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{{Talk:Electric manipulation/top}}
== Title photo ==
{{power names|2|eos=This ability has been explicitly and expertly named by [[Elle]]'s [[Assignment Tracker]] profile}}
I must say, good choice for the title photo. I was torn between something like this and electric kiss.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 00:36, 14 November 2007 (EST)
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*It's one of my favorite power photos--I love the expression on Elle's face. In fact, I'm seriously considering swapping it for [[:Image:Powers dl nikis cell.jpg]] (in templates like [[Template:Portalnav|this]]) to represent [[powers]] in general. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 00:39, 14 November 2007 (EST)


==Lightning?==
==Highly Confused==

Come on, you have to be kidding me. Lightning?!?! Is that the best name you all can create? Exactly what was wrong with Electromagnestism?--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 13:43, 14 November 2007 (EST)
I know some people are going to sigh at this but as the title says I'm very confused for several reasons:
* The writers said it didn't apply to Elle's power in a Behind the Eclipse.--[[User:MiamiVolts|MiamiVolts]] ([[User_talk:MiamiVolts|talk]]) 13:49, 14 November 2007 (EST)

**But still everyone here can come up with a better name than "Lightning".--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 13:51, 14 November 2007 (EST)
1) You've listed Elle's power as Electric Manipulation. Shouldn't this be Electrokinesis (which means creating and conrtollling electricity (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis#Umbrella_term for an example) just like with Cryo, psycho, tele and pyrokinesis (amongst others).
*** It's not a matter of "coming up" with anything. Lightning has been used repeatedly in canonical and near canonical sources to refer to the ability. Until Mohinder decides to give it another name, it's the term that has to be used. ([[User:Admin|Admin]] 14:36, 14 November 2007 (EST))
* "Electrokinesis", as far as I understand, is a made up term, and is not a real term like "telekinesis" or "pyrokinesis". However, I'm not a language expert, so I can't be positive. Although, I what I am positive about is that Elle's [[Assignment Tracker 2.0]] explicitly lists her ability as "electric manipulation", so that's what we use. Our job here is to archive the information that's given to us, not to figure out something that sounds better or fits better. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
**** Plus they never explicitly stated that electrokinesis or anything else was the proper name for it, they just prefered it when given the choice between it or electromagnetism. All other powers have been given proper names either in the show or by the show's staff. A good example is that originally Peter's power was just called power mimicry before getting the word empath added. --[[User:PeterDawson|PeterDawson]] 14:54, 14 November 2007 (EST)

*****I think Lightning is the best name for it, especially in light of [[Four Months Ago...]]. Clearly (to me, anyway), Elle releases lightning bolts from her fingers (and mouth).--{{User:Lost Soul/sig}} 14:56, 14 November 2007 (EST)
2) In relation to point 1, some people supported the idea of calling it lightning and cite quotes from the show as proof. I've read some of those quotes. Lightning is a noun, it refers to the product of Electric Manipulation/Electrokinesis. That would be like calling pyrokinesis "Fire".
******If its not a matter of "coming up" with a name then where the hell did you get the name Electromagnetism? I don't recall it being called that in the graphic novel or on screen.--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 21:44, 14 November 2007 (EST)

*******We came up with that name because no name was given for the power. When a name is given, we use it. When no name is given, we consult other sources. When no other sources give it, we generally name it ourselves. See [[Help:Naming conventions#Power Names]] for a full breakdown on the process. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 21:51, 14 November 2007 (EST)
3) Surely, if Electric Manipulation is to be the name for this power then Electrokinesis shoudl redirect here rather than to the [[Electric (disambig)]]
*Look, what I want to point out is the only difference between the Agent using this power and Elle using it is that the Agent uses it to levitate some and Elle doesn't. Other than that, the powers are THE SAME. Your descriptions for the powers on the pages are simular there for making the powers simular. I'm trying to say is that you should make some distinction between them or IMO combine them back and call the power "Electricity Manipulation".--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 22:04, 14 November 2007 (EST)

**I'm not educated in the powers of Elle, but the production of lightning has to do with the separation of extremely different charges of atoms or particles within the air. Meaning that Elle MUST have control over the polarization of those particles. Thus, an appropriate name could be Electric Manipulation. I agree with The Empath in such that if two different articles have the same discription or definition, that is terms for merging the two articles. Repetition is not good. Electromagnetism refers to controlling the polariztion of particles so that they attract to each other. This makes the names of the abilities the same...but Electromagnetism gives a very specific sense of her ability and does not capture it as a whole.--[[User:Linuxlover101|Free Willy]] 22:15, 14 November 2007 (EST)
4) Shouldn't electrical absortion come under Electric manipulation since you're basically manipulating electricity?
**The ability to levitate or not is a pretty big difference. Other abilities are similar (Linderman's and Claire's) but not the same. The distinction we've made is separating the powers since they're not the same. [[Joe Pokaski]] and [[Aron Coleite]] have said as much. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 22:35, 14 November 2007 (EST)

*** Its Electrical Manipulation or Electrokinesis... Look at any comic book website. Really, if you Look at Johnny Ohm from Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (the videogame) he has this exact power we are talking about and its just one ability. Put it in one category or change one of the definitions so at least they are not the same. --[[User:.Vault|.Vault]] 22:43, 14 November 2007 (EST)
5) Lastly, why are interviews with writers considered less canonical than what's in the episodes, I'd think it would be the other way around. -- [[User:Wiccid|Wiccid]] 19:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
****The Lightning page has the "Ability to" as to generate electrical energy. One can create electrical energy without creating/causing lightning! The elctromagnetism page says this: Manipulate and/or generate electrostatic energy. These are the same. This either needs to be changed to make a distinction between the two or I vote to remerge the articles.--[[User:Linuxlover101|Free Willy]] 22:48, 14 November 2007 (EST)
* Our goal here is not to archive what writers say, but to record what is said in the world of ''Heroes''. In fact, interviews with writers are not [[canon]]ical at all. They are good secondary and supplementary information, but episodes will always trump what a writer says in an interview, article, commentary, or elsewhere. -- {{User:Ryangibsonstewart/sig}} 20:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
*****I second that. They are clearly the same abilities, I don't know why you all don't see that.--[[User:Dylankidwell|The Empath]] 22:49, 14 November 2007 (EST)

== Sylar's immunity to tazers ==

I think this ability or regeneration is why Sylar is immune to tazers. He wasn't immune before, but it wasn't really shown if he became immune after getting regeneration or this because his only real on-screen tazerings were in Fugitives. I think having this ability makes him immune to electricty, like tazers.--[[User:WarGrowlmon18|WarGrowlmon18]] 14:24, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
*Immediately after gaining claires ability, he is walking down the street and gets tazed without effect. RCR is the source of his immunity.

== Gloves ==

Is it possible to use this ability, or any of the heat abilities, or freezing, if someone had gloves on?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 16:38, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
*Gloves were used to subdue Tracy, so I think that if they were of special materials, they could be used to restrain the use of such abilities, as long as the evolved human tries to use it via their hands. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 16:56, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
**But remember that tracy was still able to shatter out of the gloves eventually. And I'd say, based on a lot of demonstrations, that electric manipulation isn't reliant on the hands.[[User:Gamerelite1|Gamerelite1]] 14:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
***Only eventually, and she also had to build it up. [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 14:42, 12 November 2009 (EST)
****So, with gloves you would by at a clothing store, would someone still be able to fire lightning with them on, without burning their gloves?--{{User:Catalyst/sig}} 17:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
*****Depending on the glove... [[User:Intuitive Empath|Intuitive Empath]] - [[User talk:Intuitive Empath|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Intuitive Empath|Contributions]] 17:15, 12 November 2009 (EST)
==Why is this not "Electricity Manipulation?==

From what I understand, "Electric manipulation" is manipulation using electricity, which is not what the power is. Electricity Manipulation is more politically-correct. The ability allows its user to manipulate(and also generate) electricity. I guess this has been discussed in the archives but I didn't read it (too long, many posts are pointless). Can anyone explain the reason for naming is as such?--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]] 08:31, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
*If you ever want to know where ability names come from, just read the blue box in the top right hand corner of the talk page. It is noted explicitly in the assignment tracker as electric manipulation, so that's what we use. --[[User:Mc hammark|mc_hammark]] 08:35, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
*Oh... okay, thanks. I totally forgot about the AT--[[User:Realistic|Realistic]] 08:39, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 12:39, 18 April 2010

Ability Naming Conventions
The following sources are used for determining evolved human ability names, in order:
1. Canon Sources Episodes
Webisodes,
Graphic Novels,
iStories,
Heroes Evolutions
3. Secondary Sources Episode commentary,
Interviews,
Heroes: Survival
4. Common names for abilities Names from other works
5. Descriptions of abilities Descriptions
6. Possessor's name If no non-speculative
description is possible
Note: The highlighted row represents the level of the source used to determine electric manipulation's name.
Source/Explanation
This ability has been explicitly and expertly named by Elle's Assignment Tracker profile.

Highly Confused

I know some people are going to sigh at this but as the title says I'm very confused for several reasons:

1) You've listed Elle's power as Electric Manipulation. Shouldn't this be Electrokinesis (which means creating and conrtollling electricity (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis#Umbrella_term for an example) just like with Cryo, psycho, tele and pyrokinesis (amongst others).

  • "Electrokinesis", as far as I understand, is a made up term, and is not a real term like "telekinesis" or "pyrokinesis". However, I'm not a language expert, so I can't be positive. Although, I what I am positive about is that Elle's Assignment Tracker 2.0 explicitly lists her ability as "electric manipulation", so that's what we use. Our job here is to archive the information that's given to us, not to figure out something that sounds better or fits better. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

2) In relation to point 1, some people supported the idea of calling it lightning and cite quotes from the show as proof. I've read some of those quotes. Lightning is a noun, it refers to the product of Electric Manipulation/Electrokinesis. That would be like calling pyrokinesis "Fire".

3) Surely, if Electric Manipulation is to be the name for this power then Electrokinesis shoudl redirect here rather than to the Electric (disambig)

4) Shouldn't electrical absortion come under Electric manipulation since you're basically manipulating electricity?

5) Lastly, why are interviews with writers considered less canonical than what's in the episodes, I'd think it would be the other way around. -- Wiccid 19:15, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Our goal here is not to archive what writers say, but to record what is said in the world of Heroes. In fact, interviews with writers are not canonical at all. They are good secondary and supplementary information, but episodes will always trump what a writer says in an interview, article, commentary, or elsewhere. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:01, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Sylar's immunity to tazers

I think this ability or regeneration is why Sylar is immune to tazers. He wasn't immune before, but it wasn't really shown if he became immune after getting regeneration or this because his only real on-screen tazerings were in Fugitives. I think having this ability makes him immune to electricty, like tazers.--WarGrowlmon18 14:24, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

  • Immediately after gaining claires ability, he is walking down the street and gets tazed without effect. RCR is the source of his immunity.

Gloves

Is it possible to use this ability, or any of the heat abilities, or freezing, if someone had gloves on?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:38, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Gloves were used to subdue Tracy, so I think that if they were of special materials, they could be used to restrain the use of such abilities, as long as the evolved human tries to use it via their hands. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:56, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
    • But remember that tracy was still able to shatter out of the gloves eventually. And I'd say, based on a lot of demonstrations, that electric manipulation isn't reliant on the hands.Gamerelite1 14:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)
      • Only eventually, and she also had to build it up. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 14:42, 12 November 2009 (EST)
        • So, with gloves you would by at a clothing store, would someone still be able to fire lightning with them on, without burning their gloves?--Catalyst · Talk · HL 17:07, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Why is this not "Electricity Manipulation?

From what I understand, "Electric manipulation" is manipulation using electricity, which is not what the power is. Electricity Manipulation is more politically-correct. The ability allows its user to manipulate(and also generate) electricity. I guess this has been discussed in the archives but I didn't read it (too long, many posts are pointless). Can anyone explain the reason for naming is as such?--Realistic 08:31, 18 April 2010 (EDT)

  • If you ever want to know where ability names come from, just read the blue box in the top right hand corner of the talk page. It is noted explicitly in the assignment tracker as electric manipulation, so that's what we use. --mc_hammark 08:35, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
  • Oh... okay, thanks. I totally forgot about the AT--Realistic 08:39, 18 April 2010 (EDT)
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