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|Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet)||None |
|Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet)||None.||{{plus}} HRG have no abilities, so he injected himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger. <br /> |
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:{{note}}Or de-aging people could be a new ability enacted on Noah. <br /> |
:{{note}}Or de-aging people could be a new ability enacted on Noah. <br /> |
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{{minus}} Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son. <br /> |
{{minus}} Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son. <br /> |
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{{minus}} Zachary Quinto has already commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current Heroes character and the she is "very much alive and silver-tongued," meaning that Noah is indeed the child of Sylar, and as stated below, it is unlikely that HRG could be Sylar's real child.<br /> |
{{minus}} Zachary Quinto has already commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current Heroes character and the she is "very much alive and silver-tongued," meaning that Noah is indeed the child of Sylar, and as stated below, it is unlikely that HRG could be Sylar's real child.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Just because they share a name doesn't mean they are the same person. |
{{minus}} Just because they share a name doesn't mean they are the same person. It's more likely that Sylar named him after HRG because they will become close as partners with the Company. <br /> |
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{{plus}}If Noah Gray is 4 years old, and |
{{plus}}If Noah Gray is 4 years old, and it's 2011, then he must be born in 2007, and Sylar doesn't have any known partner in those times.<br /> |
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{{plus}}Noah Gray is blonde.<br /> |
{{plus}}Noah Gray is blonde.<br /> |
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{{plus}}When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.<br /> |
{{plus}}When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.<br /> |
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::::{{minus}} She might not show much remorse because she believes she is fighting for the greater good.<br /> |
::::{{minus}} She might not show much remorse because she believes she is fighting for the greater good.<br /> |
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{{plus}} In [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18423 "Behind the Eclipse: Week 3], authors Aron Coliete and Joe Pokaski pick up this idea but give it a little twist: Gabriel Gray IS HRG's father, but somehow little Noah timetravels back into the 60's and grows up to be HRG. This would not involve any backwards aging and is possible due to characters like Peter and Hiro being able to timetravel. |
{{plus}} In [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18423 "Behind the Eclipse: Week 3], authors Aron Coliete and Joe Pokaski pick up this idea but give it a little twist: Gabriel Gray IS HRG's father, but somehow little Noah timetravels back into the 60's and grows up to be HRG. This would not involve any backwards aging and is possible due to characters like Peter and Hiro being able to timetravel. |
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:{{minus}}I would postulate that if Noah |
:{{minus}}I would postulate that if Noah Gray time travels to the past to grow up as HRG, then [[Claire]]'s entire past would have been altered by Noah Gray being killed. Noah would have died before going back to become HRG, and [[Claire]] would have had a totaly different life, which would have altered everything. Actually, the very act of killing Noah Grey would have likely changed the past extensively. What would the heroesverse be like if HRG had never existed? |
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::{{plus}} This is one of those time travel problems, but in my understanding altering the future does not have the same effect as altering the past because the future is always subject to change. So if Noah Gray already time- |
::{{plus}} This is one of those time travel problems, but in my understanding, altering the future does not have the same effect as altering the past because the future is always subject to change. So if Noah Gray already time-traveled back in one possible future and has become a fixed part of the past, his death in an alternate future wouldn't change anything in the past. Also, it is most likely that the future in which Sylar explodes will be altered eventually. |
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| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray" || In ''[[Episode: One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]]'' Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger || {{plus}} Due to Angela's |
| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". || In ''[[Episode: One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]]'', Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. || {{plus}} Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in "I am become Death", he does it for his son. |
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| Noah is adopted || None || {{plus}} There is no evidence of Noah's mother. <br /> |
| Noah is adopted. || None. || {{plus}} There is no evidence of Noah's mother. <br /> {{minus}} Again, Zachary Quinto has commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current ''Heroes'' character and that she is "very much alive and silver-tongued. <br /> {{note}} Yes, but did he didn't specifically say Sylar was the biological father.<br /> |
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| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. || None || {{plus}} [[Power heredity]] exists in the ''Heroes'' universe. |
| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. || None. || {{plus}} [[Power heredity]] exists in the ''Heroes'' universe. |
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| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Episode:Truth & Consequences|Truth & Consequences]]'' || {{plus}} She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. <br> |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Episode:Truth & Consequences|Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. <br /> |
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| Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar, who will become involved at some point. || Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). || {{plus}} In the French advertisement for Season 3 of Heroes, the trailer shows a scary, but rather sexual interaction between Sylar and Elle, with Elle lying on her back as Sylar whispers "I'm a psychopathic killer" and Elle responds "Takes one to know one." <br /> |
| Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar, who will become involved at some point. || Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). || {{plus}} In the French advertisement for Season 3 of Heroes, the trailer shows a scary, but rather sexual interaction between Sylar and Elle, with Elle lying on her back as Sylar whispers "I'm a psychopathic killer" and Elle responds "Takes one to know one." <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the latest edition on Entertainment Weekly, the writers discuss a |
{{plus}} In the latest edition on Entertainment Weekly, the writers discuss a scene between Sylar and Elle that includes zitti, champigne, and murder from the past in which Elle turns Sylar into a killer, showing that their relationship has depth. <br /> |
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{{plus}} When asked if Elle would have a relationship in the future, Heroes cast responded that she is set to have a cute romance ahead, and Zachary Quinto has already stated that Noah's mother is a current Heroes character and that she is very much alive and "silver-tongued." <br /> |
{{plus}} When asked if Elle would have a relationship in the future, Heroes cast responded that she is set to have a cute romance ahead, and Zachary Quinto has already stated that Noah's mother is a current Heroes character and that she is very much alive and "silver-tongued." <br /> |
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| Sylar and Claire Bennett will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || |
| Sylar and Claire Bennett will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || {{minus}} The biggest thing is, Sylar/Gabriel is Claire's uncle! |
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{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]'' Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her. <br /> |
{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]'', Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} When Sylar said, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to" |
:{{minus}} When Sylar said, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to", he is implying about Claire not dying. |
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{{plus}} When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional. <br /> |
{{plus}} When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} He is just giving examples about questions that cannot be answered! |
:{{minus}} He is just giving examples about questions that cannot be answered! |
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{{plus}} Claire could have "Stockholm Syndrome" where the abused come to love their captors. <br /> |
{{plus}} Claire could have "Stockholm Syndrome" where the abused come to love their captors. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar and Claire's relationship is already sexualized, as her experience with him has been a sort of "brain rape."<br /> |
{{plus}} Sylar and Claire's relationship is already sexualized, as her experience with him has been a sort of "brain rape."<br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future in ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'', Sylar lives in Claire's house and has named his child after Claire's dad, and even has Claire's dog, and the writers make it a point to refer to him as Mr. Muggles so there can be no mistake. |
{{plus}} In the exposed future, in ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'', Sylar lives in Claire's house and has named his child after Claire's dad, and even has Claire's dog, and the writers make it a point to refer to him as Mr. Muggles so there can be no mistake. <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire is extremely nervous to go see Sylar, even though she probably shouldn't be afraid of him anymore since he has become so harmless, implying that perhaps they have some kind of other past together like a relationship. <br /> |
{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire is extremely nervous to go see Sylar, even though she probably shouldn't be afraid of him anymore since he has become so harmless, implying that perhaps they have some kind of other past together like a relationship. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} She was afraid to have to kill Peter again, not to see Sylar. |
:{{minus}} She was afraid to have to kill Peter again, not to see Sylar. |
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<br /> {{plus}} No, in the episode they distinctly say that she is afraid to see Sylar. <br /> |
<br /> {{plus}} No, in the episode they distinctly say that she is afraid to see Sylar. <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire says to Sylar "You took everything from me" in reference to her house etc |
{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire says to Sylar "You took everything from me" in reference to her house, etc; and possibly to her child; and then moves her gun's aim from Peter to Sylar, as perhaps she has anger about a deeper past together. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} Why would she be angry about Sylar taking her son, then show absolutely no remorse when he is killed? |
:{{minus}} Why would she be angry about Sylar taking her son, then show absolutely no remorse when he is killed? |
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{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]]'', Sylar saved Claire from |
{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]]'', Sylar saved Claire from [[Stephen Canfield]], showing that the writers are trying to build a relationship between them. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} This doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a romantic relationship. |
:{{minus}} This doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a romantic relationship. |
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{{plus}} With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity" etc |
{{plus}} With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity", etc.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hayden Panetierre has stated that Claire will not get a significant other on the show for at least a few more episodes, leaving time for the writers to go even more in depth into the Sylar/Claire relationship that has so far been very important to this season. <br /> |
{{plus}} Hayden Panetierre has stated that Claire will not get a significant other on the show for at least a few more episodes, leaving time for the writers to go even more in depth into the Sylar/Claire relationship that has so far been very important to this season. <br /> |
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{{minus}} Assuming the recent revelations about Sylar can be taken at face value, and Sylar is indeed Angela Petrelli's son, he is Nathan's brother and Claire's uncle. |
{{minus}} Assuming the recent revelations about Sylar can be taken at face value, and Sylar is indeed Angela Petrelli's son, he is Nathan's brother and Claire's uncle. An incestuous relationship (where the two people's ages are 17 and 30) on a network TV show is not terribly likely. A child as the result of an incestuous relationship is even unlikelier. |
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{{plus}} The show is obviously making a sexual connection between Claire and Peter, who are also niece and uncle, like when she says "I've always loved you Peter" in ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]''. <br /> |
{{plus}} The show is obviously making a sexual connection between Claire and Peter, who are also niece and uncle, like when she says "I've always loved you Peter" in ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]''. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} This couldn't have been, say, a gesture of familial love?<br /> |
:{{minus}} This couldn't have been, say, a gesture of familial love?<br /> |
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{{plus}} The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). |
{{plus}} The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). Plus, Claire has been portrayed as the hot young cheerleader throughout the show, even when she was younger in past seasons. Alongside this she is already maturing much in this season, has has already had her first boyfriend situation in season 2.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Sylar is Claire's uncle! |
:{{minus}} Sylar is Claire's uncle! |
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:{{minus}} Her "first boyfriend situation" was with someone her own age. |
:{{minus}} Her "first boyfriend situation" was with someone her own age. |
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<br />{{minus}} Kring has already shot down Peter/Claire due to the incest factor and age difference. |
<br />{{minus}} Kring has already shot down Peter/Claire due to the incest factor and age difference. |
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|Noah liked waffles.||He was seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles.||{{plus}} He was extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles.<br />{{plus}} He was eating the waffles. |
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|He is seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles. |
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|{{plus}} He is extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles. |
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{{plus}} He was eating the waffles<br /> |
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{{minus}} The theory title is wrong, Noah <i>liked</i> waffles, he is now dead and cannot like anything much.<br /> |
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:{{plus}} Not necessarily. The future can change with every action taken by any of the characters, so he might never die (he also might never be born at all but that's another theory).<br /> |
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{{note}} Is it actually worth debating whether or not Noah likes... <i>waffles?</i> Seems a little ridiculous. Does this actually count as a theory?<br /> |
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:{{note}} A theory is a theory :D<br /> |
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{{plus}} Everyone loves waffles. Anyone who doesn't is a [[Kaito Nakamura|communist]], and Noah's too young to practice Communism. |
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| Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet) | None. | + HRG have no abilities, so he injected himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger.
- Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son.
- In Resistance, Claire talks about the loss of her parents.
+ In "Behind the Eclipse: Week 3, authors Aron Coliete and Joe Pokaski pick up this idea but give it a little twist: Gabriel Gray IS HRG's father, but somehow little Noah timetravels back into the 60's and grows up to be HRG. This would not involve any backwards aging and is possible due to characters like Peter and Hiro being able to timetravel.
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| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". | In One of Us, One of Them, Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. | + Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in "I am become Death", he does it for his son. |
| Noah is adopted. | None. | + There is no evidence of Noah's mother. - Again, Zachary Quinto has commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current Heroes character and that she is "very much alive and silver-tongued. • Yes, but did he didn't specifically say Sylar was the biological father. |
| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. | None. | + Power heredity exists in the Heroes universe. |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. | The sex between the two is implied at the end of Truth & Consequences. | + She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. |
| Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar, who will become involved at some point. | Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). | + In the French advertisement for Season 3 of Heroes, the trailer shows a scary, but rather sexual interaction between Sylar and Elle, with Elle lying on her back as Sylar whispers "I'm a psychopathic killer" and Elle responds "Takes one to know one." + In the latest edition on Entertainment Weekly, the writers discuss a scene between Sylar and Elle that includes zitti, champigne, and murder from the past in which Elle turns Sylar into a killer, showing that their relationship has depth. |
| Sylar and Claire Bennett will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. | Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. | - The biggest thing is, Sylar/Gabriel is Claire's uncle!
+ In The Second Coming, Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her.
+ When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional.
+ In the future, Claire states "I'm special, remember?"--the same line Sylar says to her after he takes her ability.
+ In Angels and Monsters, Sylar saved Claire from Stephen Canfield, showing that the writers are trying to build a relationship between them.
+ With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity", etc.
+ The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). Plus, Claire has been portrayed as the hot young cheerleader throughout the show, even when she was younger in past seasons. Alongside this she is already maturing much in this season, has has already had her first boyfriend situation in season 2.
- Claire doesn't care about Noah Gray at all.
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| Noah liked waffles. | He was seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles. | + He was extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles. + He was eating the waffles. |
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