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| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Episode:Truth & Consequences|Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. <br /> |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Episode:Truth & Consequences|Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. <br /> |
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{{minus}} Noah shows absolutely no signs of having Hispanic origins. Also, it is highly doubtful that Maya could forgive Sylar for killing her brother.<br /> |
{{minus}} Noah shows absolutely no signs of having Hispanic origins. Also, it is highly doubtful that Maya could forgive Sylar for killing her brother.<br /> |
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| Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar, who will become involved at some point. || Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). || {{plus}} In the French advertisement for Season 3 of Heroes, the trailer shows a scary, but rather sexual interaction between Sylar and Elle, with Elle lying on her back as Sylar whispers "I'm a psychopathic killer" and Elle responds "Takes one to know one." <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the latest edition on Entertainment Weekly, the writers discuss a scene between Sylar and Elle that includes zitti, champigne, and murder from the past in which Elle turns Sylar into a killer, showing that their relationship has depth. <br /> |
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{{plus}} When asked if Elle would have a relationship in the future, Heroes cast responded that she is set to have a cute romance ahead, and Zachary Quinto has already stated that Noah's mother is a current Heroes character and that she is very much alive and "silver-tongued." <br /> |
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| Sylar and Claire Bennett will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || {{minus}} The biggest thing is, Sylar/Gabriel is Claire's uncle! |
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{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]'', Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} When Sylar said, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to", he is implying about Claire not dying. |
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{{plus}} When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} He is just giving examples about questions that cannot be answered! |
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{{plus}} In the future, Claire states "I'm special, remember?"--the same line Sylar says to her after he takes her ability. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Claire could have "Stockholm Syndrome" where the abused come to love their captors. <br /> |
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{{plus}} Sylar and Claire's relationship is already sexualized, as her experience with him has been a sort of "brain rape."<br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future, in ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'', Sylar lives in Claire's house and has named his child after Claire's dad, and even has Claire's dog, and the writers make it a point to refer to him as Mr. Muggles so there can be no mistake. <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire is extremely nervous to go see Sylar, even though she probably shouldn't be afraid of him anymore since he has become so harmless, implying that perhaps they have some kind of other past together like a relationship. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} She was afraid to have to kill Peter again, not to see Sylar. |
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<br /> {{plus}} No, in the episode they distinctly say that she is afraid to see Sylar. <br /> |
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{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire says to Sylar "You took everything from me" in reference to her house, etc; and possibly to her child; and then moves her gun's aim from Peter to Sylar, as perhaps she has anger about a deeper past together. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} Why would she be angry about Sylar taking her son, then show absolutely no remorse when he is killed? |
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{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]]'', Sylar saved Claire from [[Stephen Canfield]], showing that the writers are trying to build a relationship between them. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} This doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a romantic relationship. |
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{{plus}} With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity", etc.<br /> |
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{{plus}} Hayden Panetierre has stated that Claire will not get a significant other on the show for at least a few more episodes, leaving time for the writers to go even more in depth into the Sylar/Claire relationship that has so far been very important to this season. <br /> |
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{{minus}} Assuming the recent revelations about Sylar can be taken at face value, and Sylar is indeed Angela Petrelli's son, he is Nathan's brother and Claire's uncle. An incestuous relationship (where the two people's ages are 17 and 30) on a network TV show is not terribly likely. A child as the result of an incestuous relationship is even unlikelier. |
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{{plus}} The show is obviously making a sexual connection between Claire and Peter, who are also niece and uncle, like when she says "I've always loved you Peter" in ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]''. <br /> |
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:{{minus}} This couldn't have been, say, a gesture of familial love?<br /> |
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{{plus}} The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). Plus, Claire has been portrayed as the hot young cheerleader throughout the show, even when she was younger in past seasons. Alongside this she is already maturing much in this season, has has already had her first boyfriend situation in season 2.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Sylar is Claire's uncle! |
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:{{minus}} Her "first boyfriend situation" was with someone her own age. |
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:{{minus}} Up to this point, Claire has always been portrayed as an innocent and somewhat naive character. Even if there were relationships between younger women and older men in other shows, the younger woman was always portrayed as significantly mature for her age, either sexually, emotionally, or both. |
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<br /> {{plus}} Notice that Claire is no longer very innocent and is becoming much more mature. And it is not true that older men with young women usually portray the young woman as mature, in fact they are usually played as young and naive to be dating an older man. Regardless of Claire's other reasons why she wouldn't be with Sylar, a 17 or 18 year old with a say, 30 year old is not a reason why they could not be together.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} Yeah, I have a reason and I'll say it again! SYLAR IS CLAIRE'S UNCLE! AND CLAIRE IS SYLAR'S NIECE! It's gonna be a hell of a disgusting show if Sylar rapes his niece.<br /> |
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:{{note}} It's as much a valid reason as it is an invalid reason.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Claire doesn't care about Noah Gray at all.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} He pointed a gun to Noah and willing to kill him without consequences.<br /> |
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:{{minus}} When Noah died, only Sylar showed sympathy, and even exploded the whole city.<br /> |
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{{minus}} Kring has already shot down Peter/Claire due to the incest factor and age difference. |
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|Meredith is the mother of Noah. || None. || {{plus}} Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. She has blonde hair, could be described as "silver-tongued", and of all the female characters, she has been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths will cross at some point.<br /> |
|Meredith is the mother of Noah. || None. || {{plus}} Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. She has blonde hair, could be described as "silver-tongued", and of all the female characters, she has been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths will cross at some point.<br /> |
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Revision as of 22:46, 16 November 2008
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The following fan theories are about Noah Gray.
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Theories
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| Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet) | None. | + HRG have no abilities, so he injected himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger.
- Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son.
- In Resistance, Claire talks about the loss of her parents.
+ In "Behind the Eclipse: Week 3, authors Aron Coliete and Joe Pokaski pick up this idea but give it a little twist: Gabriel Gray IS HRG's father, but somehow little Noah timetravels back into the 60's and grows up to be HRG. This would not involve any backwards aging and is possible due to characters like Peter and Hiro being able to timetravel.
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| Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". | In One of Us, One of Them, Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. | + Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in "I am become Death", he does it for his son. |
| Noah is adopted. | None. | + There is no evidence of Noah's mother. - Again, Zachary Quinto has commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current Heroes character and that she is "very much alive and silver-tongued. • Yes, but did he didn't specifically say Sylar was the biological father. |
| Like his father, Noah was an evolved human. | None. | + Power heredity exists in the Heroes universe. |
| Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. | The sex between the two is implied at the end of Truth & Consequences. | + She is the only woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. - Noah shows absolutely no signs of having Hispanic origins. Also, it is highly doubtful that Maya could forgive Sylar for killing her brother. |
| Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar, who will become involved at some point. | Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). | + In the French advertisement for Season 3 of Heroes, the trailer shows a scary, but rather sexual interaction between Sylar and Elle, with Elle lying on her back as Sylar whispers "I'm a psychopathic killer" and Elle responds "Takes one to know one." + In the latest edition on Entertainment Weekly, the writers discuss a scene between Sylar and Elle that includes zitti, champigne, and murder from the past in which Elle turns Sylar into a killer, showing that their relationship has depth. |
| Sylar and Claire Bennett will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. | Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. | - The biggest thing is, Sylar/Gabriel is Claire's uncle!
+ In The Second Coming, Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her.
+ When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional.
+ In the future, Claire states "I'm special, remember?"--the same line Sylar says to her after he takes her ability.
+ In Angels and Monsters, Sylar saved Claire from Stephen Canfield, showing that the writers are trying to build a relationship between them.
+ With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity", etc.
+ The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). Plus, Claire has been portrayed as the hot young cheerleader throughout the show, even when she was younger in past seasons. Alongside this she is already maturing much in this season, has has already had her first boyfriend situation in season 2.
- Claire doesn't care about Noah Gray at all.
- Kring has already shot down Peter/Claire due to the incest factor and age difference. |
| Meredith is the mother of Noah. | None. | + Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. She has blonde hair, could be described as "silver-tongued", and of all the female characters, she has been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths will cross at some point. - She wouldn't forgive him for attacking Claire.
- Meredith is older than Sylar.
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| Noah liked waffles. | He was seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles. | + He was extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles. + He was eating the waffles. |
| Niki Sanders is the mother of Noah. | Like other characters Noah has the blonde hair of Niki and the brown eyes of Gabriel | - Niki Sanders is dead. + Many of us Heroes fans are not convinced by that body in the casket. |
| Noah's mother is Elle. | + Sylar and Elle have a history together, as shown in Villians. + Elle has blonde hair. |
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| See Also: 9 • Red • Time travel • Noah Gray | |||||||||