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Empathic Mimicry

When Peter meets Future Hiro on the Subway train I think he is uneffected by the Space/time manipulation because he absorbed it unintentionally from Hiro not because Hiro left him unfrozen this is only my own opinion I don't mind if you don't agree BrainRemovalMan 15:36, 9 May 2009

Is this why the page says Future Hiro is able to selectively include others in freezing time? We've seen him do this with Noah Bennet in Heroes Reborn but I can't remember him doing it in the original series. I agree with Ryangibsonstewart; it always seemed to me like Peter stayed unfrozen because he absorbed the ability. --Tikalal (talk) 08:58, 31 October 2015 (EDT)

Danko Reaction in "An Invisible Thread"

--50000JH 13:01, 27 May 2009 (EDT) Hiro stops time once more to take the tranquilizer from him and injects Danko with it. Hiro reverts time and then collapses. When Danko was about to insert Noah with the tranquilizer, the tranquilizer disappears and Danko looks quickly. If Hiro stops time would we see him physically take the tranquilizer from Danko. As both Noah and Danko were not frozen. as they previously were in the cell. 50000JH

The scene was shown in the perspective of Noah and Danko, just because they didn't show Hiro taking the tranquilizer doesn't mean he didn't, the "viewers" were also frozen in time, so to speak. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:53, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Hiro's Illness

Why do you guys think Hiro's now "sick" from regaining his ability? To put an extra limitation on his abilities, perhaps?--ERROR 19:15, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

  • All we know via Mohinder is that Hiro's body is rejecting the ability, don't know how that'll be in Season 4, but it shouldn't last long. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 19:17, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
    • Perhaps there's more to Arthur's or Baby Matt's powers than meets the eye... Perhaps they are the antithesis of each other and not to be used on the same subject. Maybe Baby Matt's ability has a limit or expiration date on the subjects he uses it on. Do you guys think any of these theories are plausible?--Anthony Gooch 19:35, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
      • Well, Mohinder said that it's like Hiro's body is normal human, so it's a strain for it to have an evolved human ability, so I think that it's just Matt's ability not being strong enough, since he's just a baby. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 20:04, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmmm... Yeah, I know about the whole "Your body is rejecting these abilities" thing. What I'm trying to ask is, "Why are the writers doing this?" I should have been more specific...--ERROR 13:07, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Perhaps they're bored or can't think of anything else to do with Hiro for the time being.--Anthony Gooch 13:27, 5 June 2009 (EDT)

If you inject Hiro with Claire blood or find a heal like Linderman then I wonder if the ability be there but the side effects would fade.50000JH

  • Look, I have an idea. In the exposed future Hiro had his power stolen and partially restored by baby Matt, and poor Hiro bled from everywhere. When Ando blasted him with red lightning, he supercharged Hiro's imperfect ability, which killed him - maybe his brain exploded or something. My thought is: Hiro must not be supercharged, or he will die. -- Altes 03:25, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Nice theory.--ERROR 18:49, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

  • Ishi, his owner mother, damned him with the tumor, the kiss of death! lol, just joking :p -- (WaterRatj) 19:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Time traveler's possible death

Not so long ago I thought: if a time traveler goes to 2432 or 1885 and dies there, what would be his/her date of death? For example, Hiro. Forget he cannot time travel anymore. He was born in about 1980. Imagine the words on Hiro's grave: "HIRO NAKAMURA. 1980-1885". Nice, eh? -- Altes 08:27, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

time manipulation fast forward and speed time up

If Hiro was in a cue could he do the opposite of reversing time or slowing down time. I was reading time travel section and it had multiverse is like a video player in that it can rewind and fastforward [50000JH]

Space manipulation

Hiro old abilities include: folding time, time tavel; folding space, teleportation and time manipulation reversing, slowing and stopping time. His old should let him manipulate space, dimensions, relativity, the black holes that are created with gravitational manipulation and gravity as it is considered space and time manipulation.50000JH

Space-Time Manipulation does not include teleportation...

After reading through the latest I story, Hiro is teleported with Rachel Mills and says "I prefer bending space." To me this says that Hiro's teleportation is not particularly like Rachel's. Does anyone else understand what I'm saying? --mc_hammark 08:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • I'm guessing that when Hiro fold time and space, that the location that he is in and the location that he is going in over lap, so the places comes to him but he doesn't go to the place, but he keeps other stationary when he does it and it like a box that he created. Where as Rachel teleportation the place does not come to her but she goes to it. I know it sounds odd. 50000JH
    • True, it does sound odd (lol), but that does make some sense.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 16:47, 3 September 2009 (EDT)
      • Interesting, an aspect of Hiro's ability isn't the same as Rachel's... Maybe they work differently? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
        • Folding space the person can transfer longer distances, Ando supercharged Rachel ability this be folding space.50000JH
          • You didn't get it. What was said implies that while Hiro's ability folded space to let him go places, Rachel's ability doesn't do the exact same thing, even though it ends up having a similar effect. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 21:17, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Daphne's question to Hiro... The Second Coming, Daphne asks Hiro that if he stops time in one place does it stop in another. Well, in Hiros, when Future Hiro stops time on the train, it seems to keep going for present Hiro as I'm sure he would have wondered why it had suddenly stopped and we would have seen something like that. --mc_hammark 15:43, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

  • It may stop time, but they may not know it. For instance, the time (as in clock) stops, but only Future Hiro and Peter can sense the "stopping" they are the only ones that can feel it. The whole world stops, BUT them. When Hiro stopped time in this last volume, once with Baby Matt, and another with Ando. With both, Hiro touched both of them and then they could move with Hiro. But (like the time with Baby Matt) when Hiro carried Ando all around town in the wheel barrow, everyone else was frozen. Only the people that it affects, effects time for them. The others don't realize it. Even their thoughts freeze. (Freeze as in put on hold not Tracy's power) --Iheartheroes 16:14, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
    • According to BTE, time does stop everywhere... And what was the present-day Hiro doing when Future Hiro stopped time? Green.gif AltesUTC CH
  • What I think she said was "If you followed me to Bangkok, would time stay frozen in Tokyo?". --Leckie -- Talk 12:29, 21 January 2010 (EST)
    • yeah, i know that was the question, but what I was asking before was, if time stopped everywhere, would any other hiro in that timeline stop with the rest of humanity, or would he "step-out" of time as well... and as of OUATIT we know that any other hiro does stop. --mc_hammark 12:39, 21 January 2010 (EST)

In the second coming...

...when hiro reverses and speeds up his clock why doesn't ando and the family lawyer come in at super speed to talk to hiro? Surely if he speeds up time to a point after that he would see ando and the lawyer come in even if just for a few seconds. Doesn't make sense to me... --mc_hammark 16:18, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

Hiro, Frozen in time

Anorld or Peter can only save Hiro, the only question is will Peter pick the same thing that Hiro has got witch is slowly killing him? 50000JH

Recent interview with Masi Oka

He said Ando was the first one Hiro stopped time with, but in fact, it was baby Matt (Cold Snap). Also, it didn't look to me like Hiro brought Suresh in the frozen time (An Invisible Thread). Green.gif AltesUTC CH

HIro's restored ability

You know, he may have it all back and just hasn't teleported yet. Think about it: he time traveled into the past, but his time travel took him to the carnival so he may have regained teleportation for that to have happened unless that's just an aspect of his time travel.--WarGrowlmon18 15:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • If he moved to a different place, he teleported. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:47, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • He did seem to as he time traveled directly to that carnival and I seriously doubt that was at Yamagato, but beyond that during his time traveling, he still hasn't displayed it seperatly unless that's what he used when he disappeared there at the end of Acceptance. I say we leave it as is until we get some kind of confirmation he got that part of his ability back. I got the idea from Wikipedia and wanted people's opinions on this matter.--WarGrowlmon18 17:15, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
      • No, I think rather than explicitly saying that he hasn't gotten his teleportation abilities back, we should just not say anything about it at all. That would be a much better choice. That way, it doesn't matter if we're right or wrong because we haven't said anything. But if we say that he hasn't gotten the ability back, and he actually has, then we're wrong. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
        • I'd say just leave it as is for now. I don't think there's anything that says he hasn't gotten it back and leave his page the same where it says just partaily restored because as far as we know, that's the truth until we actually see him teleport somewhere besides through time.--WarGrowlmon18 18:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
          • He's teleported to peter's apartment.Gamerelite1 22:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)


I don't think Hiro is (consciously) controlling his ability. They showed Ando mentioned that he can't control his power in the recap. Hiro showed no indication of trying to use his ability; he just disappeared like in Orientation. - Josh (talk/contribs) 19:00, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

  • Yeah but its been some time since Orientation and Jump, Push, Fall (enough for Noah to have recovered and Peter to have rescued many people with his super speed). Hiro probably practiced and regained control of his time travel ability off-screen. Ando said that after Hiro returned from the past which Hiro indeed couldn't control at that time, but he'd just got his power back. Not everything is done on-screen and he time traveled 47 times. I seriously doubt he could have done that without control. I think he managed to gain control of it again probably through practice. When he time traveled in Orientaion and Jump, Push, Fall he couldn't control when he'd leave and come back, but he definitly seemed to control that here. I think he can control it now again. Remember it did take Peter awhile to control his new power when he got it. Hiro could control stopping time immediatly because that's easy, but time travel takes a lot more work and control as he has to specificly focus on where and when he wants to go. He was a bit out of practice when he got it back and that could have contributed to that also. His disappearence may have to do with his illness and the effects it has on his power: he got frozen in time using it because of the illness remember??? Well he did have one of his headaches just before disappearing so that probably caused that.--WarGrowlmon18 20:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
    • Actually it looked like he was accidentally teleporting. Every time takeshi would jump, hiro would scream something about being able to save him, then teleport. It didn't look like he was purposely doing it either. He just started jumping through time.

SINCE there is a part of the brain that controls abilities, it can be assumed that a tumor could develop in or near it. If Hiro's tumor is in that node of the brain, it's possible that large enough changes in it's state would trigger abilities against Hiro's will or cause his ability to malfunction. My money's on the fact that this IS the case. Also this tumor could be crossing wires, causing the paths to certain memories to, given stong enough voltage, to stimulate the bit that causes a teleportation.--SacValleyDweller (talk) 00:37, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

The Physics of Stopped (Incredibly slowed down) Time?

My main question of this is if Hiro froze time, then moved across the room, would he push the air molecules out of the way? And if he did, when he unfroze time, would he cause a thunder crash from the molecules crashing together? Also, would there be either no friction and gravity? Like if Hiro pushed someone sitting in a chair, would they hover there? -- Zaxbees 22:55, 28 October 2009

  • Artistic license. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 17:43, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
    • I think that when Hiro stops time, he creates a dimensional bubble around himself that allows time to continue normally. This is why he is able to breathe and not suffocate as the air molecules would be very stiff. So he is free to walk around and interact with objects in frozen space, and if he manipulates them enough can bring them into his regular time bubble. At least that's how I tell myself he's doing it, see if it works for you. -Barbedknives (talk)13:47, 5 November 2009 (EST)
      • I would say that either he's immune to the harmful effects of his ability, or that he extends his ability, at least partially, to the things he interacts with. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 16:09, 5 November 2009 (EST)
        • The numerous flaws inherent in the concept of 'freezing' time extend beyond what a 'dimensional bubble' would solve. Everything outside of this bubble would be in pure black darkness, for instance, as light waves would stop moving. So I think it's best to go with the 'artistic license' point, and not worry too much about what is and isn't affected by time stopping in this respect. --EkimCF 15:35, 29 November 2009 (EST)
          • Not exactly. It's been stated by the writers that Hiro doesn't actually freeze time, he just slows it down to an extremely tiny fraction of it's normal speed. And from his perspective, time continues normally. Photons of light would still be traveling to their destination, albeit extremely slowly and from his dimensional bubble would still refract light into Hiro's cornea. Now shadows on the other hand would be tricky. Again the bubble theory is all speculation, because it hasn't been explained exactly what happens to Hiro when he slows time to a crawl. First of all, matter would be moving so slow as to reduce their temperature close to absolute zero. Secondly, the atmosphere is still made of matter, so if it is slowed incredibly it would mean that Hiro would have to trudge through the air as if it were a heavy goo, assuming he could breathe at all. Also, as you said light wouldn't travel into his eyes as fast but instead of being dark, he would just see a flash frame of the object as it were when he froze it. So for example, looking at a piece of paper on a desk in frozen time would look like a piece of paper. When you look at it in frozen time you'd see the desk, but as you walked over and bumped into it, it would still appear in it's same position when before you bumped it. It's crazy stuff, and obviously not what's happening in the show. -Barbedknives (talk)20:13, 11 December 2009 (EST)
            • Photons always travel at the speed of light; they cannot be slowed down. There's no problem with Hiro seeing when time slows down; light reaches his eyes normally. All thanks to Einstein's special relativity.--Referos 21:47, 11 December 2009 (EST)
              • Photons move at 300,000 kilometres per second, but if this second lasts for an hour, then photons will be slowed down too. You know, this reminds me of a Russian novel "Doomsday". The Earth flew into an area which slowed the light down, and everybody saw things which happened five minutes ago, and visible light spectrum was distorted. It was really weird. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
                • Ok, sure, light can be slowed down depending on the medium, but that's not what happens when Hiro uses his ability. All inertial observers must see light travelling at the same speed, otherwise physics explodes.--Referos 09:58, 12 December 2009 (EST)


Is it possible that if someone had used the time manipulation aspect so much that both parts would become broken (IE: slipping through time, flash forward time in years)? --TrueBlueBrooklynite 13:42, 5 November 2009 (EST)

  • It's hard to say exactly how it works, Hiro and Arnold seem to be effected by overuse of the ability but it's impossible to know how it affects the time-space continuum or whether the ability degrades after continuous use - Jenx222 | U / T / C 13:48, 5 November 2009 (EST)

Oh no! The writers broke this power

When future hiro used this power, past hiro was frozen in time. So users of this ability are only sometimes immune to time stopping?

  • Looks like it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 18:07, 5 November 2009 (EST)
    • Future Hiro's power is broken... maybe now it affects other STMers as well. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
      • But it isn't broken. We found out the tumor is normal and that hiro is regaining control of his power. My guess is that young hiro isn't skilled enough to have an immunity yet. Gamerelite1
        • But Peter didn't freeze in the subway train when Future Hiro stopped time. However, he may be a different case because of his power... By the way, don't forget to add your signature. Green.gif AltesUTC CH
          • I may be mistaken, but wasn't Past Hiro in the bathroom when Current Hiro stopped time? -Vampirate68 | Talk | Contribs | 09:10, 7 November 2009 (EST)
              • Yes. And future hiro walked up to him and unfroze time.Gamerelite1 22:37, 7 November 2009 (EST)


Can someone shrink down Hiro's section? It's monstrously huge. That's what we have examples pages for. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 12:51, 24 November 2009 (EST)

Future Hiro

  • Is the section about Future Hiro even necessary? I mean, we never mention the future versions of characters in abilities page (with the exception of people with multiple powers, since their future selves can have different abilities than their past selves). Electronic communication has no section for Future Hana. Telepathy has no section for Future Matt. Flight has no section for Future Nathan. Clairvoyance has no section for Future Molly. Super speed has no section for Future Daphne. But space-time manipulation has a section for Future Hiro? Besides, it is really weird that we have a section for Hiro from the explosion future but not from the exposed future.--Referos 18:14, 27 November 2009 (EST)
  • To me, future Hiro had a bigger part that any other future character. And I the exposed future hiro we saw was only seen for 10 seconds, being killed by future ando.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 18:20, 27 November 2009 (EST)
    • Peter from the exposed future also played a crucial role in season 3, yet we don't devote a section of empathic mimicry to him.--Referos 18:25, 27 November 2009 (EST)
      • I feel like anyone from the future who comes to the present (since they now impact the "primary timeline") should be listed. This means Hiro Nakamura (explosion future) and Peter Petrelli (exposed future). --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:13, 28 November 2009 (EST)
        • I think there's a section for Future Hiro because he had much more control over his ability than Present Hiro. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 07:13, 29 November 2009 (EST)
          • I agree. There should only be future sections when there is something to say about the future characters. - Josh (talk/contribs) 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)
            • I also agree, I think it's great to see how abilities can develop in the future. Providing we see adequate use of the future characters ability in an episode then it deserves its own section. - Jenx222 | U / T / C | <inlcudeonly>08:00, 7 January 2012 (EST) 18:53, 7 December 2009 (EST)
  • Why are we listing Future Hiro & especially Peter? I mean, if you list the two Future Peter's then you're gonna have to put Future Peter Petrelli (exposed and explosion) for EVERY ability we know the Future Peters had, why only STM? It's messy and unnecessary.--Evil Maldini 13:06, 11 December 2009 (EST)
    • Because Explosion Hiro and Exposed Peter used STM to go to the past and (DRASTICALLY) alter the course of time. By doing this, their use of the power is very notable. The other powers Peter had are less so because (for the most part), Peter had no additional powers in the future than he did in the past (body insertion and pyrokinesis being examples of exceptions) --Ricard Desi (t,c) 13:34, 12 December 2009 (EST)
      • The usage is notable, and could be put in the notes section, but it isn't grounds to add the future version of the same character in the holders box. It still is logistically needless. If the Hiro of the present has the power, then any Hiro from the future must also have it, unless of course it had been stolen or suppressed or something at some point between the present and whenever future the respective Future Hiro/Peter/whomever is from, in which case there would be no need to add them to the page in the first place. I appreciate what you're saying about how they used it to make a difference, but that box is a list of separate characters who possess this ability- listing the Hiro and Peter that we now have, it has created: a)a duplicate of any specific character in that box and b) inconsistencies with all the other future characters from the series. As the poster above said, we don't list Future Matt in Telepathy or any other future character for that matter, so we shouldn't list Hiro and Peter here, unless we are going to add all the other Future versions of people for all the other abilities. It doesn't matter what they've done with the power, that box isn't the place for it to be acknowledged.--Evil Maldini 16:21, 13 December 2009 (EST)

Interacting with Objects in Frozen Time

Say Hiro punched someone in frozen time. Would the person move, but stay frozen (Like when he moved Ando in the wheelbarrow)? Further more, if he had tripped and Ando had fallen out of the wheelbarrow, would he have felt it when Hiro onfroze time?--User: Zaxbeez

  • I think so. Because even if time froze, and Ando hit his head falling out, it is still a blow to the head, and will probably cause a bruise.--Catalyst · Talk · HL 13:38, 28 November 2009 (EST)

The Negative Health...

Should it be mentioned as part of the ability in general that usage over time leads to negative health issues? We know that both Arnold and Hiro have developed brain tumours from using this power- Arnold now of course is deceased, and Hiro cannot use his power more than once anymore without having some kind of headache or nosebleed. Of course, we know that Peter and Arthur (and more specifically Future Peter who used this power all the time) developed no issues from using it but they all possessed Rapid Cell Regeneration so that makes sense. Sylar also mentioned that the usage of Hiro's power "must get tiring" and he understands how abilities work. What do people think? Is it worth mentioning about the ability in general- not just Hiro?--Evil Maldini 13:03, 16 December 2009 (EST)

  • We don't know what caused Arnold's tumor, it just happened to be a brain one. Hiro's on the other hand, was caused because he started "bringing" people to his frozen time world. If he hadn't started doing that, it's likely Hiro wouldn't have gotten a tumor. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 13:28, 16 December 2009 (EST)
    • Nobody said abilities won't have impact on your health. Especially if you mess with space-time continuum. I guess... it's still an alien environment for humans even if they can control it to some degree. Green.gif AltesUTC CH 13:54, 16 December 2009 (EST)
      • I think it's fair to make the point- two STMers, both develop Brain Tumours, one of them we know for sure as a result of mis-using the ability. Stands to reason that Arnold also developed the tumour this way- the carnies all knew that asking him to use his power was killing him faster, how many times must he have 'taken' Samuel and others with him? I think this is more than a coincidence. It's all stemming from this specific ability.--Evil Maldini 15:01, 16 December 2009 (EST)
        • Taking people to other times is one thing, Hiro did that long before he got the tumor. We never heard of Arnold freezing time without freezing someone else, like Hiro did. Plus, Arnold is elderly, chances of getting cancer increases with age. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 15:39, 16 December 2009 (EST)
  • Can someone show me where it said that its because of bringing people to the past or while using his ability? -- (WaterRatj) 07:26, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • It's one of those interviews everyone reads once, but can never find the link again when they look for it. Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 10:57, 24 February 2010 (EST)


This page is enormous, there is no need to recount of every time people use this ability, that what we have example pages for. Anyone up for the trimming? Intuitive Empath - Talk - Contributions 08:49, 12 January 2010 (EST)

  • Could take a while, but sure why not? :) --Leckie -- Talk 12:38, 12 January 2010 (EST)
  • The "Hiro's partially restored ability" and "Hiro's weakened" sections are superflous, imo. They can be explained in a sentence or two in Hiro's section.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:35, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • I've removed the sections. If anyone feels that important information was lost, add it to Hiro's section of the page (if you must). There is no need for it to have its own category.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:45, 24 February 2010 (EST)


Dunno how to fix it, but there's a red link in the abilities navbar that's a category up for deletion that someone made. I don't know how to remove it though. --mc_hammark 15:48, 24 February 2010 (EST)

  • I undid my recent edits to see if it would correct itself, but no luck. It apparently is linked on this page and terrakinesis, even though I can't find it on either page.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 15:58, 24 February 2010 (EST)
    • It seems to be all the abilities. It's really annoying me now... --mc_hammark 16:00, 24 February 2010 (EST)

Teleporting Vertical

The episdoe when Ando saved the little girl's cat, I was thinking couldn't Hiro teleport up onto where the cat was.--50000JH 12:17, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

  • Hiro's powers were still on the fritz at that point, it wouldn't have been safe for him to do that. --Ricard Desi 12:40, 18 March 2010 (EDT)

Superspeed and STM

So Daphne is fast enough to be normal-speed when Hiro freezes time. If Nathan could fly fast enough, would it have the same effect? --Boycool Two little mice fell in a bucket of cream. The first mouse quickly gave up and drowned. The second mouse wouldn't quit. He struggled so hard that eventually he churned that cream into butter and crawled out. Amen. 17:43, 24 May 2010 (EDT)

  • Not necessarily. Daphne's ability affects all movement, so it's easy for her to interact with Hiro while time is frozen. Nathan'd have to be flying the whole time and his reaction time may not keep up with his speed.--PJDEP - Talk - Polls and Opinions 18:06, 24 May 2010 (EDT)


As they say in doctor who, time whiney: So, we know the first time June 13th happened, that Nathan aka Tommy and Malina were traveled back in time by another evo with space-time manipulation; we know, that the younger Hiro was trapped, at that point then, in the game "evernow" and as he told Miko's dad, I've not time traveled in ages, unless he was lying, and was the one to time travel 14/15 years ago, and then traveled back to 13th June 2014 in order where, he needed to be before, he was trapped in the game.

I know all of this, sounds confusing, but Hiro couldn't use his ability in "evernow" and Nathan and Malina are 15 years old, when, Hiro was in the game(talk) 09:30, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

  • I think it's basically predestination. From the perspective of June 13th 2014 the present day Hiro was destined to become trapped, "future" Hiro, having just been freed, was destined to come back and take Nathan and Malina back 15 years prior. So essentially there wouldn't be a first or second June 13th, it'd be the only one. (Admin (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2015 (EDT))
  • I think it works both by predestination/concurrence of the timelines and also the sequential timelines point of view. The Hiro that said he had not time-traveled in ages was the original Hiro that becomes trapped in Evernow, while the Hiro that returns from Evernow and time-travels into the past is the one to take baby Nathan (Tommy) and Malina back into the past in the current timeline. In a timeline that isn't shown where Hiro has yet to return from Evernow, it's possible someone else takes baby Nathan and Malina back into the past... perhaps present-day Noah/Angela got one of the employees of Renautas that was using Hiro's recently acquired ability to help in the first timeline where Noah had not yet time-traveled to the past. Primatech could have had people on the inside and/or other time-travelers.--MiamiVolts (talk) 12:22, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
    • I'm not so sure about predestination, but I do think we've been watching the "new" timeline all along. Molly knew Noah had to go back in time: "If I tell you, you won't go back and then we're all dead anyway." - Josh (talk/contribs) 13:07, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
      • I agree with Josh about watching only the "new" timeline. There is a point when the Evernow-freed Hiro fights with some of the Harris clones, and Hiro appears to stop time and then pop in and out of frozen time a few times. I think this is showing Hiro as trying to find a way to defeat Harris due to the time ripples. I imagine that in the offscreen time, he tries different methods to stop the Harris clones and succeeds, only still to fail to stop all the bombs and/or to cause a worse problem, so Hiro then comes back and stops himself. I think it's just unfortunate that Hiro's outfit wasn't noticeably altered from fighting in between these time jumps so that it would be more clear, but as far as we know Hiro cannot "sense" the butterflies his ability causes without actually having experienced them.--MiamiVolts (talk) 15:01, 30 October 2015 (EDT)
        • Heroes has always had inconsistent and paradoxical time travel, but we can somewhat follow what happened here. In timeline one: The twins are still babies, Renautas probably catches them. Someone, we don't know who, maybe Noah, rescues Hiro. Hiro goes back in time to stop Renautas. Time line two: similar to what we saw in June 13th, Part One, but possibly with past Noah. Hiro takes the twins back into the past. Timeline three: The twins grow up in secret. Past Noah is with the baby twins. After Hiro leaves, past Noah has his memory wiped. This is the timeline we see. Noah goes with Hiro this time. Timeline four: The one we are now in (actually several more because of " butterflies" but there is no major change). -Lөvөl 20:50, 30 October 2015 (EDT)


Dahlia has been shown only able to manipulate time, imo she should be removed from this article and an article just for Time Manipulation should be created. --Snow Leapord (talk) 14:20, 24 November 2015 (EST)