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Fan Creation talk:Women in Refrigerators

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Women not on the list

Just a side list I thought I should add (maybe for future reference?):

It's amazing how skewed these lists are - and how many women on the list above are very very minor players. Hmm. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:29, 11 January 2007 (EST)

OK, I think we should separate the list into first-class refrigirator women, and the more fuzzy cases. Charlie is the prime example. She had absolutely no point except to die to Hiro could become a Real Man (I loved the arc, but I can't deny the sereotype it fulfills). Eden's stepmother just is a dead woman, but she doesn't nearly fulfill the criteria as well as Charlie and a few others. Cuardin 11:45, 12 January 2007 (EST)

  • OK, I wrote up a Men in Refrigerators page which shows how I see the * in Refrigerators phenomenon. Unless someone objects, I want to format this page in the same way. - Cuardin 13:01, 12 January 2007 (EST)
    • I believe when Gail Simone started her list, it was very much not to be a commentary or a judgment or anything, but just "an observation, draw your own conclusions". Obviously it has implications for our society. It's dangerous if we try to analyze, categorize, or somehow make judgments based on this list, especially in our wiki. I wouldn't separate the list (keeping in line with Gail Simone's original list) - I don't want to speak for Hardvice, but I'm sure he was just cataloguing similar instances, in essence adding to Simone's list. I'd just be careful if we try to interject our thoughts or judgments too much on the list. I think it stands as a pretty good testimony of - well, of whatever people want/need to make of it. - RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:23, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Comparing to Men in Refrigerators

I notice that the list of Men is specifically restricted to men who are victimized as part of another character's story arc. The Women's list is not so restricted, merely listing women who suffer as a "plot device". Is that intentional? The "patient zero" for this concept is the girlfriend of Green Lantern, who was victimized as part of his story arc. Many characters, male and female, become victims as part of their own story arcs, although the nature of their suffering may be unbalanced in some fashion. I'm just wondering if we're creating the illusion of more disparity than actually exists by limiting how we put people on these lists. Given the number of men who have died or been injured in the Niki/Jessica storyline and the fairly even distribution of victims in the Sylar storyline, I'm not sure I see significant sexual discrimination in the body count. --Ted C 16:20, 12 January 2007 (EST)

Discussion

The list is probably a good commentary on how our society in general views the sexes. When something bad happens to a man, he's expected to endure it and come out stronger. When something bad happens to a woman, a man is expected to go to her rescue. Audiences react more strongly to victimization of women than victimization of men. You see this disparity play out in virtually all entertainment, not just comics and comic-related shows or movies. --Ted C 11:56, 12 January 2007 (EST)

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