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The Sanderses' home

See Talk:The Sanderses' home to see what I'm trying to say. Stop reverting the edit. Thank you.--Bob 18:42, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

• the edit is correct. Sanderses' is totally incorrect anyway you cut it.
  • There's some debate as to whether it's incorrect or not. Let's let the discussion on Talk:The Sanderses' home get some more feedback before making changes since if it does indeed turn out to be incorrect it'll have to be changed in a number of places. It's been discussed in the past and each time it turns out that Sanderses' seems to be correct so let's make sure it gets discussed and agreed upon before changing. (Admin 19:23, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
    • How can it seem to be correct? It's most certainly not correct by any stretch of the imagination. A plural noun does not to be made plural! Geez, I have a degree in English and Speech Communication or it probably wouldn't even bother me. I don't understand why the totally incorrect, unsupported form of the word is being used when it is very readily and easily available to find the correct usage. http://englishplus.com/grammar/00000132.htm

Using -es on a proper plural noun is just wrong, incorrect. Using -es AND apostrophe is just doubly wrong because it is redundant and incorrect.

• • • • Niki Sanders is one person. Niki Sanders' (or even Niki Sanders's pencil) is the pencil belonging to one person, Niki. The Sanderses is one way of referring to all members of the Sanders family (no possession at this point). The Sanderses went out to dinner. So far that's grammatically correct. From there the the question is how to make it possessive. One acceptable solution seems to be to just add the apostrophe which turns "Sanderses' home" to "The home belonging to the members of the family Sanders." Now there's also a guideline that when the name ends in a hard Z sound often the -es isn't added and just an apostrophe is added (i.e. Sanders') I personally thought that it would end up Sanders' because of that guideline with the hard Z sound, but apparently from what I've read it seems to vary from name to name. (Admin 19:40, 14 October 2007 (EDT))
        • I think the problem arises when people mix up a common use of calling a house something like "the Sanders residence", but that term is not possessive, so adding the apostrophe at the end would be incorrect.--Bob 19:44, 14 October 2007 (EDT)
        • The problem is that Sanderses' is completely incorrect! While Sanderses without an apostrophe may serve to describe some singular action of the Sanders family members anything they own would be addressed as the Sanders'. The Sanders' house, the Sanders' dog, etc. ALL singular proper nouns that end in -s receive an apostrophe. If a singular proper noun ends in s, add an apostrophe. http://grammar.uoregon.edu/case/possnouns.html
          • Again, you're applying a rule for SINGULAR proper nouns when we're talking about a PLURAL proper noun. If you read that rule, it states that you can option to drop it, so long as you're consistent. The site does not drop it, so to maintain consistency, we shouldn't drop it.--Bob 19:50, 14 October 2007 (EDT)

"Sanders" is a singular proper noun that ends in -s. Adding the apostrophe makes it plural and possessive.

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• Hello and welcome to Heroes Wiki! Thought I'd drop by some help. On talk pages, at least on this wiki, common practice is to sign comments with our username and date. It helps so we don't have to spend time checking through diffs to see who we are talking to when reading a long discussion. To sign a comment, just use "--~~~~" (two dashes and four tildes).--MiamiVolts (talk) 23:15, 14 October 2007 (EDT)