometimes the info comes out through the assignment tracker, sometimes through Ryan's excellent interviews, but whenever they seem to be able to provide us information that is helpful they do. I'm very impressed with the degree to which the staff of Heroes is responsive to the fans of the show. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 23:37, 11 June 2008 (EDT))
**** Yeah, their responsiveness is very good. I was very impressed with the detail and it was a nice touch on all the omitted "classified" information.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 23:47, 11 June 2008 (EDT)
***** You know, they're all just a bunch of nerds like we are. That's why their details are so intense, and that's why ''Heroes'' rocks. That's meta. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:00, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
If Dumont's control is at 90%, then is Evan at 100? Because Evan just...''cloned''. Dumont had to spend (what look like) weeks to incubate his. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 03:48, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
* It's hard to say. We really don't know what "control index" means since it's a concept that has never been referred to anywhere outside the assignment tracker pages. I would assume it something to do with how much control Julien has over the power, but it could mean a number of other things. Even still, the amount of time it takes for a clone to mature really might not have much to do with the control index. Perhaps Evan just spontaneously cloned and had no control over how many replicants he made, whereas Julien can decide how many clones to make, etc. Julien's assignment tracker profile also hints that there's a connection between the root and the branches, so perhaps Julien has some control over what his clones do (despite some going rogue).<p>In the end, it's a lot of fun speculation. We really don't know what the number means, what exactly is being controlled, and how Julien's control index compares to Evan's power, which is subtly different than Julien's power. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 11:16, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
** It might just be me but I don't think we're supposed to look into things like the control index too much, personally I think they're just there as a nice extra for the assignment page, or maybe for rough comparisons between similar evolved humans, like Peter and Sylar. -- {{User:Friskymuffin/Sig}} 11:40, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

== Clothes ==

"The clones Sabine finds surrounding Julien do not appear to be clothed." They sure look like they're wearing pants to me--the same pants the root is wearing, mind you! :) -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:22, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
* Oops, I just reworded that. I also took out the part saying "oneself", since we don't know whether or not Julien can clone his clothing. Besides which, Evan can clone other items besides his clothing so we should not be too restrictive.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:26, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Multiplicity ==

I suggest the name Multiplicity. On an interveiw I heard [[Kristen Bell]] use that word to describe cloning. --[[User:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]]
*We have an AT profile and a GN calling it cloning. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:15, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Contradictory Near Cannon Sources ==

In the [[Rebellion, Part 5|recent GN]] it was said that [[Julien]] could replicate, with [[Adam]] [[Revolutionary War, Part 2|saying the same about]] [[Evan]] and cloning used only once in [[Assignment Tracker 2.0/Julien Dumont|Julien's assignment tracker]], does this mean this should be renamed to Replication? or does the company files trump GN's? If so this may mean that naming conventions need to be updated to include assignment trackers or would it simply be fine to make a not of this on the cloning page that this ability is referred to as replication? --{{User:Laughingdevilboy/signature}} 10:31, 16 June 2009 (EDT)
*well if both of these sources are correct than we should vote on which one. --[[User:Tsmarg|Tsmarg]]

== Glad to see Cloning make a comeback ==
Is anyone else glad to see cloning make a return to the world of Heroes? I always thought that this was one of the coolest powers in the graphic novels. {{User:Vampirate68/sig}} 18:12, 24 November 2009 (EST)

== No blood or bones ==
Is this really Eli's power? Did Evan's or Julien's clones not have blood, bones and not need to breathe?--[[User:PJDEP|PJDEP]] 21:26, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Latest revision as of 06:00, 24 February 2010

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine cloning's name.
Source/Explanation
The name is explicitly listed in Julien Dumont's assignment tracker profile.
The introduction to Revolutionary War, Part 2 says that Evan creates clones.
Archives Archived Topics
Nov-Dec 2007 [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 1#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]]

Jun 2008-Jun 2009 [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 2#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]]

Nov 2009-Dec 2009 [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:&]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:|

Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

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Extension:DynamicPageList3 (DPL3), version 3.6.1: Error: MediaWiki\Extension\DynamicPageList3\Query::buildAndSelect: The DynamicPageList3 extension (version 3.6.1) produced a SQL statement which led to a Database error.<br/>The reason may be an internal error of DynamicPageList3 or an error that you made; especially when using parameters like 'categoryregexp' or 'titleregexp'. Usage of non-greedy <code>*?</code> matching patterns are not supported.<br/>The error message was:]] • [[Talk:Cloning/Archive 3#

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I hate to bring this up again, but...

On Edgar's list seen in Let It Bleed, Eli is said to have the power to replicate. Now, Eli has been called a replicator multiple times in the show. With all the changes made to naming convention lately, I don't know if this is a good time to bring this up, but I think we should at least discuss it a little. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:13, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • I'd normally agree with you about this, but there are some issues. Julien has an assignment tracker noting his ability as Cloning, and we all know the assignment tracker is God. It was confirmed that Eli and Julien have the same ability, so I'm not sure whether it would be possible to change the name. I'm fine with either I suppose.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 15:23, 6 January 2010 (EST)
    • Same here, I don't care if we call it Replication or Cloning, but I just figured I'd bring it up since no one else had. -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 15:26, 6 January 2010 (EST)
      • It seems more like two different powers to me. I know that it probably won't happen, but I think that "Cloning" is what Julien has and that "Replication" is what Eli has. I know they are similar abilities, but there are also a lot of differences:
  1. Eli has to focus to keep his clones "alive" (the clones disappeared when he was rendered unconscious) while Julien's clones' existence isn't linked to Julien's level of consciousness.
  2. Eli can create clones in his immediate vicinity (exact limits still unknown) while Julien's clones emerge from his body.
  3. The clones that appear are completely different: Julien's are organic and independent of his mind (mostly, they even exhibit different personality traits and have independent thought). Eli's, on the other hand, seem to be linked to his mind and are like extensions of it. They are able to relay information back to Eli and carry out Eli's will without the need for verbal communication. Eli's clones are also just "shells" without blood or bone.
  4. A strong point for the name difference of the two is that when Eli "replicates" himself, he can also "replicate" objects (like a gun). Julien's clones are more like actual clones and he only clones of himself, so his ability should be "Cloning".

There are probably a few more examples, but I think there is enough that the two should be separate abilities. Again, this is just what I think. Tell me what you think. --Bender 22:47, 6 January 2010 (EST)

  • I actually suggested this last month, I had more or less the same ideas you had. However, even though most of the community thought we should seperate them into two seperate abilities, we were given a statement by Howie Kaplan who wrote the first series of graphic novels where Eli was introduced. Basically, he said that although there were differences, they were ultimately the same power. We can't really argue with that.--PJDEP - Need further explanation? 23:34, 6 January 2010 (EST)
  • I was among those pushing to separate the abilities, but the writers confirmed that they are the same. Additionally, the AT is a better source for information than Edgar (who writes "Fire-Breathing Family: breathes fire"). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 14:17, 7 January 2010 (EST)
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