Talk:List of evolved humans

David Berman(Actor) - Brian Davis(Character)

OK...The list should only contain an entry for Brian Davis (the Character), not the actor David Berman who portrayed him. Right? I didn't remove the 'David Berman' row....because there was alot of activity on it, but I think his row (David Berman) should be removed. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• The name "David Berman" actually appears on the list. --Ted C 17:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Missed that one....that has got to be a typo/error. But if it's on the list, it should remain. Should me make any notation on David Berman pointing to the Brian Davis row stating that this is most-likely an error? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I'm guessing it's probably less an error and more an easter egg. Amid Halebi is on there, too, and it's unlikely they'd reuse his character since they've basically made him into Ted.--Hardvice (talk) 17:40, 24 January 2007 (EST)

It's already noted here. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:44, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Should we make a link from the evolved human list row to the triva elements so that others will catch this? I sure missed it. Just a thought. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 18:03, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Good call!--Hardvice (talk) 18:09, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Sanjong/Sanjonp Iher

I didn't make a notation of this in the list when I updated it earlier today to take into consideration the addition info given on some of the people from Chandra's enhanced Map. However, I wanted to mention it here.

Just like the list denotes the different spellings between Pan-Green and Pam-Green between the Computer List and the Map, likewise, Iher's first name is spelled Sanjong on the list and most references, but as Sanjonp on the map.

Something to consider, I don't care either way, but it is a notable difference. HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Probably best for a note on Sanjog Iyer, since the interactive map isn't really a canon source.--Hardvice (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Shanti

I think we're making a big leap calling Shanti Suresh an evolved human. Her father said she had a "genetic anomaly" that started him on his research, but that doesn't mean she had whatever mutation results in superhuman powers. She may have had a well-known genetic disorder that lead to her death. We definitely don't know enough about her to list her as an evolved human. --Ted C 15:55, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Inclusion of Shanti doesn't cause any harm at this point.

We have more info on her specific to a 'genetic anomoly' that most people on the computer list.

Chandra himself quoted her as having a 1) 'genetic anomoly' and 2) another reference says she was 'special' and 3) Chandra goes as far as saying "My hope is that no one will suffer as she did.", which goes about as close to saying she had some type of power that brought about her death, without specifically saying what it was. If she didn't have a true power, and her death was simply inert, then none of those 3 points would be worth noting.

At least by including her in the list with the power listed as 'genetic anomoly' it is recorded. If the show ever returns to expand on her past, and theres a good chance it will with the continued influence of Chandra, Mohinder, and Sanjong, this entry isn't without merit.--HiroSynoSlayer

However, it's completely unsupported at this time. We have to treat as canon only what's aired, and to date, all we know is that she had a "genetic anomaly". That could be Down's syndrome for all we know. Including Shanti on a list of evolved humans, when we define "evolved humans" as those with superpowers, is pure speculation.--Hardvice (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2007 (EST)

"Genetic anomaly" is not a power, nor is being "special". So far, there is no evidence that Shanti was an evolved human. So far, all we know is that she had some kind of genetic mutation or abnormality that was linked to her death. As I said, it could have been a well-known genetic disorder. Her condition was important because it was the motivation for Chandra's genetic research, but there is no indication that it was related to the genetic condition that creates superpowers. --Ted C 16:18, 24 January 2007 (EST)

It's not pure speculation....the show's premise is that folks on it with 'genetic anomolies' have powers....it isn't a show about gentic anomolied Down's syndrome people.

Name any example from the show where other people are identified with 'genetic anomolies' of any kind that isn't related to a power.

Shanti's power is simple not-yet stated, like many other folks on the lists, journals, map, etc.

Take it out if you want to be adamant about it, but there is enough reasonable evidence given for her inclusion. -- HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:24, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Shanti has not exhibited powers and is not an evolved human, though she did have a genetic anomoly. Micah was not considered an EH until after he exhibited his powers. Claire would not have been an evolved human before she exhibited her powers either. If we put Shanti on the list, we may as well speculate that Monty and Simon Petrelli belong on the list because they're the sons and nephews of evolved humans. It's all speculation. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2007 (EST)

The possibility that Shanti was an evolved human is noted on the appropriate character page. That's all the evidence warrants at this time. --Ted C 16:32, 24 January 2007 (EST)

There's a difference between something being "obvious" and something being "confirmed". We opt for the latter. For example, Eden was obviously shady, but it wasn't confirmed that she was a plant until she was seen talking to Mr. Bennet. Yes, Shanti probably has powers. Everything that's been said about her indicates that it's quite likely that she had powers. But it is in no way confirmed that she had powers, and thus she doesn't belong.--Hardvice (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2007 (EST)

OK....I'll agree on Shanti, but with the criteria you guys are giving which is slanted at the 'confirmed' not 'probability...shouldn't Nikki be removed and only Jessica remain? Only Jessica has exhibited confirmed powers, right? (Or at least remove the double rows for each, and concatonate them into Nikki/Jessica as one row?) -- HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:43, 24 January 2007 (EST)

I've been harping on that very point for two days. --Ted C 16:43, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Niki's on the list. Whether that's a failing of the list or not, it's enough to qualify everyone else.--Hardvice (talk) 16:44, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Misreading problem on my part. In any case, Niki/Jessica is a single evolved human, despite having two personalities that don't have equal access to the power. The should arguably be on the same line, though. --Ted C 16:46, 24 January 2007 (EST)

The only reason I'd lean towards keeping them separate is that we do have separate sources for including them. Niki's on the list, but has no confirmed powers. Jessica's not on the list, but has confirmed powers. If we can note that clearly, then they should be combined. Otherwise, they should be left separate.--Hardvice (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Good point, combined would be more clear. HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 16:53, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Combination attempted. --Ted C 16:57, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Niki

I went ahead and changed Niki's power to "Unknown" since we've seen no confirmed instances of her using enhanced strength.--Hardvice (talk) 20:08, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Yeah, I struggled with that one. I completely agree with you - I just decided to go ahead with what's already listed on her page. Thanks for the change. ... I thought about making her power "Alter Ego", just to see if I could get you riled up. :) - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 20:12, 22 January 2007 (EST)

You know me all too well.--Hardvice (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2007 (EST)

Moot point, now, I guess, eh? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2007 (EST)

Distinguish Between Show, Map, and List

I think we need to somehow distinguish between names on this list. It looks odd to have 23 names in the category, and then a million and one names on this table. I suggest we color code the names in a very basic way. Perhaps black for those that are in the episodes/GNs (Charlie, Claire, David Berman, etc.), green for those names that come from the list (Felipe, Abu, etc.), and blue for those that come from NBC's map (Byron, Penkala, etc.) A person not familiar with the list, or especially with the 360 map, can be very confused coming to this page. "Who the heck is Felipe?" "What is a temptress?" (especially since there's no article on them, and no other easily attainable information). Any thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:20, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Something is defiantly needed, the colors could work, but what about the links and those who are from multiple places? Another thing that could be added is a source column. --Level 14:33, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Hopefully the new 'source' column I added today, along with the legend that denotes where (List, Map, Journal, Episode, G.N., etc...) the info is derived from, will be sufficient. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2007 (EST)

Pam/Pan Green

On the list Pam Green is not marked as Deceased, on the Map Pan Green is. Should we show that her death is non cannon? I had (Deceased?) but it was removed. -Level 17:46, 24 January 2007 (EST)

• Tough call. We know the list seen on the show has errors (see David Berman), and we know that a lot of the things on the NBC website are buggy or simply incorrect (sticky placement). I think leave it as it is in the show (not dead yet) until we see otherwise, unless you wish to tag it with an * or something. --Orne 09:44, 25 January 2007 (EST)
  • Incidentally, I can't seem to find a good screenshot where it actually says "Pam"... it could be that we anglocized the name here on HeroesWiki. The one we have that was used as the source for the list clips the name in half, so it could be a n or m. --Orne 11:13, 25 January 2007 (EST)
    • Image:The_List2.jpg compare the last letter in "Pam" to the last letter in "Green" and others like "Ethan Kim", you may need to zoom in but they are different. -Level 11:37, 25 January 2007 (EST)