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Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet).	None.	+ HRG have no abilities, so he injected himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger. - Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son. + Noah Gray is blond. + When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.
Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray".	In One of Us, One of Them, Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger.	+ Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in "I am become Death", he does it for his son.
Noah is adopted.	None.	+ There is no evidence of Noah's mother.
Like his father, Noah was an evolved human.	None.	+ Power heredity exists in the Heroes universe.
Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar.	The sex between the two is implied at the end of Truth & Consequences.	+ She and Elle are the only two woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar. - Noah Gray is as far as I can tell totally Caucasian and shows no sign of being from any other ethnicity. - It is highly doubtful that Maya would forgive Sylar for killing her brother.
Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar.	Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar).	+ Noah is born sometime in 2007, since he is about four years old in 2011.
Sylar and Claire Bennet will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah.	Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes.	+ In The Second Coming, Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her.
Meredith is the mother of Noah.	None.	+ Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. She has blond hair, and of all the female characters, she has been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths will cross at some point.
Noah liked waffles.	He was seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles.	+ He was extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles. + He was eating the waffles.
Niki Sanders is the mother of Noah.	Like other characters, Noah has the blond hair of Niki and the brown eyes of Gabriel.	- Niki Sanders is dead.

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 |Noah Gray is actually H.R.G. (Noah Bennet). || None. || {{plus}} HRG have no abilities, so he injected himself one, only to find out he became younger and younger.<br />
-:{{note}} Or de-aging people could be a new ability enacted on Noah. <br />
 {{minus}} Sylar was interacting with Noah on an intimate, familial level that would not make sense if this was his work partner, eg making him waffles, turning into a nuclear bomb when he dies, and calling him son. <br />
-{{minus}} Zachary Quinto has already commented that the mother of his son Noah is a current Heroes character and the she is "very much alive and silver-tongued," meaning that Noah is indeed the child of Sylar, and as stated below, it is unlikely that HRG could be Sylar's real child.<br />
-{{minus}} Just because they share a name doesn't mean they are the same person. It's more likely that Sylar named him after HRG because they will become close as partners with the Company. <br />
-{{plus}} If Noah Gray is 4 years old, and it's 2011, then he must be born in 2007, and Sylar doesn't have any known partner in those times.<br />
 {{plus}} Noah Gray is blond.<br />
 {{plus}} When Peter went to the future, H.R.G. is nowhere to be found.<br />
-:{{minus}} He couldn't have, say, died?<br />
-{{minus}} In ''[[Graphic Novel: Resistance|Resistance]]'', Claire talks about the loss of her parents.<br />
-:{{plus}} Her dad becoming a baby would count as a loss.<br />
-::{{minus}} She does not seem upset when he dies.<br />
-:::{{plus}} She might not know that it is him.<br />
-:::{{plus}} She had recently killed her uncle and didn't show much remorse.<br />
-::::{{minus}} She allowed herself a few moments to mourn her uncle, and having to kill him a second time.<br />
-::::{{minus}} She might not show much remorse because she believes she is fighting for the greater good.<br />
-{{plus}} In [http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18423 "Behind the Eclipse: Week 3], authors Aron Coliete and Joe Pokaski pick up this idea but give it a little twist: Gabriel Gray IS HRG's father, but somehow little Noah timetravels back into the 60's and grows up to be HRG. This would not involve any backwards aging and is possible due to characters like Peter and Hiro being able to timetravel.<br />
-:{{minus}} I would postulate that if Noah Gray time travels to the past to grow up as HRG, then [[Claire]]'s entire past would have been altered by Noah Gray being killed. Noah would have died before going back to become HRG, and [[Claire]] would have had a totally different life, which would have altered everything. Actually, the very act of killing Noah Grey would have likely changed the past extensively. What would the heroesverse be like if HRG had never existed?<br />
-::{{plus}} This is one of those time travel problems, but in my understanding, altering the future does not have the same effect as altering the past because the future is always subject to change. So if Noah Gray already time-traveled back in one possible future and has become a fixed part of the past, his death in an alternate future wouldn't change anything in the past. Also, it is most likely that the future in which Sylar explodes will be altered eventually.<br />
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 | Angela was the reason for the birth of "Noah Gray". || In ''[[Episode: One of Us, One of Them|One of Us, One of Them]]'', Angela states that she will "fix" his hunger. || {{plus}} Due to Angela's precognitive ability, she can see the future and thus know what will stop Sylar from giving in to his hunger. As Gabriel stated, in "I am become Death", he does it for his son.<br />
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 | Noah is the child of Maya and Sylar. || The sex between the two is implied at the end of ''[[Episode:Truth & Consequences|Truth & Consequences]]''. || {{plus}} She and Elle are the only two woman in the series to seem to have loved Sylar.<br />
-{{minus}} Noah Gray is as far as I can tell totally caucasian and shows no sign of being from any other ethnicity.
+{{minus}} Noah Gray is as far as I can tell totally Caucasian and shows no sign of being from any other ethnicity.
 {{minus}} It is highly doubtful that Maya would forgive Sylar for killing her brother.<br />
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 | Noah is the son of Elle and Sylar. || Noah resembles both of them (He is blond, like Elle, and has brown eyes, like Sylar). ||
+{{plus}} Noah is born sometime in 2007, since he is about four years old in 2011.<br />
-{{minus}} Sylar may have killed Elle.<br />
-:{{plus}} He just began scalping her and he stopped before he was done. The same thing happened in [[The Butterfly Effect]] and she lived through it. Her death hasn't been confirmed yet.
-{{plus}} Elle and Sylar had sexual intercourse in [[The Eclipse, Part 2]].<br />
-:{{plus}} Noah is born sometime in 2007, since he is about four years old in 2011.<br />
-[[minus]] Sylar really did kill Elle. Afterward he burned her body. So there is no hope that she is alive.Unless some major time travel happens.<br />
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 | Sylar and Claire Bennet will get together--briefly or permanently--resulting in Noah. || Noah resembles them both as well, with Claire's blond hair and Sylar's brown eyes. || {{plus}} In ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]'', Sylar tells Claire after he takes her power, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to," implying that he has fond feelings for her.<br />
-:{{minus}} When Sylar said, "You're special... and I couldn't kill you, even if I wanted to", he is implying about Claire not dying.<br />
-{{plus}} When Sylar took Claire's ability, he started talking about how to "make love stay," an odd but telling time for Sylar to become so emotional.<br />
-:{{minus}} He is just giving examples about questions that cannot be answered.<br />
-{{plus}} In the future, Claire states "I'm different, remember? Special."--much the same line Sylar says to her after he takes her ability.<br />
-:{{minus}} The line seems to refer to Claire being the catalyst.<br />
-{{plus}} Claire could have "Stockholm Syndrome" where the abused come to love their captors.<br />
-{{plus}} Sylar and Claire's relationship is already sexualized, as her experience with him has been a sort of "brain rape".<br />
-:{{minus}} Rape, brain rape or otherwise, is not about sex; it is about power. And brain rape is less like sex than conventional rape.<br />
-{{plus}} In the exposed future, in ''[[Episode:I Am Become Death|I Am Become Death]]'', Sylar lives in Claire's house and has named his child after Claire's dad, and even has Claire's dog, and the writers make it a point to refer to him as Mr. Muggles so there can be no mistake.<br />
-{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire is afraid to go see Sylar, even though she probably shouldn't be afraid of him anymore since he has become so harmless, implying that perhaps they have some kind of other past together like a relationship.<br />
-:{{minus}} Having one's head cut off is a hard thing to get over.<br />
-{{plus}} In the exposed future, Claire says to Sylar "You took everything from me" in reference to her house, etc; and possibly to her child; and then moves her gun's aim from Peter to Sylar, as perhaps she has anger about a deeper past together.<br />
-:{{minus}} Why would she be angry about Sylar taking her son, then show absolutely no remorse when he is killed?<br />
-{{plus}} In ''[[Episode:Angels and Monsters|Angels and Monsters]]'', Sylar saved Claire from [[Stephen Canfield]], showing that the writers are trying to build a relationship between them.<br />
-:{{minus}} This doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be a romantic relationship.<br />
-{{plus}} With Sylar's newfound ability to understand other people's feelings, he empathized with Claire when she was upset at HRG after he caused the Vortex man to commit suicide, and even though Claire still calls him a monster, she doesn't seem to truly come to peace with the situation, while Sylar smiles with tears in his eyes after talking about their misunderstood "humanity", etc.<br />
-{{minus}} Assuming the recent revelations about Sylar can be taken at face value, and Sylar is indeed Angela Petrelli's son, he is Nathan's brother and Claire's uncle. An incestuous relationship (where the two people's ages are 17 and 30) on a network TV show is not terribly likely. A child as the result of an incestuous relationship is even unlikelier.<br />
-:{{plus}} The point that Claire is too young for Sylar is unfounded--TV shows and modern media have always portrayed older men with younger women (and yes, 17 is a young woman, and Claire may be turning 18, that special number, sometime soon). Plus, Claire has been portrayed as the hot young cheerleader throughout the show, even when she was younger in past seasons. Alongside this she is already maturing much in this season; she has already had her first boyfriend situation in season 2.<br />
-::{{minus}} Her "first boyfriend situation" was with someone her own age.<br />
-::{{minus}} Up to this point, Claire has always been portrayed as an innocent and somewhat naive character. Even if there were relationships between younger women and older men in other shows, the younger woman was always portrayed as significantly mature for her age, either sexually, emotionally, or both.<br />
-:::{{plus}} Notice that Claire is no longer very innocent and is becoming much more mature. And it is not true that older men with young women usually portray the young woman as mature, in fact they are usually played as young and naive to be dating an older man. Regardless of Claire's other reasons why she wouldn't be with Sylar, a 17 or 18 year old with a say, 30 year old is not a reason why they could not be together.<br />
-:{{minus}} I'll just support the "SYLAR IS CLAIRE'S UNCLE" movement because of this factor - "HEROES" IS NOT "NIP/TUCK" WHERE EVERYONE RAPES EVERYONE! I don't exclude the possibility of an incest relationship or a rape, but I don't see Heroes getting into that.<br />
-:{{plus}} The show is obviously making a sexual connection between Claire and Peter, who are also niece and uncle, like when she says "I've always loved you Peter" in ''[[Episode:The Second Coming|The Second Coming]]''.<br />
-::{{minus}} This couldn't have been, say, a gesture of familial love?<br />
-{{minus}} Claire doesn't care about Noah Gray at all.<br />
-:{{minus}} She pointed a gun to Noah and was willing to kill him without consequences.<br />
-:{{minus}} When Noah died, only Sylar showed sympathy, and even blew up the whole city.<br />
-:{{plus}} SYLAR MAY NOT BE CLAIRE'S UNCLE AFTER ALL, as we have seen in a revelation in [[The Eclipse, Part 2]] thanks to a cornered HRG. It might be a lie, sure. But it might not be.<br />
-{{minus}} Kring has already shot down Peter/Claire due to the incest factor and age difference.<br />
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 |Meredith is the mother of Noah. || None. || {{plus}} Meredith is one of several characters who fits the little bit of information we have. She has blond hair, and of all the female characters, she has been hurt the least by Sylar. Also, with both of them working for the company, their paths will cross at some point.<br />
-{{minus}} She wouldn't forgive him for attacking Claire. <br />
-{{minus}} Claire shows no remorse at the death of what would be her half-brother. <br />
-:{{plus}} Either way, she showed no remorse that her little cousin was killed.<br />
-{{minus}} Meredith seems much older than Sylar. <br />
-:{{plus}} That isn't known for sure. We know that Nathan and Meredith are of similar age and it's not know whether Sylar is the oldest, middle, or youngest of the brothers. It's possible he's the oldest which means Meredith would be in his age range. <br />
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 |Noah liked waffles. || He was seen eating and enjoying quality time with waffles. || {{plus}} He was extremely happy when Gabriel helps him to eat waffles.<br />
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 |[[Niki Sanders]] is the mother of Noah. || Like other characters, Noah has the blond hair of Niki and the brown eyes of Gabriel. || {{minus}} Niki Sanders is dead.<br />
-:{{plus}} Many of us Heroes fans are not convinced by that body in the casket.<br />
-::{{minus}} Many of us were convinced, although, as with comic books, death doesn't always mean "death".<br />
-{{minus}} The writers have stated that Niki Sanders was written off the show, because the character couldn't go further.<br />
-:{{plus}} But since many Heroes fans are clamoring for Niki's return, the writers might actually listen and find a way to bring her back....possibly in this manner.
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