Fan Creation talk:Women in Refrigerators

Women not on the list

Just a side list I thought I should add (maybe for future reference?):

• Chelsea Cab Company boss
• FBI agent
• Paulette Hawkins
• Hotspur employee
• Lisa
• Lynette
• Medical examiner
• Mohinder's grandmother
• Mohinder's mother
• Janice Parkman
• Angela Petrelli
• Roulette dealer
• Miss Sakamoto
• Mira Shenoy
• Tina

It's amazing how skewed these lists are - and how many women on the list above are very very minor players. Hmm. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2007 (EST)

OK, I think we should separate the list into first-class refrigirator women, and the more fuzzy cases. Charlie is the prime example. She had absolutely no point except to die to Hiro could become a Real Man (I loved the arc, but I can't deny the sereotype it fulfills). Eden's stepmother just is a dead woman, but she doesn't nearly fulfill the criteria as well as Charlie and a few others. Cuardin 11:45, 12 January 2007 (EST)

• OK, I wrote up a Men in Refrigerators page which shows how I see the * in Refrigerators phenomenon. Unless someone objects, I want to format this page in the same way. - Cuardin 13:01, 12 January 2007 (EST)
  • I believe when Gail Simone started her list, it was very much not to be a commentary or a judgment or anything, but just "an observation, draw your own conclusions". Obviously it has implications for our society. It's dangerous if we try to analyze, categorize, or somehow make judgments based on this list, especially in our wiki. I wouldn't separate the list (keeping in line with Gail Simone's original list) - I don't want to speak for Hardvice, but I'm sure he was just cataloguing similar instances, in essence adding to Simone's list. I'd just be careful if we try to interject our thoughts or judgments too much on the list. I think it stands as a pretty good testimony of - well, of whatever people want/need to make of it. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Discussion

The list is probably a good commentary on how our society in general views the sexes. When something bad happens to a man, he's expected to endure it and come out stronger. When something bad happens to a woman, a man is expected to go to her rescue. Audiences react more strongly to victimization of women than victimization of men. You see this disparity play out in virtually all entertainment, not just comics and comic-related shows or movies. --Ted C 11:56, 12 January 2007 (EST)