Talk:Space-time manipulation
This article could use an image and references. --Ted C 15:16, 8 December 2006 (EST)
Examples Limit
The Examples section is way too long. Heroe 14:43, 3 January 2007 (EST)
- We've already discussed the possibility of limiting the number of examples in Powers pages, as they would grow out of control over the course of a 5-year plotline. Identify which examples you think are best, and how many you think should be the max for one Powers page. --Ted C 14:46, 3 January 2007 (EST)
- I agree it's at its max, but not that it's too long. I think if we add any more examples, we'll have to take some out (perhaps some of the less dynamic examples, like teleporting into the ladies room). Let's discuss possibilities before deleting examples, though.
Just another suggestion - perhaps, for the completionist in me, we could have just a few illustrative examples on each individual power page, and then a link to another full and complete list, perhaps something called "List of Space-time manipulation examples"? Thoughts? - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2007 (EST)
- See here for further discussion.
Manipulation is misnomer
"Exactly how this ability works is unclear." Using the phrase "stopping time" is actually a misnomer. We can only venture into speculation this early in the series, but we can't jump to the conclusion that he can affect time or space in any manner. In fact, time is but a measurement, from the limited perception of we linear temporal beings. Time doesn't really exist any more than a 'meter' or a 'fathom' exists. Comparing the time he stopped time in front of Micah & DL to the time he failed to stop time to get the sword and slowed it instead, I believe it safe for us to presume that Hiro is not stopping and starting time. He is only realigning his place in time, much like moving a needle on the grooves of a record. To be honest, if he literally stopped all time in the universe, that would include gravity, causing him to hurl out into space like an ant being thrown off a spinning orange. Since gravity is not affected, and he can breathe normally, and other laws of physics seem to affect him like the size and weight of surrounding objects, he's not altering reality in any manner, just his relation to it. In fact, it's really the only rational explanation based on what we've thus far observed. He doesn't stop time. He speeds up or slows down, puts himself in reverse, or fast forwards himself through reality, outside temporal constraints. In fact, I would go so far as to say whatever Hiro does has nothing in common with people whose genetics have been affected. Hiro's ability is not merely a genetic mutation. It's something beyond mere humanoid biology. -- ZachsMind 15:56, 3 February 2007 (EST)
- I don't think it is necessary to try to describe any of the abilities on Heroes in a way that agrees with real life science. We can take for granted that none of them will stand up to that scrutiny. I don't agree with everything you say about time on a philosophical level. But it really isn't necessary to even get into that debate here, because when Hiro describes his own power he says that he can bend time and space. So I think "space-time manipulation" is about as good as we can get for now.--E rowe 16:06, 3 February 2007 (EST)
Character section
If you are not going to allow the Peter comment on this section, then also a change in the Episode description should also be amended as it says "but Peter manages to stop time right before the probes reach him and causes them to drop to the ground". Now, do consider that when he used TK the background sound was entirely different as when he "allegedly" stopped time. When he "allegedly" did so, the sound and animation effect used were more consistent with Hiro's abilities. (which happened to have a "trademark" sound/effect) --Cjfer
- I didn't know it was there. I'll fix. --Ted C 11:12, 20 February 2007 (EST)
Montecito / Corinthian
I got the impression they're two different casinos. I mean, they'd be hard pressed to say that the scenes from Collision & Run! took place in the Corinthian, since everything has "Montecito" plastered all over it. Also, the sets are completely different. It's also worth noting that the Corinthian website calls it Linderman's newest casino.--Hardvice (talk) 16:02, 6 March 2007 (EST)