Talk:Electric manipulation

Title photo

I must say, good choice for the title photo. I was torn between something like this and electric kiss.--MiamiVolts (talk) 00:36, 14 November 2007 (EST)

• It's one of my favorite power photos--I love the expression on Elle's face. In fact, I'm seriously considering swapping it for Image:Powers dl nikis cell.jpg (in templates like this) to represent powers in general. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:39, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Lightning?

Come on, you have to be kidding me. Lightning?!?! Is that the best name you all can create? Exactly what was wrong with Electromagnestism?--The Empath 13:43, 14 November 2007 (EST)

• The writers said it didn't apply to Elle's power in a Behind the Eclipse.--MiamiVolts (talk) 13:49, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • But still everyone here can come up with a better name than "Lightning".--The Empath 13:51, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • It's not a matter of "coming up" with anything. Lightning has been used repeatedly in canonical and near canonical sources to refer to the ability. Until Mohinder decides to give it another name, it's the term that has to be used. (Admin 14:36, 14 November 2007 (EST))
      • Plus they never explicitly stated that electrokinesis or anything else was the proper name for it, they just prefered it when given the choice between it or electromagnetism. All other powers have been given proper names either in the show or by the show's staff. A good example is that originally Peter's power was just called power mimicry before getting the word empath added. --PeterDawson 14:54, 14 November 2007 (EST)
        • I think Lightning is the best name for it, especially in light of Four Months Ago.... Clearly (to me, anyway), Elle releases lightning bolts from her fingers (and mouth).--  Lost Soul   talk  contribs  14:56, 14 November 2007 (EST)
          • If its not a matter of "coming up" with a name then where the hell did you get the name Electromagnetism? I don't recall it being called that in the graphic novel or on screen.--The Empath 21:44, 14 November 2007 (EST)
            • We came up with that name because no name was given for the power. When a name is given, we use it. When no name is given, we consult other sources. When no other sources give it, we generally name it ourselves. See Help:Naming conventions#Power Names for a full breakdown on the process. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:51, 14 November 2007 (EST)
• Look, what I want to point out is the only difference between the Agent using this power and Elle using it is that the Agent uses it to levitate some and Elle doesn't. Other than that, the powers are THE SAME. Your descriptions for the powers on the pages are simular there for making the powers simular. I'm trying to say is that you should make some distinction between them or IMO combine them back and call the power "Electricity Manipulation".--The Empath 22:04, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • I'm not educated in the powers of Elle, but the production of lightning has to do with the separation of extremely different charges of atoms or particles within the air. Meaning that Elle MUST have control over the polarization of those particles. Thus, an appropriate name could be Electric Manipulation. I agree with The Empath in such that if two different articles have the same discription or definition, that is terms for merging the two articles. Repetition is not good. Electromagnetism refers to controlling the polariztion of particles so that they attract to each other. This makes the names of the abilities the same...but Electromagnetism gives a very specific sense of her ability and does not capture it as a whole.--Free Willy 22:15, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • The ability to levitate or not is a pretty big difference. Other abilities are similar (Linderman's and Claire's) but not the same. The distinction we've made is separating the powers since they're not the same. Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite have said as much. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2007 (EST)
    • Its Electrical Manipulation or Electrokinesis... Look at any comic book website. Really, if you Look at Johnny Ohm from Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects (the videogame) he has this exact power we are talking about and its just one ability. Put it in one category or change one of the definitions so at least they are not the same. --.Vault 22:43, 14 November 2007 (EST)
      • The Lightning page has the "Ability to" as to generate electrical energy. One can create electrical energy without creating/causing lightning! The elctromagnetism page says this: Manipulate and/or generate electrostatic energy. These are the same. This either needs to be changed to make a distinction between the two or I vote to remerge the articles.--Free Willy 22:48, 14 November 2007 (EST)
        • I second that. They are clearly the same abilities, I don't know why you all don't see that.--The Empath 22:49, 14 November 2007 (EST)
          • They are not the same ability. I tend to take the writers' words above my own ideas, the consensus of other fans, and certainly over comic books which exist in a different world than Heroes. To see what the writers have to say about it (specifically that say it's not the same power), see here. For a discussion on the split, see here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2007 (EST)